Dragon Ball Super Strength Discussion Thread

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

Part of the manga confusion seems to stem from Jiren surpassing Belmod. In the manga Jiren was stated to only surpass Belmod in battle power. It seemed to single out battle power as if there were areas that Belmod surpassed Jiren in. A God could defeat Jiren with Destruction techniques in the manga. Based on this interview Broly seems to surpass a God of Destruction in their entirety unlike Jiren whom only surpasses them in pure battle power. In the anime it's stated that Belmod can't defeat Jiren at all, so his superiority is unconditional. Furthermore UI is treated as the pinnacle of God techniques while in the manga it's simply just another God technique.

There's 2 explanations on Broly's placement:

1. He simply isn't taken into account and is considered a transcendent being due to his "stronger than Beerus" status.

2. He can't control his power as stated at the end of the movie, thus doesn't have access to the power that put him above Beerus. Sorta like UI not being considered part of Goku's power before the Moro arc. Thus Granola's wish is given more weight. Peak Broly is what Goku has room to surpass but it doesn't exist anymore.

SSB Gogeta(Broly Movie)>Broly(LSSJ)>Beerus(Hakai)>=<Belmod(Hakai)>UI Goku(Granolah Arc; Full Accuracy)=God Vegeta(Hakai)>Angel Moro(Stable)>UI Goku(Moro Arc)>Granola>Angel/Planet Moro(Unstable)>UI Goku(Granolah Arc; Decreased Accuracy)>UI Goku(TOP)>Moro 73>Jiren>SSB Vegito(FT Arc)>=Beerus>=<Belmod>God Vegeta>Moro>SSBE Vegeta(Granolah Arc)>Current Broly(Can no longer access LSSJ)

[Block88]

Part of the manga confusion seems to stem from Jiren surpassing Belmod. In the manga Jiren was stated to only surpass Belmod in battle power. It seemed to single out battle power as if there were areas that Belmod surpassed Jiren in. A God could defeat JIren with Destruction techniques in the manga. Based on this interview Broly seems to surpass a God of Destruction in their entirety unlike Jiren whom only surpasses them in pure battle power. In the anime it's stated that Belmod can't defeat Jiren at all, so his superiority is unconditional. Furthermore UI is treated as the pinnacle of God techniques while in the manga it's simply just another God technique.

There's 2 explanations on Broly's placement:

1. He simply isn't taken into account and is considered a transcendent being due to his "stronger than Beerus" status.

2. He can't control his power as stated at the end of the movie, thus doesn't have access to the power that put him above Beerus. Sorta like UI not being considered part of Goku's power before the Moro arc. Thus Granola's wish is given more weight. Peak Broly is what Goku has room to surpass but it doesn't exist anymore.

SSB Gogeta(Broly Movie)>Broly(LSSJ)>Beerus(Hakai)>=<Belmod(Hakai)>UI Goku(Granolah Arc; Full Accuracy)=God Vegeta(Hakai)>Angel Moro(Stable)>UI Goku(Moro Arc)>Granola>Angel/Planet Moro(Unstable)>UI Goku(Granolah Arc; Decreased Accuracy)>Moro 73>Jiren>SSB Vegito(FT Arc)>=Beerus>=<Belmod>God Vegeta>Moro>SSBE Vegeta(Granolah Arc)>Current Broly(Can no longer access LSSJ)

That's like the only way to make sense of it

[Koitsukai]

But Toyo literally finished the interview providing the podium for the strongest in U7, why people keep overlooking that? did Broly move to U6? is he no longer a mortal? his FP is still his, it would make no sense to pretend he is just SSB level now, and Goku took his FP into account when he deemed Moro the strongest. And Granola surpassed all of that (and Moro73, and UI Goku) after he got his wish granted.

How can Granola be weaker than previous arc Goku, was he trolled by Toronbo then? if all of this stems from the comparison in the Broly movie, then it's time to accept that quote has become less and less reliable. If it ever was reliable at all. Pretty much everything after that quote, implied Goku was wrong.

