"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[DSB]

Co-signed on the localization prediction shout-out. I think it's a great choice, all things considered.

Fucking hell. This is worse than what i thought the leaks was making out to be.

I'm done. I'm out. Guy somehow changes his eye structure mid fight and somehow thats enough to win. Even Mary Sue would blush. And new form loses the chapter it debuted. thats unprecedented.

Absolute bullshit. The average Porn has better writing than this garbage.

Then again, guy wrote DB AF. What else did i expect.

See you next month, then?

Nope. Last time i left i didnt come back until 3 arcs passed.

But keep being an elitist and keep making assumptions about others.

[PurestEvil]

Wow, so vegeta technically is not defeated this chapter! Gee, maybe all the outrage was a tad unwarranted, eh?!

But in all seriousness, my scattered thoughts:
-The action scenes are still phenomenal. I especially loved the moment when Vegeta kicked through Granolah’s ki shield. Toyo is keeping it up!
-Why did Vegeta try to Hakai the planet? He would have likely died in the process. Pretty dumb IMO
-“Ultra Ego”...the name definitely fits Vegeta very well. I am interested to see it’s properties more exhaustively later this arc.
-Granolah has ZENKAI POWAA now? I mean, it makes sense, but I hope this does not totally nullify Vegeta’s comments about Granolah’s unearned power...
-Oatmeel has been picked up by a ship...It doesn’t seem to be the heeters, since Oil is on foot and the other three are looking for DBs...Monaito was spectating from afar...maybe it was a SOLDIER OF FREEZA!
-Speaking of the heeters, we are now even closer to their plans being disclosed. I REALLY hope that’s a thing next chapter.

So yeah, it was an intriguing chapter with some cool moments. Vegeta got to shine again for a bit (before getting overwhelmed), but I still have doubts about Granolah’s character arc. I honestly hope he gets his ass kicked soon.
I give it a solid 7/10

[VegettoEX]

But keep being an elitist and keep making assumptions about others.

You've tossed this word out multiple times now. Can you define what exactly it is you think "elitist" means, and how it relates to anything here? Genuinely curious. Like for real genuinely curious and I would love for you to respond in good faith here.

[DSB]

But keep being an elitist and keep making assumptions about others.

Can you define what exactly it is you think "elitist" means, and how it relates to anything here? Genuinely curious. Like for real genuinely curious and I would love for you to respond in good faith here.

you run this website and you and many that follow you think you know better than the rest and somehow anyone who criticizes anything or doesnt have the view you people have are worse and bad people etc.

You are no better than me. You dont get to say or maki assumptions about me and my idea of DB.

That next month bs is a dead giveaway. you think you know others, but its clear you have zero idea about people. Maybe go outside more. You and many others like you clearly need to see that different people have different ideas and creators arent gods.

[DiscountDabi]

I'll be the first to say I jumped to conclusions.

And I'm so glad I'm wrong. So Vegeta didn't necessarily lose, He's just on the backfoot which is fine. The fight was quite good. Vegeta getting cocky and taking too much damage is good. And the context for Vegeta trying to "Blow up the planet" is good since it was just like what he did with Cell trying to trick him into not dodging.

I like Granolah getting fed up with Oatmeal being reasonable and throwing him away. I'm really curious where that goes.

Overall pretty good chapter.

And it also (Kinda) confirmed a theory of mine from a few months ago

Bit of a plus one on my earlier comment, but if simply erasing Matter can create such a powerful explosive force…then what if you used Hakai on Ki.

Perhaps the destruction of one’s own Ki could release an enormous amount of force, something the users own Ki couldn’t do on its own.

And this is kinda what we see towards the end of the chapter.

Spoiler:

So, we'll see if it goes anywhere.

[Xeogran]

Wow, so vegeta technically is not defeated this chapter! Gee, maybe all the outrage was a tad unwarranted, eh?!

Perhaps, but I doubt he's winning this fight on his own. This was his spotlight chapter and it ended on Granolah having the advantage. Expecting Goku to heal himself just in time to save Vegeta next month.

[rolmanus]

Co-signed on the localization prediction shout-out. I think it's a great choice, all things considered.

Fucking hell. This is worse than what i thought the leaks was making out to be.

