Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

[Koitsukai]

I doubt Vegeta will have much screentime, they seem to be pushing Piccolo, Pan, Gohan and Goku. I feel he is going to be more like his self from the Yo Son Goku and Friends film.

They troll us with Piccolo often, they promo'd him in the Broly movie, and it didn't mean anything. I do agree that Pan will play a big role though. Piccolo's role I bet will be just as a master, not a real combatant.

He had nothing to offer in the Broly movie, but in this more relaxed movie I think he might be billed like a main star. Sure, I don't think he'll fight any big bad, nor do I think there will be a big bad. But I can see him being a big part here.

[omaro34]

Come on, you know the answer

Well we should also consider that Broly came not long after the very succesful anime ended. This movie does not have that kind of momentum to back it up.

Yeah, this forum was pretty alive back in 2005 when the run of DB was still fresh in US plus the games it brought to the international market and then it was in waves... Yo Son Goku and Battle of Gods, The Super anime. Now the series is again on stand-by or in a freezer, with nothing much going on, except for die-hard fans checking the Super manga and whatever one-off release is coming.

Thank god you didn't mention DBS Heroes. I know it's just a promotional anime, but there are fans out there that love fan service nonsense. I've seen fanfiction stories that beat Heroes by ten miles.

[SupremeKai25]

Dragon Ball Heroes is an extremely popular arcade game, being the number 1 digital card game in the market, running for over 9 years straight, and distributing over 700 million cards as of January 2019.[1] It made over 5 billion yen per year starting from 2011, surpassing the total of 40 billion yen. There are more than 3000 individual cards and 1,820,000 players. The 3DS versions of the game, Ultimate Mission 1 and 2, sold over 700k copies in total.[2]

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Heroes

You know it's kind of funny, for all the shit Heroes gets, evidently it is popular and profitable. Maybe it's not *all* bad after all

[MCDaveG]

Well we should also consider that Broly came not long after the very succesful anime ended. This movie does not have that kind of momentum to back it up.

Yeah, this forum was pretty alive back in 2005 when the run of DB was still fresh in US plus the games it brought to the international market and then it was in waves... Yo Son Goku and Battle of Gods, The Super anime. Now the series is again on stand-by or in a freezer, with nothing much going on, except for die-hard fans checking the Super manga and whatever one-off release is coming.

Thank god you didn't mention DBS Heroes. I know it's just a promotional anime, but there are fans out there that love fan service nonsense. I've seen fanfiction stories that beat Heroes by ten miles.

Fanfiction was really fly here, before Super! Lot of fun and interesting stuff. I don't follow it nowadays and even didn't as much back then, but is it still that popular among fans even with the oversaturation of DB stuff we have now?
I was into dojinshi a lot and was following the Multiverse fan-manga, until it introduced not so good extra chapters drawn by different fans.

IMHO, Heroes is not the main carrier of the franchise, definitely not here in the west, so it's just a niche stuff and kind of obscure one.
But I guess that it is pretty popular in Japan, like all the other gatcha and collecting crazy stuff.

[omaro34]

Dragon Ball Heroes is an extremely popular arcade game, being the number 1 digital card game in the market, running for over 9 years straight, and distributing over 700 million cards as of January 2019.[1] It made over 5 billion yen per year starting from 2011, surpassing the total of 40 billion yen. There are more than 3000 individual cards and 1,820,000 players. The 3DS versions of the game, Ultimate Mission 1 and 2, sold over 700k copies in total.[2]

https://dragonball.fandom.com/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Heroes

You know it's kind of funny, for all the shit Heroes gets, evidently it is popular and profitable. Maybe it's not *all* bad after all

That depends how you measure success. I can see children enjoying it though, but the adult me doesn't enjoy it. I measure success by a great plot, something Heroes does not provide at all. Seeing random fan service characters like Broly, Zamasu, Hit, Jiren coming out of nowhere to fight Hearts isn't fun at all.

