Could the Zamasu Arc have been better if the Universe 10 warriors had been involved?

[Geraldo]

And if so, how would you incorporate them in the story?

[SupremeKai25]

Like the Babarians, the U10 Team were all brawns and no brain. So they could be used by Zamasu as further proof that the mortals (at least the mortals of U10) are a failure.

Indeed, the U10 Team performed terribly at the Tournament of Power and was the second team to be eliminated

I can't imagine them having any larger role than that, since all of them were extremely weak (even Obuni wouldn't do that much) and had forgettable and ugly designs.

Would it have been better if they were included? Maybe. They certainly would have disgusted Zamasu like the Babari did, since they were all brawns and no brain.

At the end of the day, all those fighters were clearly designed to be tertiary fodders, so unless you replaced them/completely overhauled them with serious characters, they wouldn't be able to contribute much to the plot...

If the Future Trunks arc had taken place AFTER the ToP arc (like many fan rewrites do), then Zamasu could have argued that Gowasu failed as a God and as a leader because his team was trash at the tournament.

[ZombieVito]

I can't imagine them having any larger role than that, since all of them were extremely weak (even Obuni wouldn't do that much) and had forgettable and ugly designs.

But he held his own against Ultimate Gohan. He was far from weak.

[SupremeKai25]

I can't imagine them having any larger role than that, since all of them were extremely weak (even Obuni wouldn't do that much) and had forgettable and ugly designs.

But he held his own against Ultimate Gohan. He was far from weak.

He held his own only because the writers wanted an episode centred around Gohan and the theme of family (hence why it's revealed at the end that Obuni was also a father and had a baby. giving him a connection to Gohan). It's the same as Ribrianne being a thorn in the Saiyans' side for so many episodes, it doesn't mean anything from a power-scaling perspective. It was just Toei giving relevance to the other universes so that the arc is more colourful and entertaining than the rushed mess that it is in the manga.

From a writing perspective, the writers (Toriyama and Toei) would never have their Goku Black be challenged by some tertiary fighter like Obuni. Obuni was there to challenge a secondary protagonist. It's not his role to challenge the main villain of an arc.

[Zephyr]

I think the other universes getting erased would have left more of an impact if we were already acquainted with the people getting erased. Following that line of thought, I think it would have been cool if some of the fighters who eventually were on Universe 10's team had some sort of presence in Zamasu's arc. That said, I think the arc was just fine without them.

[SupremeKai25]

To be fair it's also possible that they were simply dead in the FT timeline. That timeline takes place 20 years into the future, a lot can happen in 20 years. Maybe they didn't even die, but simply became old and retired.

Since Zamasu put his plan in motion in the FT timeline (since it was the one timeline where Beerus was gone), there wasn't much room for these fighters to be relevant, even if they were written to be strong instead of complete fodders.

[Geraldo]

I can't imagine them having any larger role than that, since all of them were extremely weak (even Obuni wouldn't do that much) and had forgettable and ugly designs.

But he held his own against Ultimate Gohan. He was far from weak.

He held his own only because the writers wanted an episode centred around Gohan and the theme of family (hence why it's revealed at the end that Obuni was also a father and had a baby. giving him a connection to Gohan). It's the same as Ribrianne being a thorn in the Saiyans' side for so many episodes, it doesn't mean anything from a power-scaling perspective. It was just Toei giving relevance to the other universes so that the arc is more colourful and entertaining than the rushed mess that it is in the manga.

From a writing perspective, the writers (Toriyama and Toei) would never have their Goku Black be challenged by some tertiary fighter like Obuni. Obuni was there to challenge a secondary protagonist. It's not his role to challenge the main villain of an arc.

I can't see Goku who got weaker in the time prior to the Zeno Exhibition Match being weaker than 80% at the worst case scenario than what he was against Zamasu and Black. That said, his SSB power level was something Mystic/Ultimate Gohan had surpassed in the anime (bad writing or not, that is factual, hence Goku using Kaioken stacked on SSB). Obuni is in that sphere of power.

As for the Universe 10 warriors - they could have been easily inserted and written better (Krillin is weaker than most if not all of them - whom are stronger than Android 16 - and still has a character who sticks out and is helpful and useful at times of crisis); right after Goku spars with the reluctant Zamasu, Beerus notes that Zamasu is not as strong as Goku Black was so it must be someone else; Gowasu thinks that if they’re interested in checking out the strongest fighters in this univese they can see it at Rumsshi’s Planet where the annual WWE-like tournament occurs. Beerus thinks it’s a great idea, and they all leave for that planet.

Beerus and Whis go undercover in the stands, as Beerus has a feud with the local God of Destruction, while Goku joins Gowas and Zamasu to the front seats (not before Whis orders him not to do anything reckless as they’re hiding from Rumsshi and Kusu). Goku meets Murichim who has won all last 5 titles and before he could act like the stupid manchild he is, Beerus give him the stare and cool him down. Gowasu states that due to his monk nature Muchirim is very calm. Goku estimates that Muchirim is strong enough to fight Hit when he’s not using his full power, which makes him a good candidate for being mixed in the Goku Black complex.

Gowasu also states that these warriors had joined forces decades ago and serve as a "special forces" for him whenever a new strong evil appears in this cosmos (instead of only meeting them before the TOP).

==⅛ Finals==

1st match: Rylibeu is very quick yet the weakest, but still has a good fight against Methiop (likes to act like a freak and stop melee attacks with his crustacean mouth).

2nd match: Napapa, a shogun in his home planet, takes out the Kickboxing master, Murisam.

3rd match: Dyrasem, a medieval world knight who acts like a cocky “pretty boy” for the girls in the crowd, who uses his ki as medieval weapons and shield, is defeated by Muchirim.

Match 4: Rubalt is taken out by Obuni - whom Goku thinks is even stronger than Muchirim.

Match 5: Zircor can see his rival's weak spots and pinch them to null their bodies, but falls short to Dium who has Pokemon/Digimon-like attacks.

Match 6: 2 jabronies (DBZ’s Android 17 tier) - Hyena-like warrior vs. a shark-like warrior, the Hyena wins.

==¼ Finals==

Match 7: Methiop wins against Dium.

Match 8: Obuni wins against Napapa.

Match 9: Muchirim vs. the Hyena. On the magnitude of Super Perfect Cell vs. Final Form Frieza from Namek.

==½ Finals==

Match 10: Obuni vs. Methiop. Goes flawless for Obuni who wins with ease. Murichim is not fighting this turn, because of the structure of the event, so he’s waiting his turn on the sidelines next to Gowasu and Zamasu. He hopes to win this thing and close the day as the 6th time in a row champion. Kusu tells Gowasu telepathically that Rumsshi favors Muchirim as his successor in his planned retirement in the “very far future”. Zamasu glares at Muchirim with contempt.

==Finals==

Match 11: Obuni vs. Muchirim. Obuni wins against Murichim after a close fight.

Zamasu sees that the mortals in the crowd are rooting for violence and sees that as a sign for their "bad bloodthirsty nature" and as another excuse for annihilating them.

After the tournament is over Whis notes that Zamasu’s ki is still the “best candidate” for Goku Black’s energy signature. Goku is called back by Whis and they head back to Universe 7. Goku tells Whis that he wishes to fight the Universe 10 team on his own, but knows it may be exhausting considering the top two fighters are SSB level.

[Peach]

Absolutely.

That arc felt like it needed a lot more characters honestly. Zamasu teaming up with himself was a little lack luster.