Toyotaro must stop copying kishimoto

[Cipher]

1) I don’t think any influences are overly obvious. They seem to amount to one (1) character using “weapons” (which is just a general martial arts thing I was actually happy to see DBS dip its toes into), the giant ki construct, which is also pretty generic, and three total flashbacks, between Trunks’ fight with Dabra, Moro’s backstory, and the events on Cereal. Only one is even framed as a flashback.

2) It’s true that Toriyama essentially never used the latter (though the DB anime adaptations sure did), but I also think it’s reasonable that DBS reflect Toyotaro’s inclinations as someone who may also have read those series, decades down the line from the original DB. Action-wise, you can certainly do a lot worse than Kishimoto influence, for however much it may or may not be in there.

[Tai Lung]

Ah yes, I forgot Granolah was Goku's best friend. I had completely forgotten all the time Granolah and Goku spent together prior to this arc. I also forgot how Granolah was betrayed by his brother, Flakes, who helped kill all the Cerealians.

The red eye that can see well isn't particularly unique (because it's in a lot of stuff), but equating him to Sasuke just because he went through a genocide is pushing it. They're much more different than similar. And whereas Sasuke's whole character arc is one of descension until the very end, Granolah's is very much the opposite.

it was manipulated to go against the protagonist and good characters...basically like sasuke against naruto or itachi

a but if apart from red eyes, you add shadow clones, ninja attacks and FB use that occupy entire chapters ... you literally can't deny it

Yeah but as I said earlier Kishimoto did not invent those. They had clones before in the original dragon ball. They did have ninja attacks I found anyone remember ninja Murasaki. And even before that it’s part of Japan’s history with real shinobi and Samurai.

Murasaki is a fake ninja who had no powers... at the end of the day... my point is that it's not just 1 of those things but mixing all of that in this saga that makes the reference obvious to naruto and not DB

[JulieYBM]

it was manipulated to go against the protagonist and good characters...basically like sasuke against naruto or itachi

a but if apart from red eyes, you add shadow clones, ninja attacks and FB use that occupy entire chapters ... you literally can't deny it

Yeah but as I said earlier Kishimoto did not invent those. They had clones before in the original dragon ball. They did have ninja attacks I found anyone remember ninja Murasaki. And even before that it’s part of Japan’s history with real shinobi and Samurai.

Murasaki is a fake ninja who had no powers... at the end of the day... my point is that it's not just 1 of those things but mixing all of that in this saga that makes the reference obvious to naruto and not DB

He's a real ninja because real ninja don't have powers.

[UpFromTheSkies]

• Stories of revenge being carried out by the last surviving member of a clan aren't new and have been around long before Naruto existed
• Gas isn't using actual ninja weapons.
• Bardock is extremely popular and they are expanding on the lore around him in this arc. If you don't like him, oh well I guess? Wait for the next story arc?

[TheSaiyanGod]

Yes, because stories containing lonely avengers, magical eyes, gigantic energy avatars and weapons are exclusive to Naruto, right?

I mean, DBS was influenced by modern Shounen, I guess? This is not some breaking news

About the flashbacks, actually Naruto got this stigma more because of the anime (with the endless fillers), even tho the manga also have a decent amount of flashbacks (but the same can be said about other series anyway). Even then, it's not like the DBS manga is abusing them.

[JulieYBM]

The alternative to cartoon-original arcs was one-chapter an episode and zero time to plan the production schedule. Cartoon-original arcs (few as their are) definitely came in handy and had some really good entries to the franchise.

[Tai Lung]

Yes, because stories containing lonely avengers, magical eyes, gigantic energy avatars and weapons are exclusive to Naruto, right?

I mean, DBS was influenced by modern Shounen, I guess? This is not some breaking news

About the flashbacks, actually Naruto got this stigma more because of the anime (with the endless fillers), even tho the manga also have a decent amount of flashbacks (but the same can be said about other series anyway). Even then, it's not like the DBS manga is abusing them.

If you put all that together, yes... I would suggest that you read what you write...

It wouldn't be anything if it was just a reference... now it's cheeky

[Dragon Wukong]

If you put all that together, yes... I would suggest that you read what you write...

It wouldn't be anything if it was just a reference... now it's cheeky

You can find all of that in DC or Marvel comics though.

[KentMan]

If you put all that together, yes... I would suggest that you read what you write...

It wouldn't be anything if it was just a reference... now it's cheeky

You can find all of that in DC or Marvel comics though.

Superman holding a car Spider man holding a car anyone who knows what I mean?

[Grimlock]

Yes, because stories containing lonely avengers, magical eyes, gigantic energy avatars and weapons are exclusive to Naruto, right?

If you put all that together, yes... I would suggest that you read what you write...

Lonely avenger = Zuko.

Magical eyes = Combustion Man and P'Li.