[Noah]

Spoiler:

The popularity of "Broly" owed a lot to the massive, overwhelming amount of hand drawings. I don't think it is a wise decision to not only lose it all, but to put all the effort into 3D CGI, which has been particularly unpopular since "Battle of Gods".

The reason why I don't think it's wise is because while Broly succeeded in entering the niche of "presenting Hollywood-style action with a mass production of hand-drawn pictures," this film has no visual appeal that differentiates it from other entertainment blockbusters. I don't know whom it's trying to appeal to. If they are thinking that "Dragon Ball is now fully animated in 3D" is enough to attract people all over the world, they are clearly wrong. What matters here is "what can be achieved and expressed as a 3D animation", and there is nothing surprising or attractive about CGI itself.

With the visual expression achieved in Broly, the expectations for the Dragon Ball movies have risen considerably around the world, and if they dare to employ 3D CGI this time, they need to be able to present something different. With the development of the so-called "full animation" style in Pixar's films and the expansion of limited animation seen in movies such as Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, the bar has been raised high for 3D CGI itself to be attractive. It's getting harder and harder. The question is: what can Toei present on the same ground?

If they are thinking that people are going to be surprised in a good way by only seeing Goku moving in CGI, then they must be too naive. To begin with, we have already been seeing Dragon Ball in 3D for over 20 years through video games. And we've already seen the limited-animation style CGI in Fighterz. The reason why such 3D expressions in games have been welcomed is because they are "recreations of anime and manga". There is a sense of excitement in seeing the "mainstream" visuals of manga and anime being replicated in CGI that can be also manipulated to achieve flexible and freely rendered gameplay. They cannot be moved by the fact that the "mainstream", which was supposed to be the goal of reproduction, falls into a (degraded) reproduction of itself using CGI as an alternative expression. If they dare to adopt a different way of expression, they need something to make it "mainstream" at the same level or beyond what has been achieved by hand-drawn animation until then.

If there is something that can differentiate the visual aspect from the aforementioned Hollywood 3D animation and the hand-drawn animation that has been sophisticated up to now, it would be a new way of representation of Akira Toriyama's art style.
The usage of 3D CGI can be justified only if they can maximize the appeal of CGI by facing Akira Toriyama's art on a zero-base again, forgetting what they had been doing in hand-drawn animation. If it remains to be merely a substitute sort of expression, it is meaningless. Or, if they are aiming for a meaningful 3D CGI version as a development of what "Broly" achieved, they can aim for a new niche such as a overwhelming stereoscopic action-packed animation with high frame rate screenings in IMAX or Dolby Cinema.

However, it has been stated from the beginning that unlike the previous film, this one will not be focused on fighting, and as you can see from the trailer, it will be animated in the limited style with reduced frames. It's the complete opposite of the aforementioned strategy, and I am not sure what the point of using CGI is at this point. If you look back at the parts where 3D models were used to represent characters in Battle of Gods and later, you'll see that there are only very few usages of CGI that seem necessary. The use of Unity in the last part of "Broly" did work to some extent, but that was just the background.
Basically, they were merely self-satisfied and compromising uses of CGI which fall into "we did it because we wanted to" or "we used CGI because it was too hard to draw it by hand" sort of mentalities. Viewers could easily pick up their corner-cutting that exuded from their attitude, so I can't say that it was well received by people to my knowledge.

In light of this, I think it's natural to be concerned that this time hand-drawn animation was replaced with CGI only with the aforementioned mindset. I hope that this concern turns out to be unfounded, but I think that many people frankly feel that it is difficult to say that what is currently out there has enough persuasive power to overturn it.

Also, it is easy to imagine that the switch to 3D CGI has already brought about negative impact on their business. Four years of absence of animated contents is obviously too long.

