Wasn't it just pure luck that his core survived? He fully expected to die. Blowing himself up again would be way too risky. Say that he only has a 1% chance of surviving, it's not worth it.Jord wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:29 amSmart post dude.Jack Bz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 1:35 pm Nothing about Cell really makes sense. He can survive his upper half being blown off despite that being where his nucleus is. He can make 7 creatures as strong as super saiyan grade 2s seemingly without using any energy. He loses stamina while fighting but for some reason blowing himself regenerates all of his stamina if he manages to survive (this is separate from being able to make use of zenkais). Gero was really just a genius I suppose. Between Cell and the androids having infinite stamina, he was basically capable of magic.
The whole Cell fight like the author was cheating the reader just to extend the fight. It was one BS cop-out after another.
I especially like your point about him blowing up. The guy should constantly blow himself up. No one could stop him and he gets stronger each time.
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Blowing up has never resolved anything in Dragon Ball. From Chiaotzu to Cell to Vegeta. He should take his chances.Polyphase Avatron wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:00 pmWasn't it just pure luck that his core survived? He fully expected to die. Blowing himself up again would be way too risky. Say that he only has a 1% chance of surviving, it's not worth it.Jord wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 11:29 amSmart post dude.Jack Bz wrote: ↑Sun Aug 22, 2021 1:35 pm Nothing about Cell really makes sense. He can survive his upper half being blown off despite that being where his nucleus is. He can make 7 creatures as strong as super saiyan grade 2s seemingly without using any energy. He loses stamina while fighting but for some reason blowing himself regenerates all of his stamina if he manages to survive (this is separate from being able to make use of zenkais). Gero was really just a genius I suppose. Between Cell and the androids having infinite stamina, he was basically capable of magic.
The whole Cell fight like the author was cheating the reader just to extend the fight. It was one BS cop-out after another.
I especially like your point about him blowing up. The guy should constantly blow himself up. No one could stop him and he gets stronger each time.
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Yeah, the issue here is you are looking at Cell Jrs. as if they were the same as Tien's multiform. Cell isn't dividing his power, he is using Piccolo's DNA, primarily King Piccolo's genetic touch, to create offspring. They are more like Drum and Cymbal of old than a division of Cell.
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I've already touched upon that but it seems a few others didn't read my posts.Mad Swami wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:28 pm Yeah, the issue here is you are looking at Cell Jrs. as if they were the same as Tien's multiform. Cell isn't dividing his power, he is using Piccolo's DNA, primarily King Piccolo's genetic touch, to create offspring. They are more like Drum and Cymbal of old than a division of Cell.
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Here's the exact information pertaining to the original creation process of offspring with Daimou:
The infinite energy generators poses an interesting rationale for Cell's lack of exhaustion but it seems awfully specialised for the generators when Cell is creating offspring but not to endow him with infinite stamina in general to optimise his performance in the function that Gero intended for him, namely assassinating Goku. What energy Daimou imparted to his creations seemed to have been fractional of his total amount if they could be dispensed with so easily by Goku who was deemed to be less than half of Daimou's strength when he was of advanced age.
To be frank, you could make the argument that the Cell Jrs would have been closer to Perfect Cell in strength individually than Tambourine or Cymbal were to the elderly Daimou. The evil Namekian didn't spawn nearly as many creatures as Cell did. If Cell can gestate them without the loss of any energy then there must have been a synthesised mechanism in his biology involving either cyborgs with their generators or an inherent biological resiliency. But again, the generators raises the question of why they would be used arbitrarily to facilitate Cell's well-being during procreation but not while he's in combat.
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To be frank, you could make the argument that the Cell Jrs would have been closer to Perfect Cell in strength individually than Tambourine or Cymbal were to the elderly Daimou. The evil Namekian didn't spawn nearly as many creatures as Cell did. If Cell can gestate them without the loss of any energy then there must have been a synthesised mechanism in his biology involving either cyborgs with their generators or an inherent biological resiliency. But again, the generators raises the question of why they would be used arbitrarily to facilitate Cell's well-being during procreation but not while he's in combat.
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my bad gtheherodjl wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:38 pmI've already touched upon that but it seems a few others didn't read my posts.Mad Swami wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 7:28 pm Yeah, the issue here is you are looking at Cell Jrs. as if they were the same as Tien's multiform. Cell isn't dividing his power, he is using Piccolo's DNA, primarily King Piccolo's genetic touch, to create offspring. They are more like Drum and Cymbal of old than a division of Cell.
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Like I said before, creating them could have shortened his lifespan, and we would never know because his lifespan is unknown. He seemed to think he was immortal and would never die from old age, but he could have easily have been wrong about that.
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Did Cell lose any stamina when fighting Goku? If yes, wouldn't having to regen half his body, plus any other injuries and wear and tear sustained during the fight be enough to slow him down.
Just keep in mind that, this topic has put more effort into this aspect Cell than the writer of the character. All these extra details about creatures that don't exist doesn't really help the story.
Also, Cell didn't create a thousand more of himself to potentially have to fight them over who's in charge.
Just keep in mind that, this topic has put more effort into this aspect Cell than the writer of the character. All these extra details about creatures that don't exist doesn't really help the story.
Also, Cell didn't create a thousand more of himself to potentially have to fight them over who's in charge.
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Deploy the headcanon
In-universe, I believe Cell has some sort of capsule corp type of tech inside of him. I'd imagine this is how he absorbs both 17 and 18 and keeps them in some sort of energy cages inside of his core...or one of his cores.