Gigantic Energy Avatars = Korra.

Weapons = Literally any and all franchise.

Guess benders are ninjas too!

[Tai Lung]

If you put all that together, yes... I would suggest that you read what you write...

Lonely avenger = Zuko.

Magical eyes = Combustion Man and P'Li.

Gigantic Energy Avatars = Korra.

Weapons = Literally any and all franchise.

Guess benders are ninjas too!

kunais? come on show aang using a kunai as gas
avenger of his race + red eyes = sasuke
The giant energy thing would be irrelevant if it weren't for the fact that there are already other references

If you put all that together, yes... I would suggest that you read what you write...

It wouldn't be anything if it was just a reference... now it's cheeky

You can find all of that in DC or Marvel comics though.

Of the comics I've read... no

[Dragon Wukong]

You can find all of that in DC or Marvel comics though.

Of the comics I've read... no

Ghost Rider has pretty much all four of those things, either through Ghost Rider himself or one of the villains, I'm pretty dang sure. Stop being a hater, man.

[Tai Lung]

You can find all of that in DC or Marvel comics though.

Of the comics I've read... no

Ghost Rider has pretty much all four of those things, either through Ghost Rider himself or one of the villains, I'm pretty dang sure. Stop being a hater, man.

ghost rider belongs to a race of warriors which is extinct and want to avenge? no ..
ghost raider have red eyes? no.. his look of penance has a completely different function
ghost raider uses ninja weapons not ..

I would tell you to stop being a fanboy in any case ... because you are simply not giving coherent arguments

[Dragon Wukong]

ghost rider belongs to a race of warriors which is extinct and want to avenge? no ..
ghost raider have red eyes? no.. his look of penance has a completely different function
ghost raider uses ninja weapons not ..

I would tell you to stop being a fanboy in any case ... because you are simply not giving coherent arguments

Ghost Rider's whole schtick is exacting vengeance on criminals, he has magical eyes, can materialize weapons, and his antagonists have made use of energy avatars not unlike what Goku did before.

[Tai Lung]

ghost rider belongs to a race of warriors which is extinct and want to avenge? no ..
ghost raider have red eyes? no.. his look of penance has a completely different function
ghost raider uses ninja weapons not ..

I would tell you to stop being a fanboy in any case ... because you are simply not giving coherent arguments

Ghost Rider's whole schtick is exacting vengeance on criminals, he has magical eyes, can materialize weapons, and his antagonists have made use of energy avatars not unlike what Goku did before.

with the difference that ghost rider is an older character than naruto... and again there are no ninja weapons or revenge of his clan

[KentMan]

Why couldn’t it be Toyotaro please stop drawing Base Goku fat and making his neck too big
I said please instead of must no offense

[ObnoxiousNamek]

You must not read Boruto they literally have the Android saga 2.0 going on right now with many of their fans calling it out. the two nearly unstoppable androids Eida and her brother aka 18 & 17, the character Amado playing the Dr Gero role all they need now is a Cell

[Tai Lung]

You must not read Boruto they literally have the Android saga 2.0 going on right now with many of their fans calling it out. the two nearly unstoppable androids Eida and her brother aka 18 & 17, the character Amado playing the Dr Gero role all they need now is a Cell

I don't even mention that because he has been doing it since shippuden ..

[Kakarotto92]

Kishimoto didn't come up with any of that. There's been plenty of "avenger of my race/clan" characters in manga and anime before Sasuke Uchiha appeared. Kurapika from HxH comes to mind, but there's much more.

Hell, even Dragon Ball did it before Kishimoto, with characters like Baby and Hatchiyak/Dr. Raichi.
As for ninja techniques, did Gas use any shurikens (or rasenshurikens for that matter) in his latest fights?

Also, even if Toyotaro did "copy" anything, since pretty much all modern battle shounen are influenced by Dragon Ball, I don't see the problem with Toriyama's succesor doing the same with a couple ideas he likes from these modern series.

[Tai Lung]

Kishimoto didn't come up with any of that. There's been plenty of "avenger of my race/clan" characters in manga and anime before Sasuke Uchiha appeared. Kurapika from HxH comes to mind, but there's much more.

Hell, even Dragon Ball did it before Kishimoto, with characters like Baby and Hatchiyak/Dr. Raichi.
As for ninja techniques, did Gas use any shurikens (or rasenshurikens for that matter) in his latest fights?

Also, even if Toyotaro did "copy" anything, since pretty much all modern battle shounen are influenced by Dragon Ball, I don't see the problem with Toriyama's succesor doing the same with a couple ideas he likes from these modern series.

however it's not just that...granolah is being manipulated to go against the "good guys" + uses clones







It's embarrassing... naruto eww... also the battles don't feel like dragon ball at all and most importantly it's absurd... characters destroy galaxies and now using ninja weapons