2013 - Battle of Gods
2015 - Resurrection "F"
2018 - Broly
2022 - Super Hero

Between "Battle of Gods" and the release of "F", there was Dragon Ball Kai, and between that and the release of "Broly", there was the TV series of DBS. From then to now, there has been no contents on TV at all, and there is a strong sense of blankness, which makes me wonder whether it was caused by the decision to risk everything by suddenly switching to 3D CGI, which they are not familiar with. If you want to keep the public's interest in your work, it is important to continue to develop it in an uninterrupted manner so that it can be seen by a wide range of people. For children, 4-5 years of absence can be too long, and it can produce a generation unfamiliar with the franchise. There are still contents like the web streaming of the Heroes anime and the manga serialization, but in my opinion, these alone are not enough to keep the general public's interest in the franchise. The sales figures of the franchise in the financial results have been slowly declining since the release of Broly until the forecast for the next fiscal year ending March 31, 2022. The figures have remained relatively high, and it seems that people's interest in the IP as a whole has not declined much. However, these numbers are probably supported by the smartphone games, so I think those figures do not show how much appeal the franchise is still maintaining among children, which are (or should be) the main target audience.

Rather than leaving the main development halfway and creating a gap, and suddenly throwing all their energy into something requires techniques that they are unfamiliar with, as an experiment, they could have tried producing 3D CGI works under major VoD services such as Netflix and Prime Video, and continued the development of the franchise without interruption while investigating how CGI can work on Dragon Ball. I think there could have been a safer way to switch to a new technology. All in all, based on what I've seen, I don't think it's a wise decision to switch to full 3D CGI for the new movie. If there are any drastic changes or improvements until the theatrical release, it could end up a good decision, but I can't help but be pessimistic about the current situation.

Even when a sequel itself ends up mediocre, if the previous movie in a series has high sales, the general public's level of expectation will increase and the box office of the sequel can start out very well. After that, however, the growth will depend on the potential of the production, but from what I've seen so far, I have a feeling that that will not be the case this time. My personal prediction is that unless something miraculous happens or the scale of release is greatly expanded worldwide, the total box office sales will probably be lower than those of Broly.

That's probably the best review so far in this thread from what we know from this movie. I don't understand how Toei can be so dumb to downgrade something they achieved sucess in the past, Broly was a lackluster storywise but it had the best animation this franchise ever had!

Also it's clear that Toriyama is in creative bankruptcy, so many interesting plot points he could address like:

The Erased Universes, Planet Sadala, allies from other universes (Ribriane, Hit, Pride Troopers), Zalama, Yamoshi, heck even Heroes has more interesting stuff going on than the main core series. I mean who the hell would be hyped about the return of the Red Ribbon Army? An slice of life movie featuring Piccolo babysitting Pan and Goten, Trunks still doing no sh*t at all? It is written on the stars that this movie will be one big *ss failure and there's nothing to do about it.

Do you think we will see Ultra Ego Vegeta in the film?

Sure and we probably will get a Moro/Granola flashback too lol

Come on mate, if Toei did care about stuff from Toyotaro manga we would already have content about it. If the anime ever comes back they will skip this whole fluff for sure.

[MCDaveG]

Spoiler:

The popularity of "Broly" owed a lot to the massive, overwhelming amount of hand drawings. I don't think it is a wise decision to not only lose it all, but to put all the effort into 3D CGI, which has been particularly unpopular since "Battle of Gods".

The reason why I don't think it's wise is because while Broly succeeded in entering the niche of "presenting Hollywood-style action with a mass production of hand-drawn pictures," this film has no visual appeal that differentiates it from other entertainment blockbusters. I don't know whom it's trying to appeal to. If they are thinking that "Dragon Ball is now fully animated in 3D" is enough to attract people all over the world, they are clearly wrong. What matters here is "what can be achieved and expressed as a 3D animation", and there is nothing surprising or attractive about CGI itself.

With the visual expression achieved in Broly, the expectations for the Dragon Ball movies have risen considerably around the world, and if they dare to employ 3D CGI this time, they need to be able to present something different. With the development of the so-called "full animation" style in Pixar's films and the expansion of limited animation seen in movies such as Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, the bar has been raised high for 3D CGI itself to be attractive. It's getting harder and harder. The question is: what can Toei present on the same ground?