And again, Uchida admitted he has no "power" in the meetings with Toyo and Tori, his mention of Broly makes no sense when Toyo was talking about the masters (Beerus, Whis, Daishinkan) and Uchida mentioned somebody with just brute strenght, and he pronounced his name at the very same time Toyo was pronouncing "Daishinkan".

[Marz]

SSB Gogeta(Broly Movie)>Broly(LSSJ)>Beerus(Hakai)>=<Belmod(Hakai)>UI Goku(Granolah Arc; Full Accuracy)=God Vegeta(Hakai)>Angel Moro(Stable)>UI Goku(Moro Arc)>Granola>Angel/Planet Moro(Unstable)>UI Goku(Granolah Arc; Decreased Accuracy)>UI Goku(TOP)>Moro 73>Jiren>SSB Vegito(FT Arc)>=Beerus>=<Belmod>God Vegeta>Moro>SSBE Vegeta(Granolah Arc)>Current Broly(Can no longer access LSSJ)

Even if you want to consider that Granola MUI Goku (full accuracy) is stronger than Granola (which we still don't know), at the very least Granola SHOULD be stronger than Moro MUI Goku, since the wish was made two months after Goku defeated Moro when he was already able to use the technique on command. His placement there makes no sense.

And there's nothing to suggest that Belmod is in such a high spot. It's a fact that he's already been vastly surpassed in terms of power, and we don't know if like Beerus he possesses a level of mastery with Hakai to place him above the current top tiers. So far only Beerus is in this spot (and maybe Quitela).

About Broly, I've already expressed my disagreement (and his supposed position placed by Uchida contradicts the manga)

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

But Toyo literally finished the interview providing the podium for the strongest in U7, why people keep overlooking that? did Broly move to U6? is he no longer a mortal? his FP is still his, it would make no sense to pretend he is just SSB level now, and Goku took his FP into account when he deemed Moro the strongest. And Granola surpassed all of that (and Moro73, and UI Goku) after he got his wish granted.

How can Granola be weaker than previous arc Goku, was he trolled by Toronbo then? if all of this stems from the comparison in the Broly movie, then it's time to accept that quote has become less and less reliable. If it ever was reliable at all. Pretty much everything after that quote, implied Goku was wrong.

And again, Uchida admitted he has no "power" in the meetings with Toyo and Tori, his mention of Broly makes no sense when Toyo was talking about the masters (Beerus, Whis, Daishinkan) and Uchida mentioned somebody with just brute strenght, and he pronounced his name at the very same time Toyo was pronouncing "Daishinkan".

If Broly is still someone that Goku hasn't surpassed but Goku, Vegeta and Granola are stated to be top 3, then Broly is obviously excluded just like Beerus and Whis are. The point being that Broly's superiority can obviously be reconciled and if you want to come to the correct conclusion you don't pick and choose whatever you want to take into account. The Moro comparison can also be worked around. Moro can be the toughest foe for various reasons like his magic, how he nearly killed the heroes multiple times, how he bounced back multiple times from the brink of defeat, etc. Pure Boo in the manga was called the most formidable foe that Goku ever faced despite Goku facing far stronger individuals after that point.

Here's the thing about Granolah's wish. Even though he wished to be the strongest, there are still loopholes around that. UI Goku and God Vegeta are stated to be on the same level in the interview. Granola isn't necessarily above FP UI Goku. Goku still lost to Granola and that is because of Goku's inability to use UI to it's full potential, thus Goku can't claim the spot as strongest. Granola's ability to exploit UI Goku's weakness makes him the strongest. It isn't just about pure battle power. Broly can't control his power. He can't claim that spot either. But his peak power that he used in the movie is a benchmark for Goku.

Even if you want to consider that Granola MUI Goku (full accuracy) is stronger than Granola (which we still don't know), at the very least Granola SHOULD be stronger than Moro MUI Goku, since the wish was made two months after Goku defeated Moro when he was already able to use the technique on command. His placement there makes no sense.