This allows him to draw on their "infinite energy". I'd imagine it also allows him to do a reverse and have little hoi poi capsules of Cell Jrs growing inside of him.
This lets me rectify why he doesn't seemingly get exhausted from spawning them.
In-universe, I believe Cell has some sort of capsule corp type of tech inside of him. I'd imagine this is how he absorbs both 17 and 18 and keeps them in some sort of energy cages inside of his core...or one of his cores.
This allows him to draw on their "infinite energy". I'd imagine it also allows him to do a reverse and have little hoi poi capsules of Cell Jrs growing inside of him.
This lets me rectify why he doesn't seemingly get exhausted from spawning them.
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He lost stamina, yes, but he had a senzu afterwards.Anonymous Friend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:24 pm Did Cell lose any stamina when fighting Goku? If yes, wouldn't having to regen half his body, plus any other injuries and wear and tear sustained during the fight be enough to slow him down.
Just keep in mind that, this topic has put more effort into this aspect Cell than the writer of the character. All these extra details about creatures that don't exist doesn't really help the story.
Also, Cell didn't create a thousand more of himself to potentially have to fight them over who's in charge.
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He surely exerted himself, but did he lose anything of note? We do see his roughed up parts get better.Koitsukai wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 2:38 pmHe lost stamina, yes, but he had a senzu afterwards.Anonymous Friend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:24 pm Did Cell lose any stamina when fighting Goku? If yes, wouldn't having to regen half his body, plus any other injuries and wear and tear sustained during the fight be enough to slow him down.
Just keep in mind that, this topic has put more effort into this aspect Cell than the writer of the character. All these extra details about creatures that don't exist doesn't really help the story.
Also, Cell didn't create a thousand more of himself to potentially have to fight them over who's in charge.
What I'm saying is that a senzu for Goku could have refreshed half his energy, but Cell might have only needed 5 or 10% refreshment.
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Cell's insane regen allows him to quickly recover from producing powerful offspring.
Or, just like Semi-Perfect Cell being able to regenerate into Perfect Cell because his body was adapted to that level of power, he can produce offspring with very little power, who quickly grow into their body's full power.
Either way, it's Namekian reproduction + enhanced regen.
Or, just like Semi-Perfect Cell being able to regenerate into Perfect Cell because his body was adapted to that level of power, he can produce offspring with very little power, who quickly grow into their body's full power.
Either way, it's Namekian reproduction + enhanced regen.
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This was touched upon earlier in the thread, but Daimao's offspring weakening him seemed to have been limited to the first few, done when he was old. After being restored to his prime, he popped out Drum, his strongest child until Junior, with no ill effects at all. Even with Junior, he managed to generate enough energy to create an offspring while he had a gigantic hole in his chest. I would just go with it not being a particularly arduous process for a Namekian that is in their prime.
Also remember that Daimao had all kinds of things going on with him that had nothing to do with his DNA. He was making weird demon babies, not normal Namekians. He wasn't himself even a "full" Namekian at that point; he was only half of a complete being, and even at his prime, he wasn't a match for any of the "typical" Namekians we see later in the series. It makes sense that something that would be taxing for him would be relatively easier for someone much, much stronger and in his prime, like Cell was.
This is of course leaving aside the infinite energy generators that Cell had integrated into himself.
If you really want to talk about Cell making no sense, try to explain how he managed to throw up a fully intact 18 after having his top half blown off.
Also remember that Daimao had all kinds of things going on with him that had nothing to do with his DNA. He was making weird demon babies, not normal Namekians. He wasn't himself even a "full" Namekian at that point; he was only half of a complete being, and even at his prime, he wasn't a match for any of the "typical" Namekians we see later in the series. It makes sense that something that would be taxing for him would be relatively easier for someone much, much stronger and in his prime, like Cell was.
This is of course leaving aside the infinite energy generators that Cell had integrated into himself.
If you really want to talk about Cell making no sense, try to explain how he managed to throw up a fully intact 18 after having his top half blown off.
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incredible breakdown of the topic and very intricate points you bring up that make a lot of sense. thanks for your contribution.Kamiccolo9 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:13 am This was touched upon earlier in the thread, but Daimao's offspring weakening him seemed to have been limited to the first few, done when he was old. After being restored to his prime, he popped out Drum, his strongest child until Junior, with no ill effects at all. Even with Junior, he managed to generate enough energy to create an offspring while he had a gigantic hole in his chest. I would just go with it not being a particularly arduous process for a Namekian that is in their prime.
Also remember that Daimao had all kinds of things going on with him that had nothing to do with his DNA. He was making weird demon babies, not normal Namekians. He wasn't himself even a "full" Namekian at that point; he was only half of a complete being, and even at his prime, he wasn't a match for any of the "typical" Namekians we see later in the series. It makes sense that something that would be taxing for him would be relatively easier for someone much, much stronger and in his prime, like Cell was.
This is of course leaving aside the infinite energy generators that Cell had integrated into himself.
If you really want to talk about Cell making no sense, try to explain how he managed to throw up a fully intact 18 after having his top half blown off.
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Cell's abilities are superior compared to their Namekian counterparts. His regeneration is superior to the Namekian one, so it makes sense that so would his reproductive capabilities.
Or maybe Cell is so powerful creating seven folks on the level of CG Vegeta and Trunks is a negligenciable power loss for him.
Or maybe Cell is so powerful creating seven folks on the level of CG Vegeta and Trunks is a negligenciable power loss for him.