If they are thinking that people are going to be surprised in a good way by only seeing Goku moving in CGI, then they must be too naive. To begin with, we have already been seeing Dragon Ball in 3D for over 20 years through video games. And we've already seen the limited-animation style CGI in Fighterz. The reason why such 3D expressions in games have been welcomed is because they are "recreations of anime and manga". There is a sense of excitement in seeing the "mainstream" visuals of manga and anime being replicated in CGI that can be also manipulated to achieve flexible and freely rendered gameplay. They cannot be moved by the fact that the "mainstream", which was supposed to be the goal of reproduction, falls into a (degraded) reproduction of itself using CGI as an alternative expression. If they dare to adopt a different way of expression, they need something to make it "mainstream" at the same level or beyond what has been achieved by hand-drawn animation until then.

If there is something that can differentiate the visual aspect from the aforementioned Hollywood 3D animation and the hand-drawn animation that has been sophisticated up to now, it would be a new way of representation of Akira Toriyama's art style.
The usage of 3D CGI can be justified only if they can maximize the appeal of CGI by facing Akira Toriyama's art on a zero-base again, forgetting what they had been doing in hand-drawn animation. If it remains to be merely a substitute sort of expression, it is meaningless. Or, if they are aiming for a meaningful 3D CGI version as a development of what "Broly" achieved, they can aim for a new niche such as a overwhelming stereoscopic action-packed animation with high frame rate screenings in IMAX or Dolby Cinema.

However, it has been stated from the beginning that unlike the previous film, this one will not be focused on fighting, and as you can see from the trailer, it will be animated in the limited style with reduced frames. It's the complete opposite of the aforementioned strategy, and I am not sure what the point of using CGI is at this point. If you look back at the parts where 3D models were used to represent characters in Battle of Gods and later, you'll see that there are only very few usages of CGI that seem necessary. The use of Unity in the last part of "Broly" did work to some extent, but that was just the background.
Basically, they were merely self-satisfied and compromising uses of CGI which fall into "we did it because we wanted to" or "we used CGI because it was too hard to draw it by hand" sort of mentalities. Viewers could easily pick up their corner-cutting that exuded from their attitude, so I can't say that it was well received by people to my knowledge.

In light of this, I think it's natural to be concerned that this time hand-drawn animation was replaced with CGI only with the aforementioned mindset. I hope that this concern turns out to be unfounded, but I think that many people frankly feel that it is difficult to say that what is currently out there has enough persuasive power to overturn it.

Also, it is easy to imagine that the switch to 3D CGI has already brought about negative impact on their business. Four years of absence of animated contents is obviously too long.

2013 - Battle of Gods
2015 - Resurrection "F"
2018 - Broly
2022 - Super Hero

Between "Battle of Gods" and the release of "F", there was Dragon Ball Kai, and between that and the release of "Broly", there was the TV series of DBS. From then to now, there has been no contents on TV at all, and there is a strong sense of blankness, which makes me wonder whether it was caused by the decision to risk everything by suddenly switching to 3D CGI, which they are not familiar with. If you want to keep the public's interest in your work, it is important to continue to develop it in an uninterrupted manner so that it can be seen by a wide range of people. For children, 4-5 years of absence can be too long, and it can produce a generation unfamiliar with the franchise. There are still contents like the web streaming of the Heroes anime and the manga serialization, but in my opinion, these alone are not enough to keep the general public's interest in the franchise. The sales figures of the franchise in the financial results have been slowly declining since the release of Broly until the forecast for the next fiscal year ending March 31, 2022. The figures have remained relatively high, and it seems that people's interest in the IP as a whole has not declined much. However, these numbers are probably supported by the smartphone games, so I think those figures do not show how much appeal the franchise is still maintaining among children, which are (or should be) the main target audience.