And there's nothing to suggest that Belmod is in such a high spot. It's a fact that he's already been vastly surpassed in terms of power, and we don't know if like Beerus he possesses a level of mastery with Hakai to place him above the current top tiers. So far only Beerus is in this spot (and maybe Quitela).

About Broly, I've already expressed my disagreement (and his supposed position placed by Uchida contradicts the manga)

No reason for Granola being above Moro Arc Goku. Granola would beat Moro arc UI the same way he beat him in the Granolah Arc, which is due to exploiting a weakness in UI. Being the strongest isn't just about pure battle power.

Belmod was stated to be surpassed in pure battle power, not overall. All of the Gods are on the same level as shown during the battle royal. Beerus and Quitela merely edged out everyone else while still taking an extreme amount of damage.

[Marz]

No reason for Granola being above Moro Arc Goku. Granola would beat Moro arc UI the same way he beat him in the Granolah Arc, which is due to exploiting a weakness in UI. Being the strongest isn't just about pure battle power.

The scaling is about power, so of course that's the main thing. Granola at the very least is stronger than Moro UI Goku, that's a fact. You might want to make a case for post training Goku but none of that is sure yet. And since MUI can be defeated with raw power, Granola is above.

Belmod was stated to be surpassed in pure battle power, not overall. All of the Gods are on the same level as shown during the battle royal. Beerus and Quitela merely edged out everyone else while still taking an extreme amount of damage.

Belmod being trumped in terms of battle power is all we know, so anything beyond that is headcanon. He played dead during the most crucial part of the fight between the Gods of Destruction, so he didn't show anything to give him the edge against other Gods. Even Quitela said he knew the only ones left would be him and Beerus.

If you want to make a case for Belmod, you would have to do the same for all the other Gods who use the Destruction technique, and that's totally headcanon territory. The only one up there is Beerus. The battle royal as other people said here shouldn't be used to measure the their level, since it's not a 1 vs 1 fair contest, gods can use all kinds of dirty tactics to beat the others

[Koitsukai]

If Broly is still someone that Goku hasn't surpassed but Goku, Vegeta and Granola are stated to be top 3, then Broly is obviously excluded just like Beerus and Whis are. The point being that Broly's superiority can obviously be reconciled and if you want to come to the correct conclusion you don't pick and choose whatever you want to take into account. The Moro comparison can also be worked around. Moro can be the toughest foe for various reasons like his magic, how he nearly killed the heroes multiple times, how he bounced back multiple times from the brink of defeat, etc. Pure Boo in the manga was called the most formidable foe that Goku ever faced despite Goku facing far stronger individuals after that point.

Here's the thing about Granolah's wish. Even though he wished to be the strongest, there are still loopholes around that. UI Goku and God Vegeta are stated to be on the same level in the interview. Granola isn't necessarily above FP UI Goku. Goku still lost to Granola and that is because of Goku's inability to use UI to it's full potential, thus Goku can't claim the spot as strongest. Granola's ability to exploit UI Goku's weakness makes him the strongest. It isn't just about pure battle power. Broly can't control his power. He can't claim that spot either.

But who says Broly has yet to be surpassed by Goku? the editor that admitted to have pretty much 0 power in their meetings and would contradict what the manga established? even promotional material put Goku on top of the food chain. Whis even said nobody in the universe is on their level and he sure knows Broly's FP.

Moro was deemed the toughest due to his strenght, not because it was such a long arc. The context is clear, that's why Goku mentioned if he ever trained. There is no way around that, not with that context. They were talking about power, not about the arc or how many breaks Moro seemed to get.

Broly's power even without access to it (he probably has access, he only hasn't gotten the chance to activate it, it's just power, not a technique you need to master like UI) should still count as the threshold Granola needs to surpass to be the top dog... otherwise Toronbo is just doing his job wrong. Broly is still alive and nothing prevents him from powering up, he might not be able to wield it properly, but he is not forbidden or restrained to do so.