I'm done. I'm out. Guy somehow changes his eye structure mid fight and somehow thats enough to win. Even Mary Sue would blush. And new form loses the chapter it debuted. thats unprecedented.

Absolute bullshit. The average Porn has better writing than this garbage.

Then again, guy wrote DB AF. What else did i expect.

See you next month, then?

Nope. Last time i left i didnt come back until 3 arcs passed.

But keep being an elitist and keep making assumptions about others.

If you'll leave an email for me, I'll just notify you when Vegeta wins, so you don't have to come back just for this :3

[Jack Bz]

Cool chapter for sure. Vegeta's new form has interesting mechanics: it seems that he gets stronger by taking damage, but damage is still damage at the end of the day so it will wear him down eventually. He probably got the wrong balance this time.

There's also the interesting tidbit that this is the first time Vegeta has used the form. Unlike ultra instinct, which is awakened by being calm in the presence of a strong emotional reaction, ultra ego is activated by intensity of a battle. So maybe Vegeta won't even be able to use it in a low stakes fight?

Seems like the plan is for Goku to join the fight, have all 3 of them be worn out, and then Gas comes in post-wish to defeat them all. But I bet Oatmil is gonna be a spanner in the works of that plan.

And new form loses the chapter it debuted. thats unprecedented.

Forgotten about super saiyan god I take it? And SSBe? And even ultra instinct? Not to mention that this fight is by no means over.

[PurestEvil]

And this is kinda what we see towards the end of the chapter.

Spoiler:

So, we'll see if it goes anywhere.

I still feel iffy about Vegeta doing the Hakai Ball, but that page was amazing. Very clever uses of Decompression, all around this chapter.

[rolmanus]

Seems like the plan is for Goku to join the fight, have all 3 of them be worn out, and then Gas comes in post-wish to defeat them all. But I bet Oatmil is gonna be a spanner in the works of that plan.

This seems plausible. Though to be honest, the chapter ending with Vegeta losing is exactly the thing which makes me hope he might end up winning after all.

[Cipher]

So this is how Oatmeel becomes relevant on it's own.
Guess it's gonna find a new host... and there is a big chance that will be Seven-Three.

I haven't read the chapter yet, but saw a snippet of Oatmeel being tossed off, and while there is zero chance of this happening, an Oatmeel+Seven-Three combination being the final villain would be absolutely hilarious and now I really want it to come true.

Also that explosion page is great. Was already excited about the paneling in this one just based on the drafts.

[VegettoEX]

you run this website and you and many that follow you think you know better than the rest and somehow anyone who criticizes anything or doesnt have the view you people have are worse and bad people etc.

You are no better than me. You dont get to say or maki assumptions about me and my idea of DB.

That next month bs is a dead giveaway. you think you know others, but its clear you have zero idea about people. Maybe go outside more. You and many others like you clearly need to see that different people have different ideas and creators arent gods.

I haven't agreed with, disagreed with, or criticized a single thing about your views on the franchise. We welcome all thoughts, opinions, criticisms, praise, etc. Kanzenshuu doesn't make the series. We have no horse in the race whether you like it or not.

I actually can't care any less about this arc, myself. I don't talk about it because I don't like it and I don't have much interest in talking about things I don't like.

Here's the thing though, and none of these are "assumptions" about you or your opinions, because they're all on display for us: you're rude, you make scenes, and you've admitted to harassing an author. You're the cause of drama, and you're the troublemaker. You're not a victim of anything here.

So let's drop the charade and knock it off? Cool?

[capsulecorp]

Fun chapter but it'll probably read better once it's collected into a volume.

Two thoughts:

Vegeta's new form is a riff on SSJ3. It's hideously ugly, of course he's going to lose.

Stop crying about your favorite character and, if you plan on stopping reading DBS, just do it, you don't have to tell anyone. In fact, a good rule of thumb: if all you have to say is "x is bad", just keep it to yourself. Not because you don't have the right to do so! Just because.... it's boring and makes this thread tedious to read when it's full of whiny baby crying posts.

[Omgzord]

That wasn't as bad as I thought it gonna be. Vegeta didn't even "lose" technically

Although it so obvious where the story is going, Garnolah is gonna get backstabbed at the peak of his power.