Rather than leaving the main development halfway and creating a gap, and suddenly throwing all their energy into something requires techniques that they are unfamiliar with, as an experiment, they could have tried producing 3D CGI works under major VoD services such as Netflix and Prime Video, and continued the development of the franchise without interruption while investigating how CGI can work on Dragon Ball. I think there could have been a safer way to switch to a new technology. All in all, based on what I've seen, I don't think it's a wise decision to switch to full 3D CGI for the new movie. If there are any drastic changes or improvements until the theatrical release, it could end up a good decision, but I can't help but be pessimistic about the current situation.

Even when a sequel itself ends up mediocre, if the previous movie in a series has high sales, the general public's level of expectation will increase and the box office of the sequel can start out very well. After that, however, the growth will depend on the potential of the production, but from what I've seen so far, I have a feeling that that will not be the case this time. My personal prediction is that unless something miraculous happens or the scale of release is greatly expanded worldwide, the total box office sales will probably be lower than those of Broly.

That's probably the best review so far in this thread from what we know from this movie. I don't understand how Toei can be so dumb to downgrade something they achieved sucess in the past, Broly was a lackluster storywise but it had the best animation this franchise ever had!

Also it's clear that Toriyama is in creative bankruptcy, so many interesting plot points he could address like:

The Erased Universes, Planet Sadala, allies from other universes (Ribriane, Hit, Pride Troopers), Zalama, Yamoshi, heck even Heroes has more interesting stuff going on than the main core series. I mean who the hell would be hyped about the return of the Red Ribbon Army? An slice of life movie featuring Piccolo babysitting Pan and Goten, Trunks still doing no sh*t at all? It is written on the stars that this movie will be one big *ss failure and there's nothing to do about it.

Do you think we will see Ultra Ego Vegeta in the film?

Sure and we probably will get a Moro/Granola flashback too lol

Come on mate, if Toei did care about stuff from Toyotaro manga we would already have content about it. If the anime ever comes back they will skip this whole fluff for sure.

Man, about Kei17 mentioning Netflix and TOEI, the Saint Seiya comes to my mind with really sour taste in my mouth… that was a horrible project!

[Mr_CINDER]

Spoiler:

The popularity of "Broly" owed a lot to the massive, overwhelming amount of hand drawings. I don't think it is a wise decision to not only lose it all, but to put all the effort into 3D CGI, which has been particularly unpopular since "Battle of Gods".

The reason why I don't think it's wise is because while Broly succeeded in entering the niche of "presenting Hollywood-style action with a mass production of hand-drawn pictures," this film has no visual appeal that differentiates it from other entertainment blockbusters. I don't know whom it's trying to appeal to. If they are thinking that "Dragon Ball is now fully animated in 3D" is enough to attract people all over the world, they are clearly wrong. What matters here is "what can be achieved and expressed as a 3D animation", and there is nothing surprising or attractive about CGI itself.

With the visual expression achieved in Broly, the expectations for the Dragon Ball movies have risen considerably around the world, and if they dare to employ 3D CGI this time, they need to be able to present something different. With the development of the so-called "full animation" style in Pixar's films and the expansion of limited animation seen in movies such as Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse, the bar has been raised high for 3D CGI itself to be attractive. It's getting harder and harder. The question is: what can Toei present on the same ground?

If they are thinking that people are going to be surprised in a good way by only seeing Goku moving in CGI, then they must be too naive. To begin with, we have already been seeing Dragon Ball in 3D for over 20 years through video games. And we've already seen the limited-animation style CGI in Fighterz. The reason why such 3D expressions in games have been welcomed is because they are "recreations of anime and manga". There is a sense of excitement in seeing the "mainstream" visuals of manga and anime being replicated in CGI that can be also manipulated to achieve flexible and freely rendered gameplay. They cannot be moved by the fact that the "mainstream", which was supposed to be the goal of reproduction, falls into a (degraded) reproduction of itself using CGI as an alternative expression. If they dare to adopt a different way of expression, they need something to make it "mainstream" at the same level or beyond what has been achieved by hand-drawn animation until then.