It's just too crazy to try and leave Broly out of the universal list for some arbitrary reason. Toyo was clear as day, Goku, Vegeta and Granola are the gold, silver and bronze medal winners in U7. The manga supports this.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

The scaling is about power, so of course that's the main thing. Granola at the very least is stronger than Moro UI Goku, that's a fact. You might want to make a case for post training Goku but none of that is sure yet. And since MUI can be defeated with raw power, Granola is above.

No it isn't. Otherwise Granolah would've just one shotted UI Goku from the jump instead of waiting for an accuracy drop and the only training that Goku did was learning how to use UI in his lower states. There is no point between Granola making the wish to when he fights Goku where Goku improves the Silver haired form. So even at the time of the wish he wasn't stronger than Goku's full power UI. So Granola is the strongest because he can exploit a weakened UI and defeat Goku regardless of not having a raw power advantage.

Belmod being trumped in terms of battle power is all we know, so anything beyond that is headcanon. He played dead during the most crucial part of the fight between the Gods of Destruction, so he didn't show anything to give him the edge against other Gods. Even Quitela said he knew the only ones left would be him and Beerus.

If you want to make a case for Belmod, you would have to do the same for all the other Gods who use the Destruction technique, and that's totally headcanon territory. The only one up there is Beerus. The battle royal as other people said here shouldn't be used to measure the their level, since it's not a 1 vs 1 fair contest, gods can use all kinds of dirty tactics to beat the others

There was no dirty tricks. It was a slugfest from what was shown. Everyone fought everyone and Beerus & Quitela simply edged everyone else out. All of the Gods are on the same tier, that isn't debatable.

But who says Broly has yet to be surpassed by Goku? the editor that admitted to have pretty much 0 power in their meetings and would contradict what the manga established? even promotional material put Goku on top of the food chain. Whis even said nobody in the universe is on their level and he sure knows Broly's FP.

What do these meetings have to do with Uchida's statement though? When Toriyama, Toyotaro and Uchida gather to determine the course of the story, yeah he probably doesn't have a lot of say so. That doesn't have anything to do with his statement about Broly. He made the Granolah arc with Toyotaro, he would know this information.

Moro was deemed the toughest due to his strenght, not because it was such a long arc. The context is clear, that's why Goku mentioned if he ever trained. There is no way around that, not with that context. They were talking about power, not about the arc or how many breaks Moro seemed to get.

If Moro had trained then he would've gave everyone even more trouble than he already had. That goes without saying and doesn't explicitly support that the statement can't be talking about anything else other than raw power. Again Pure Boo was Goku's most formidable opponent up to the TOP even though he wasn't the strongest.

Broly's power even without access to it (he probably has access, he only hasn't gotten the chance to activate it, it's just power, not a technique you need to master like UI) should still count as the threshold Granola needs to surpass to be the top dog... otherwise Toronbo is just doing his job wrong. Broly is still alive and nothing prevents him from powering up, he might not be able to wield it properly, but he is not forbidden or restrained to do so.

It's just too crazy to try and leave Broly out of the universal list for some arbitrary reason. Toyo was clear as day, Goku, Vegeta and Granola are the gold, silver and bronze medal winners in U7. The manga supports this.

If Broly can't access SSJ/LSSJ at will then it doesn't matter. Can he pop into these forms whenever he wants? No he can't. Because he isn't training at all. He's just living a normal life with Cheelai and Lemo. That's why Goku wanted to train with him which he's never actually hinted to do after the the movie ends. Was UI counted as part of Goku's power before the Moro arc? No it wasn't. This is the same concept.

[Xeno Goku Black]

Having seen the video it seems Toyotaro does have it so that it goes Beerus > Granolah > Goku ~ Vegeta > Anyone else.

Which wouldn't be all that surprising, you could probably gather as much from the manga as it is.

The other guy mentioned Broly and he was shown on screen but Toyotaro didn't mention him so I wouldn't put much stock into that. He is obviously the next strongest in the universe though currently especially with Moro dead.

