Peach wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 12:29 pm
Master Roshi (Tournament of Power) vs. Semi Perfect Cell
Tien's Tri-Beam (Cell saga) vs. Frieza (Namek)
Gohan (after Z Sword training) vs. SSJ2 Gottenks
Super Perfect Cell vs. 18 and Krillin (Tournament of Power)
Bardock & His Squad (as Great Apes) vs. Dodoria
Master Roshi (Tournament of Power) vs. Semi Perfect Cell : If it's the anime then you could make a good argument for the Turtle Hermit taking the fight easily. If it's the manga then absent Ultra Instinct there's nothing concrete to adequately determine if he would win. Considering #18's power being described as superior to the strongest human, Krillin, I'm inclined to say no here.
Tien's Tri-Beam (Cell saga) vs. Frieza (Namek): It didn't inflict any lasting damage but Tenshinhan's Kikoho was able to knock the air out of Cell continuously and even leave some superficial marks on his body. Freeza's incredible physical resilience would have to allow him to stay in the fight long enough for exhaustion to take its course. I see Tenshinhan managing to severely damage the tyrant here.
Gohan (after Z Sword training) vs. SSJ2 Gottenks: At the time of the Buu arc? I believe Gohan had improved enough to find himself in some peculiar limbo between SSJ2 and SSJ3 standards. A fight between him and Grey Buu would have been intense and entertaining if you ask me. As for Gotenks? I consider his base state to be superior to Fat Buu. It should go without saying that SSJ2 would thrash this Gohan.
Super Perfect Cell vs. 18 and Krillin (Tournament of Power): A similar conundrum like with the Roshi match up. If it's the manga rendition then it's difficult to find a good competition here. Should it be the anime, though, I see the wedded pair having a solid chance. Krillin was able to challenge base Goku to a match and handle himself capably. Goku at this time has grown so much during his training that his untransformed state could contest a souped up Good Buu.
Bardock & His Squad (as Great Apes) vs. Dodoria They would need to coordinate attacks, rely on their greater mass, and the ki attacks to have a chance. Dodoria is noticeably superior to all of them in terms of speed. If they don't weaken him through teamwork and areal ki attacks then they'll quickly lose.
Koitsukai wrote: ↑Sat Dec 11, 2021 8:07 pm
Damaged Android 16 vs Super Saiyan Goku pre ROSAT.
SS Goku, SS Trunks, Kamicollo (all pre ROSAT) vs strongest 1st form Cell. (SS Vegeta joins later)
Damaged Android 16 vs Super Saiyan Goku pre ROSAT. Hard to say. #16 was needing aid from #18 and Krillin just to move about though the android still seemed capable enough to try to blindside Cell with an attack. Although we don't know how the performance of a mechanical being with infinite energy who suffered severe structural damage would wane. They're not like organic finite beings. All I can say for certain is that Goku would need to unleash everything he has to have a chance.
Edit: I overlooked #18's remark about her own survival against Cell's systematic destruction of the island chain they were hiding amongst versus #16's. If that's to be taken as meaning that the android would in all likelihood die in the attack then we could infer that this damaged iteration of #16 has been weakened to the point of physical inferiority to #18. I think Goku could win this. The android does have infinite energy but he's architecturally damaged and handicapped. It may take a good amount of effort but I see the Super Saiyan winning.
SS Goku, SS Trunks, Kamicollo (all pre ROSAT) vs strongest 1st form Cell. (SS Vegeta joins later): Piccolo's most powerful attack did nothing to Cell. All three or four of these characters together would not make a difference, unfortunately. The only sliver of hope would be for Goku to gather energy for the Spirit Bomb. I highly doubt Cell would allow that to happen though given his preemptive understanding of the technique.
Peach wrote: ↑Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:32 pm
Is Cooler stronger than King Cold and Mecha Frieza?
Prior to becoming mechanised himself? I would say so. Cooler was able to surpass his brother with his amplification form, right? The cybernetic upgrades Freeza had received bolstered his strength but he evidently still felt it necessary to bring his father along as a precaution in the fight against what he likely assumed was the same Super Saiyan that he fought on Namek. Cooler was outmatched against SSJ Goku but this is a Super Saiyan who seemed to have trained a good deal more if his performance against the natural form of Cooler indicates anything.
Noah wrote: ↑Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:13 pm
New match:
- SSJ3 Vegetto (Boo arc) vs. Final Form Freeza (RoF)
SSJ3 Vegetto (Boo arc) vs. Final Form Freeza (RoF): Going by the original notion of base Goku having surpassed SSJG it would be Freeza easily. Without it, things become much more debatable. I might go with Vegetto since Freeza was arguably weaker than Good Buu in his most suppressed form.