If there is something that can differentiate the visual aspect from the aforementioned Hollywood 3D animation and the hand-drawn animation that has been sophisticated up to now, it would be a new way of representation of Akira Toriyama's art style.
The usage of 3D CGI can be justified only if they can maximize the appeal of CGI by facing Akira Toriyama's art on a zero-base again, forgetting what they had been doing in hand-drawn animation. If it remains to be merely a substitute sort of expression, it is meaningless. Or, if they are aiming for a meaningful 3D CGI version as a development of what "Broly" achieved, they can aim for a new niche such as a overwhelming stereoscopic action-packed animation with high frame rate screenings in IMAX or Dolby Cinema.

However, it has been stated from the beginning that unlike the previous film, this one will not be focused on fighting, and as you can see from the trailer, it will be animated in the limited style with reduced frames. It's the complete opposite of the aforementioned strategy, and I am not sure what the point of using CGI is at this point. If you look back at the parts where 3D models were used to represent characters in Battle of Gods and later, you'll see that there are only very few usages of CGI that seem necessary. The use of Unity in the last part of "Broly" did work to some extent, but that was just the background.
Basically, they were merely self-satisfied and compromising uses of CGI which fall into "we did it because we wanted to" or "we used CGI because it was too hard to draw it by hand" sort of mentalities. Viewers could easily pick up their corner-cutting that exuded from their attitude, so I can't say that it was well received by people to my knowledge.

In light of this, I think it's natural to be concerned that this time hand-drawn animation was replaced with CGI only with the aforementioned mindset. I hope that this concern turns out to be unfounded, but I think that many people frankly feel that it is difficult to say that what is currently out there has enough persuasive power to overturn it.

Also, it is easy to imagine that the switch to 3D CGI has already brought about negative impact on their business. Four years of absence of animated contents is obviously too long.

2013 - Battle of Gods
2015 - Resurrection "F"
2018 - Broly
2022 - Super Hero

Between "Battle of Gods" and the release of "F", there was Dragon Ball Kai, and between that and the release of "Broly", there was the TV series of DBS. From then to now, there has been no contents on TV at all, and there is a strong sense of blankness, which makes me wonder whether it was caused by the decision to risk everything by suddenly switching to 3D CGI, which they are not familiar with. If you want to keep the public's interest in your work, it is important to continue to develop it in an uninterrupted manner so that it can be seen by a wide range of people. For children, 4-5 years of absence can be too long, and it can produce a generation unfamiliar with the franchise. There are still contents like the web streaming of the Heroes anime and the manga serialization, but in my opinion, these alone are not enough to keep the general public's interest in the franchise. The sales figures of the franchise in the financial results have been slowly declining since the release of Broly until the forecast for the next fiscal year ending March 31, 2022. The figures have remained relatively high, and it seems that people's interest in the IP as a whole has not declined much. However, these numbers are probably supported by the smartphone games, so I think those figures do not show how much appeal the franchise is still maintaining among children, which are (or should be) the main target audience.

Rather than leaving the main development halfway and creating a gap, and suddenly throwing all their energy into something requires techniques that they are unfamiliar with, as an experiment, they could have tried producing 3D CGI works under major VoD services such as Netflix and Prime Video, and continued the development of the franchise without interruption while investigating how CGI can work on Dragon Ball. I think there could have been a safer way to switch to a new technology. All in all, based on what I've seen, I don't think it's a wise decision to switch to full 3D CGI for the new movie. If there are any drastic changes or improvements until the theatrical release, it could end up a good decision, but I can't help but be pessimistic about the current situation.

Even when a sequel itself ends up mediocre, if the previous movie in a series has high sales, the general public's level of expectation will increase and the box office of the sequel can start out very well. After that, however, the growth will depend on the potential of the production, but from what I've seen so far, I have a feeling that that will not be the case this time. My personal prediction is that unless something miraculous happens or the scale of release is greatly expanded worldwide, the total box office sales will probably be lower than those of Broly.

That's probably the best review so far in this thread from what we know from this movie. I don't understand how Toei can be so dumb to downgrade something they achieved sucess in the past, Broly was a lackluster storywise but it had the best animation this franchise ever had!