[Koitsukai]

What do these meetings have to do with Uchida's statement though? When Toriyama, Toyotaro and Uchida gather to determine the course of the story, yeah he probably doesn't have a lot of say so. That doesn't have anything to do with his statement about Broly. He made the Granolah arc with Toyotaro, he would know this information.


If Moro had trained then he would've gave everyone even more trouble than he already had. That goes without saying and doesn't explicitly support that the statement can't be talking about anything else other than raw power.


If Broly can't access SSJ/LSSJ at will then it doesn't matter. Can he pop into these forms whenever he wants? No he can't. Because he isn't training at all. He's just living a normal life with Cheelai and Lemo. That's why Goku wanted to train with him which he's never actually hinted to do after the the movie ends. Was UI counted as part of Goku's power before the Moro arc? No it wasn't. This is the same concept.

What information? he namedropped Broly because he probably likes the character. His input or opinion are meaningless, if Toyotaro says Goku is number one, then Broly is not number one, no matter what the guy that works with him thinks or wants. He is not revealing secret information that Toyo is purposely withholding.

The context is clear, Goku is speaking about Moro's power, that's why they speak about training, they wouldn't be talking about training and improving oneself if Goku was talking about how long the arc was. I mean, come on. Even the phrasing isn't new to the franchise, there's a thread that proves TOUGHEST was used several times to say somebody is strong.

Who says he isn't training at all? we are in headcanon territory now. And it isn't the same concept, one is a godly technique not even the GoDs have, the other one is learning to turn SS and controlling the power. Definitely not the same concept, one needs a lot of particular training with angels, the other one is controlling SS. And again, who said that Broly cannot go crazy and reach that power again? he is not wearing a tiara like Z Broly.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

What information? he namedropped Broly because he probably likes the character. His input or opinion are meaningless, if Toyotaro says Goku is number one, then Broly is not number one, no matter what the guy that works with him thinks or wants. He is not revealing secret information that Toyo is purposely withholding.

Meaningless according to what? He's the editor of the manga. Do you know what an editor does? Goku, Vegeta and Granola are top 3 outside of everyone that they listed.

The context is clear, Goku is speaking about Moro's power, that's why they speak about training, they wouldn't be talking about training and improving oneself if Goku was talking about how long the arc was. I mean, come on. Even the phrasing isn't new to the franchise, there's a thread that proves TOUGHEST was used several times to say somebody is strong.

Just like Dende was talking about Boo's power when he called him the most formidable opponent that Goku had ever fought even as late in the story as the TOP?

Who says he isn't training at all? we are in headcanon territory now. And it isn't the same concept, one is a godly technique not even the GoDs have, the other one is learning to turn SS and controlling the power. Definitely not the same concept, one needs a lot of particular training with angels, the other one is controlling SS. And again, who said that Broly cannot go crazy and reach that power again? he is not wearing a tiara like Z Broly.

There's no implication that Broly trains. In the movie Paragus states that Broly's training was sparring with him, then Frieza says that Paragus is too weak for it to even matter. He's a combat inexperienced Saiyan that doesn't know how to train properly in the first place. And in his natural state, he's peaceful, doing nothing other than the bare necessities to live.

[Koitsukai]

What information? he namedropped Broly because he probably likes the character. His input or opinion are meaningless, if Toyotaro says Goku is number one, then Broly is not number one, no matter what the guy that works with him thinks or wants. He is not revealing secret information that Toyo is purposely withholding.

Meaningless according to what? He's the editor of the manga. Do you know what an editor does? Goku, Vegeta and Granola are top 3 outside of everyone that they listed.

The context is clear, Goku is speaking about Moro's power, that's why they speak about training, they wouldn't be talking about training and improving oneself if Goku was talking about how long the arc was. I mean, come on. Even the phrasing isn't new to the franchise, there's a thread that proves TOUGHEST was used several times to say somebody is strong.

Just like Dende was talking about Boo's power when he called him the most formidable opponent that Goku had ever fought even as late in the story as the TOP?

