PurestEvil wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:42 pm
The 23rd Tournament was my undisputed favorite, but the 22nd had slowly crept up to its level.
It's hard to argue against the 22nd. I favor the 23rd because Goku's longer limbs make for more dynamic choreography with him, plus I love how it's really a set-piece for his rematch with Piccolo. And it's endlessly amusing seeing Goku several steps ahead of everyone for me, at this point. But the 22nd was also great for showing how far Roshi's pupils (especially Goku had come), Tien's development into a better person, and the pretty dead-even fight between Goku and Tien.
There was a time when I considered the Cell saga the best arc of Dragon Ball Z. Now I would put it around the Boo saga and below the Saiyan and Freeza sagas.
The Son Goku arc/first thirteen episodes has also fallen out of favor for me. I used to hold in fairly high regard as “Dragon Ball before it got hyperfocused on fighting and was a fun adventure series” now I view as “Toryiama finding his footing “ and the first arc more as an obligation to get through to get to the good stuff
Agreed on all counts. The Cell saga has many of my favorite moments and aspects of Dragon Ball, to the point where I might've thought it was the best at different times, but moreso than ever before, the arc feels like Toriyama throwing around ideas until something sticks, and not as skillfully as before. I put it even with Boo. The first 13 episodes of the Son Goku arc are charming enough, but since the series subsequently gained a greater focus on martial arts, it almost feels like the series really begins with the 21st Budokai.
Then Freeza survives, except another Super Saiyan shows up and destroys this behemoth of a villain in the blink of an eye!
Future Trunks' first appearance and consecutive Super Saiyan transformation is maybe my favorite transformation of the entire series. At this point, Super Saiyan was still a fresh concept, and the idea that this youngster could do it too, combined with the mystery of who he was, his cool look and demeanor...something about it really stands out. And it still managed to make Super Saiyan feel terrifying.
Obligatory shout-out to the Red Ribbon arc for growing on me every time I revisit it. My first impression of it back in the day was "Meh, kinda boring, there's barely any characters I know from Z in this", whereas now it's "Many of the characters introduced in this arc are incredibly fun and endearing". And I've said this many times before, but little Goku exploring a world he is adorably clueless about, yet utterly invincible to, is pure gold.
I used to consider the RRA my favorite Dragon Ball arc. I still love it for all these reasons. That said, like with Freeza, it's considerably better-paced in the manga.
the boo arc is the same way which is kinda fitting given how much that arc flip flops around. so much good stuff in it but so much...well toriyama had been writing weekly manga for 15 years at that point let's cut him some slack stuff in it.
The Boo arc was my introduction to Dragon Ball, so I always will have a soft spot for it. It's a rollercoaster of varying quality, but my opinion on it remains pretty favorable. I find myself really gravitating toward both the early Great Saiyaman/World Tournament arcs, the ensuing stuff with Babidi/Majin Vegeta, Fusion as a concept, and the fights with Kid Buu.
It used to be the Freeza arc in large part because Goku turned Super Saiyan and Freeza my favorite villain, but now it's the Saiyan arc. That arc is Toriyama firing on all cylinders.
Ask me a different day, and I'd probably say the Saiyan arc is my favorite as well. There's so much of what I love about Dragon Ball packed within it. The introduction of Gohan, Piccolo's redemption, seeing the Earthlings (especially Kuririn) going all out against the Saiyans despite having next-to-no chance of beating them, Goku being back at square one against Raditz, only to die, and technically be "reborn" into a much more powerful being after training in heaven...I also love that the fight against Vegeta ultimately required every hand on deck, not just people standing around gawking at how powerful the two fighters are. The anime's filler added a lot to it as well, imho.
Over time though, I’ve grown fond of the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai and the Saiyan arc as my top 2. That to me was Toriyama’ peak as a mangaka.
100% agree
I used to really enjoy the 23rd Budokai, but now I dislike a lot of it. It's too melodramatic for my liking. I also don't like how Piccolo is written in it.
It doesn't feel melodramatic to me, personally. I feel that a lot of the stakes and tension are counterbalanced by well-placed humor with Shen and Chi-Chi, as well as seeing just how far Goku has risen above everyone else. While King Piccolo is my favorite series villain, I love how Piccolo Jr. is more quiet and calculating. Idk, I respect your opinion, but I don't agree on either count.
Love the variety of responses!