Also it's clear that Toriyama is in creative bankruptcy, so many interesting plot points he could address like:

The Erased Universes, Planet Sadala, allies from other universes (Ribriane, Hit, Pride Troopers), Zalama, Yamoshi, heck even Heroes has more interesting stuff going on than the main core series. I mean who the hell would be hyped about the return of the Red Ribbon Army? An slice of life movie featuring Piccolo babysitting Pan and Goten, Trunks still doing no sh*t at all? It is written on the stars that this movie will be one big *ss failure and there's nothing to do about it.

Do you think we will see Ultra Ego Vegeta in the film?

Sure and we probably will get a Moro/Granola flashback too lol

Come on mate, if Toei did care about stuff from Toyotaro manga we would already have content about it. If the anime ever comes back they will skip this whole fluff for sure.

They are are not dumb because At this point the power creep is getting out of hand , current granolah arc making not much of a sense, so in my opinion they are doing the right thing to go in a different direction. I could be wrong but I dont think this movie will feature ultra ego let alone any transformation.Current Dragon Ball has no direction everything is complete rehash after rehash after rehash. Toyotaro is not fit to continue DB's legacy, at this point the only question that coming to my mind is if this story should end or go on.Toriyama has done enough for the industry ENOUGH that man earned it all.

[capsulecorp]

The Erased Universes, Planet Sadala, allies from other universes (Ribriane, Hit, Pride Troopers), Zalama, Yamoshi, heck even Heroes has more interesting stuff going on than the main core series. I mean who the hell would be hyped about the return of the Red Ribbon Army? An slice of life movie featuring Piccolo babysitting Pan and Goten, Trunks still doing no sh*t at all? It is written on the stars that this movie will be one big *ss failure and there's nothing to do about it.

I'm sorry but this is just straight up wrong. I'm not interested in the Salad planet, I don't want to revisit the awful, boring TOP characters and I'm not interested in their world. Heroes does not have anything interesting going on. I'm looking forward to this movie.

...now, of course this is MY opinion, just like you have your own opinion. However, you don't need to and SHOULDN'T ask "who the hell would be hyped" for this movie because you can look at this VERY THREAD and find people who are.

Anyway, as I said earlier, lets cool it with the breathless doomsaying.

[Demon Prince Piccolo]

I also have zero interest in exploring the other universes. Honestly, I wouldn't care if none of those characters ever show up again. They were fine for the TOP, but not interesting outside of that.

[PurestEvil]

I dunno, it would be pretty unsatisfying to see Vegeta's loose ends with Cabba remain unresolved.

[SupremeKai25]

Agreed on the part about the 6 Erased Universes. Toriyama had the perfect opportunity to have 17's wish, which objectively had ambiguous wording, bring back the Universes 12-18 too, with all the villains and civilizations it might have had.

When ep. 131 first aired, countless people were speculating about the consequences of 17's ambiguous wish; if maybe Universes 12-18 were also restored, or if the Future timeline (along with Infinite Zamasu) was also restoreed by mistake.

But Nope, it didn't go anywhere.

Instead we get recycled Namekians and Red Ribbon force. Sometimes I wonder if Toriyama is legit sleeping to not see all these missed opportunities.

[VegettoEX]

Agreed on the part about the 6 Erased Universes. Toriyama had the perfect opportunity to have 17's wish, which objectively had ambiguous wording, bring back the Universes 12-18 too, with all the villains and civilizations it might have had.

When ep. 131 first aired, countless people were speculating about the consequences of 17's ambiguous wish; if maybe Universes 12-18 were also restored, or if the Future timeline (along with Infinite Zamasu) was also restoreed by mistake.

But Nope, it didn't go anywhere.

Instead we get recycled Namekians and Red Ribbon force. Sometimes I wonder if Toriyama is legit sleeping to not see all these missed opportunities.

We know from various interviews now that they hold group meetings to review several ideas for each film (one ended up being Broly) and manga arc (we ended up with Moro and Granolla).