I don't understand Vegeta's new form tho. Like why doesn't he dodge at all? Not dodging automatically like UI is one thing, but Vegeta is taking all this damage on purpose.

[PurestEvil]

That wasn't as bad as I thought it gonna be. Vegeta didn't even "lose" technically

Although it so obvious where the story is going, Garnolah is gonna get backstabbed at the peak of his power.

The heeters have made their plan quite clear for us...they are definitely gonna use the DB wish to ensure their scheme works.

[Sora Saiyan]

Well the battle went much better than expected. Vegeta and Granolah were much more equal than it appeared prior where it seemed Vegeta was dominating. Goku healing himself was interesting. Another note is i'm not happy about Granolah awakening this second eye, as I was sure that he had more abilities than he had any right having thanks to the wish which unlocked all of his latent potential and much more.

Hopefully Ultra Ego isn't completed yet, and we get to see more soon, and I'd love to see a Goku and Vegeta team up.

[TKA]

As expected, the context of the chapter explains everything. Vegeta lost because Granolah pulled a new power out, and that by default means he did better than Goku did. They both lost.

Irrelevant, though. I don't care about fisties and punchies much, and I know that the chapter making things make sense won't change the violently reactionary nature of this fandom, but it doesn't hurt to mention this, I guess.

As for my thoughts on the chapter... "Ultra Ego" was obvious the second Herms posted that stuff on twitter. I would've also gone with "Ultra Pride" because it's Vegeta and we love Vegeta's pride, don't we folks? Ultra Ego being the opposite of Ultra Instinct with a focus on overpowering your opponent with raw brutality is perfect for Vegeta, and is way more in line with his character from Day 1. Vegeta doesn't find creative solutions to problems; he isn't Goku. Goku figured out how to achieve Full Powered Super Saiyan by not training, but Vegeta went from the more taxing, more powerful form. This is good.

Writing-wise, I don't know if it's as good. How do you write this power? Every time Vegeta uses it, he will either automatically win or it somehow won't be effective. There's no room for anything in between, or any clever usages. It's the same problem with Ultra Instinct. Goku either dodges every attack or it is just ineffective. These are both binary abilities. But at least they have gimmicks instead of just being generic power boosts like all the other forms.

Right. My thoughts are a bit scattered after reading this. I think this chapter is a significant step down from last week's chapter, but it's very slowly explaining what being the strongest in the universe means. Granolah got more power to be able to match and exceed Vegeta. While the chapter doesn't spell it out with text, that's what happened. Now just explain the monkey's paw to the wish, por favor.

In a vacuum, fine chapter. Easily the most I've had to say about a chapter in what feels like a year. With the context of the arc around it, still thoroughly mediocre.

Finally, since I know wrestling fans are in this thread:

ALL EGO ETHAN VEGETA

See you next month, then?

You know it

But yeah, we got wrestling everyday of the week now y'all and it is all varieties of awesome ... tho some not so awesome.

I only watch non-WWE stuff, and I still have wrestling every day of the week. Sometimes multiple shows too. It's crazy out here.

I guess this is the part where we're supposed to argue over Twinkletoes Mcfingerbang as Jim Cornette calls him...but like I said, it's ultimately silly to get mad over a declining business.

Nah, I don't conversate with people who echo the talking points and derogatory statements of that racist, homophobe, Cornette.

[FortuneSSJ]

- Chapter 75-

Loved the fight!
Vegeta still didn't lose. Hopefully something less predictable happens.

I rathered "Ultra Will" instead of "Ultra Ego" but at least its named similarly to Ultra Instinct instead of something less catchy. It also fits Vegeta's character. The spanish version went with "Mega Instinct" and I think that's worse.

[Xeogran]

I don't understand Vegeta's new form tho. Like why doesn't he dodge at all? Not dodging automatically like UI is one thing, but Vegeta is taking all this damage on purpose.

Because it makes him stronger, while also making him damaged and more tired? I don't know how he can feel stronger like this, seems like a paradox.

[Omgzord]

Looks like the battle is not done yet? At least this is what the chapter says.

Also, judging by Vegeta's performance and his issues and the fact that this was compared to UI
I am willing to bet this is just a basic form similar to omen and Vegeta is yet to achieve the full thing.