Who says he isn't training at all? we are in headcanon territory now. And it isn't the same concept, one is a godly technique not even the GoDs have, the other one is learning to turn SS and controlling the power. Definitely not the same concept, one needs a lot of particular training with angels, the other one is controlling SS. And again, who said that Broly cannot go crazy and reach that power again? he is not wearing a tiara like Z Broly.

There's no implication that Broly trains. In the movie Paragus states that Broly's training was sparring with him, then Frieza says that Paragus is too weak for it to even matter. He's a combat inexperienced Saiyan that doesn't know how to train properly in the first place.

That's why I keep telling you that this particular editor has, according to himself, not me, no input on the story. Definitely no input when it comes to who is the strongest.
Doesn't matter what Dende said, this particular context is clear as day, "you are the strongest, have you ever trained? you could be even stronger".
And what happened before the movie doesn't matter, for all we know Broly might be under Freeza now, but like I said, that would be headcanon territory.
We also have Whis saying he doesn't know anybody in the universe stronger than Goku, a perfect opportunity for your headcanon to become official: "not right now, but Broly's FP was still far from you" could've worked, but that never happened.

I feel like I'm stating what the show has already said perfectly, so I'm done here. We have a dragon saying so, statements and even Toyo ranking them. I need to say nothing else.

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

That's why I keep telling you that this particular editor has, according to himself, not me, no input on the story. Definitely no input when it comes to who is the strongest.

That's not what Uchida said. He simply stated that when in meetings with himself, Toriyama and Toyotaro, Toriyama's ideas hold the most weight, Toyotaro follows his lead for the most part and Uchida has little input. When not with Toriyama, Uchida's role is as normal for an editor.

Doesn't matter what Dende said, this particular context is clear as day, "you are the strongest, have you ever trained? you could be even stronger".
And what happened before the movie doesn't matter, for all we know Broly might be under Freeza now, but like I said, that would be headcanon territory.
We also have Whis saying he doesn't know anybody in the universe stronger than Goku, a perfect opportunity for your headcanon to become official: "not right now, but Broly's FP was still far from you" could've worked, but that never happened.

I feel like I'm stating what the show has already said perfectly, so I'm done here. We have a dragon saying so, statements and even Toyo ranking them. I need to say nothing else.

You have the guy that edits Toyotaro's work saying that Broly has not been surpassed. The meetings with Toriyama are irrelevant to what you're claiming. You reconcile statements no matter how contradictory they seem to you unless there is no other option. It is not your place to say what does and doesn't count.

[Hugo Boss]

It’s not like Broly’s mention is supposed to be a strong indication, since not only Toyotaro doesn’t roll with it, but they also strictly make references to plot points that only debuted on the manga, which leaves no doubt about the gods’ position in this arc, but ignores Broly completely, despite he being a Saiyan.

Toyotaro’s ranking is not supposed to be super definitive either, as the story is still hinting at Gas playing a major role later. I recommend reading Herms comments about it, as he summarized the controversial stuff very well.

Besides, it’s possible that Uchida just considered Broly a possible opponent for Goku in the future. If he gets involved in some way, he has the ability to grow stronger in a very fast pace, so this could be explored. It would be very weird to forget him after the success his movie did, so this can happen. But this doesn’t mean the Broly they fought before Moro is already at that level, according to the logic Granolah arc is operating under.

[LightBing]

See this is the problem with following other sources be them guides, animes, video games or people associated with Dragon Ball.

If Uchida thinks Broly is stronger, he clearly didn't influence Toyotarõ to put it in the manga. Only what's there matters.

I don't like it that much and even tried to find a way out in-universe for Broly to be an exception(can't control his power) but as it stands, it's Toyotarõ word(the guy who's writing this) 1st Granolah, 2nd/3rd Goku or/and Vegeta.

[DBZ Macky]

But who says Broly has yet to be surpassed by Goku? the editor that admitted to have pretty much 0 power in their meetings and would contradict what the manga established?

Not even 0 if we are to take his word for it, Uchida actually stated that he has a negative power level (-100) when it comes to the story.