Who's to say some of those ideas weren't "explore another universe" and such? I'd say it's actually more likely than not; it's not like the very people responsible for the stories don't know their own current stories. Thing is, Toriyama at the very least didn't feel compelled to tell those stories, and whatever push came from Shueisha was either in line with Toriyama's train of thought, or didn't outrank him.

Even if I don't end up liking the story being told, I'm far more interested in reading something that Toriyama and Toyotaro feel strongly about telling than one they feel pressured or obligated into.

[Demon Prince Piccolo]

I dunno, it would be pretty unsatisfying to see Vegeta's loose ends with Cabba remain unresolved.

Maybe to people who find Cabba interesting. I honestly never liked him.

[JulieYBM]

I dunno, it would be pretty unsatisfying to see Vegeta's loose ends with Cabba remain unresolved.

Maybe to people who find Cabba interesting. I honestly never liked him.

I think the only people who have ever cared about Cabba were people discussing him in the context of him fucking Caulifla, which, well, says about all there is to say about him.

[Koitsukai]

I honestly don't see what could be so interesting with planet Sadala. Vegeta meeting other saiyans who have nothing to do with him or his past, I mean, maybe if there was some Vegeta bloodline there or something, or if they happen to have some problem with the formerly evil U7 saiyans. I can't see that being more than just a friendly visit, that could also be an email.


Or with Cabba. Geets it's going down his own path now, he shouldn't have time to teach the basics to some scrawny kid. He already gave him the jumpstart he needed, he won't be holding his hand all the way down the line. At best I can see them meeting again in the future with Cabba pulling out SSB or something and try and see if he can take him.

None of the U6 saiyans left a big impression on me either, they had to fuse to made me like one of them. Maybe Caulifla is sort of ok, but she is too obnoxious for my taste.

[Demon Prince Piccolo]

I honestly don't see what could be so interesting with planet Sadala. Vegeta meeting other saiyans who have nothing to do with him or his past, I mean, maybe if there was some Vegeta bloodline there or something, or if they happen to have some problem with the formerly evil U7 saiyans. I can't see that being more than just a friendly visit, that could also be an email.


Or with Cabba. Geets it's going down his own path now, he shouldn't have time to teach the basics to some scrawny kid. He already gave him the jumpstart he needed, he won't be holding his hand all the way down the line. At best I can see them meeting again in the future with Cabba pulling out SSB or something and try and see if he can take him.

None of the U6 saiyans left a big impression on me either, they had to fuse to made me like one of them. Maybe Caulifla is sort of ok, but she is too obnoxious for my taste.

Out of all of them, I liked Kefla the most, so I agree with that. I guess she's technically Caulifla personality-wise, but I liked the design/techniques of Kefla; of all of them, she left the most of an impression on me. She just felt like she was overflowing with power in the anime.

For me, the fact that Vegeta even offered is just a way of showing how much he's changed from before. That all I really need from it; I don't need to see him visit the planet, especially when I'm not invested in the character who is from there.

[MCDaveG]

I dunno, it would be pretty unsatisfying to see Vegeta's loose ends with Cabba remain unresolved.

Maybe to people who find Cabba interesting. I honestly never liked him.

I have lived through Ledgic and Goku flying away on dragon, hence I can definitely miss seeing planet Salad

[BWri]

I dunno, it would be pretty unsatisfying to see Vegeta's loose ends with Cabba remain unresolved.

Maybe to people who find Cabba interesting. I honestly never liked him.

I think the only people who have ever cared about Cabba were people discussing him in the context of him fucking Caulifla, which, well, says about all there is to say about him.

Nah, Cabba's cool. I think he's been misused though so I can't blame people for finding him bland, boring, and uninspiring. I can see a lot of potential for the character.

[Neo-Makaiōshin]

DBS: Super Hero will have a stage showing at this year Jump Festa, will feature Nozawa, Furukawa and the reveal of Gamma 1 and Gamma 2 VAs.