AtlasFlame18 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:00 pm
Sūpāsaiya wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:17 pm
The Super Cell Games
In a hypothetical where Gohan lost hope and Vegeta refused to help against Cell, Cell came out victiorious and killed all the Z-Fighters. Somehow he ends up being teleported into another dimension, where he is forced to battle many opponents one after another in the original Cell Games arena (although being knocked out of the arena isn't a win condition anymore). He is fully healed after every fight. How far does he make it?
Round 1: Gohan (Vs. Dabura)
Round 2: Dabura, The Demon King
Round 3: Vegeta (Pre Babidi's Magic)
Round 4: Goku (Vs. Majin Vegeta, Cannot go Super Saiyan 2)
Round 5: SS2 Gohan (The Original Cell Games)
Round 1: Cell wins due to Gohan being weaker than his Cell Games counterpart
Round 2: Cell wins but has to avoid stone spit otherwise he takes it with more difficulty than his round 1 fight.
Round 3: Cell loses due to Vegeta being stronger than Gohan. This Vegeta has achieved SS2 though weaker than Goku's SS2 pre-Babidi's magic I can't see SS2 Vegeta being weaker than SS2 Cell Games Gohan.
Round 4: Cell wins because SS Goku in the Buu arc is not stronger than SS2 Gohan from the Cell Games
Round 5: Cell loses because Gohan won't be handicapped by protecting Vegeta
Agreed with 4 or these, except Round 3 because of this:
Sūpāsaiya wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:18 pm
Round 3: Cell loses due to Vegeta being stronger than Gohan. This Vegeta has achieved SS2 though weaker than Goku's SS2 pre-Babidi's magic I can't see SS2 Vegeta being weaker than SS2 Cell Games Gohan.
I actually think Gohan was superior to him prior to getting his boost from Babidi. I base that off Vegeta's statement "Impressive. You're even stronger than Gohan was against Cell" when Goku powered up to Super Saiyan 2 against him. He had already seen SS2 Goku against Yakon briefly and that's what caused him to let himslef be possessed by Babidi, because he felt himself as inferior to his rival. Going by that, it seems to be implied that Full Power SS2 Goku > Cell Games Gohan > SS2 Goku (Initial) > Vegeta.
Hellspawn28 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 11:13 pm
Future Trunks TOP team:
Future Trunks
Broly (DBS)
Fat Buu (Controlled by Shin)
Moro
Metal Cooler
Bojack
Aka
Tagoma
Future Gohan
Paikuhan
How far do they go?
Moro can eat up the saiyans (they can't get over his magic without training, and I doubt Goku could unlock UI in a depleted state, as seen when he needed Uub's help to turn on UI), he probably would do it even easier than in the manga, with all the distractions and people on the arena.
Broly is not strong enough nor has the necessary triggers available to unlock SS. Even if he had them, Jiren would still be above him. Jiren is not dumb, he'd ring out Broly the moment he realises he is a freak of nature. Broly can only contend in his FP state, there's too much room for Jiren to defeat him without even getting serious.
The rest of the team cannot do much against U6 characters or Toppo and Dyspo.
It all boils down to how much power can Moro absorb before facing Jiren. He needed tons of planets to be above Sign Goku, even after absorbing Goku and Vegeta, he was still below SSB, and most of the ToP fighters are fodder. So, he probably would be below the power he had on Earth.
Jiren probably can move fast enough to prevent Moro from absorbing his power, and if he notices what he can do soon enough, he'd ring him out immediately before he reaches his youngest form.
I don't know, Moro is a wild card, he'd need to absorb a lot of ki to beat Jiren, but there are many variables that could tilt the scale in his favour. Although, he is pure evil so he might kill someone and get disqualified.
I don't see this team winning the ToP.