When it comes to Dragon Ball Super, the original story is Toriyama-sensei‘s.
So I’ll basically be sitting down for various discussions with Toriyama-sensei and Toyotaro-sensei. The idea isn’t to get to point of being able to say, “We’re definitely going with this!” We’re just going to be… narrowing down. We’ll be paring down from what were an initial ten or so choices to about three. This is actually the first time we’ve had to narrow down from so many different options. So we should wind up being able to condense things down into a really interesting story.
Power balance in our meetings? One-hundred million (Toriyama), ten million (Toyotarou) and -100 (me, Victory Uchida, the editor)

I guess that means Uchida saying Broly's stronger than Goku is the opposite of what's actually the case, thereby confirming that Goku has indeed surpassed Broly

[Koitsukai]

But who says Broly has yet to be surpassed by Goku? the editor that admitted to have pretty much 0 power in their meetings and would contradict what the manga established?

Not even 0 if we are to take his word for it, Uchida actually stated that he has a negative power level (-100) when it comes to the story.

When it comes to Dragon Ball Super, the original story is Toriyama-sensei‘s.
So I’ll basically be sitting down for various discussions with Toriyama-sensei and Toyotaro-sensei. The idea isn’t to get to point of being able to say, “We’re definitely going with this!” We’re just going to be… narrowing down. We’ll be paring down from what were an initial ten or so choices to about three. This is actually the first time we’ve had to narrow down from so many different options. So we should wind up being able to condense things down into a really interesting story.
Power balance in our meetings? One-hundred million (Toriyama), ten million (Toyotarou) and -100 (me, Victory Uchida, the editor)

I guess that means Uchida saying Broly's stronger than Goku is the opposite of what's actually the case, thereby confirming that Goku has indeed surpassed Broly

Yeah, which is also clear in the interview when Toyo literally does not acknowledge his comment. Like a teacher continuing to speak when some student says something dumb.
Also, there's a reason why Toyo is the one being interviewed, and not the other way around, right?

[Xeno Goku Black]

Considering that Golden Frieza lasted an hour with Broly whereas Moro effortlessly beat the tar out of Ultra Instinct Goku and Blue Evolved Vegeta who would bother be much stronger then it's not hard to imagine Moro being stronger than Broly.

Granted that wasn't Broly at his strongest.

[HeroR]

Considering that Golden Frieza lasted an hour with Broly whereas Moro effortlessly beat the tar out of Ultra Instinct Goku and Blue Evolved Vegeta who would bother be much stronger then it's not hard to imagine Moro being stronger than Broly.

Granted that wasn't Broly at his strongest.

Broly in general has weak feats. Toppo has better feats than him. Same with saying Broly had to be stronger than a Super Saiyan God Gogeta because Gogeta went Blue when Broly at full power barely knocked the wind out of Super Saiyan Gogeta in three hits when someone like Super Saiyan 2 Gohan two-touch Cell with a smaller power difference.

That and you really can’t stick the scaling of the Broly movie into the manga. Because Broly is comparable to Beerus in the movie, why have a line if it was utterly meaningless at the end of the film, while the Super manga Beerus would slapped the shit out of Broly. In fact, outside of the bonus Broly might as well not exists in the manga.

[DBZ Macky]

My final verdict on the Broly & Beerus thing is this:

1. Beerus is physically far weaker than Goku but is indeed still "stronger" than the latter because of his Hakai and Ultra Instinct (and perhaps something more that we're not aware of yet?).

2. Broly is stronger than Goku now because he got a near-death power-up after his beatdown, but since the universe actually hasn't seen LSS Broly (Post Zenkai) it doesn't count for Granolah's wish or Toyotaro's statement about Goku, Vegeta and Granolah being the the first, second and third strongest mortals in the universe. Yeah, this is kinda headcanon-y but it doesn't contradict anything and you just know Broly isn't coming back till 2025 so let's just assume this until then (Koyama will be happy).

Also just gonna randomly predict that Goku will actually surpass Beerus officially in 2023 since that's like the 10 year anniversary of Battle of Gods.