Official On-Going Dragon Ball Super Movie #2 Thread: "Super Hero"

[Jiren The Alpha]

I would say that if the people in charge of Dragon Ball wanted to pull the ultimate fanservice move, they should do what No Way Home did and have DBS Goku crossover with GT Goku to fight a bunch of past movie and GT villains, but Heroes already has that covered. .

How is that even fanservice? Did people forget that GT got canceled because it was shit? Heroes is only spamming Super Saiyan 4 and thats for the Xeno characters not even the original GT characters lol.

Just like how Super got cancelled because it's shit, right?

Sorry, can't type right now, I'm watching Super on the street with thousands of people and my internet is crashing for some reason.

[Skar]

I hear that in Japan, GT's ratings weren't really good, but also that Z itself in the end also didn't really have good ratings, it's possible that GT's ratings were meh partially because they were having a DB fatigue.

Also from what I hear, GT was originally planned to end in Baby saga, and got extended, though whether or not Super 17 and Shadow Dragons were considered so bad it cancelled GT, I can't say, but I didn't get the feeling that the ending was that rushed, but who knows.

That's what I was thinking. It might be a misconception that a series must've been canceled if it doesn't continue indefinitely. Fans were making that argument for DBS that it was guaranteed to continue the following year because it was making too much money but still no new anime four years later. I think it's more of a Hollywood thing of pushing a series until it really does get canceled while in Japan they're more willing to just let it end.

[sigmasigma]

Super Hero @ Anime Japan 2022

[capsulecorp]

I think one thing that explains a lot of people's negative reaction to the idea of another returning or reinterpreted villain or is the fact that so much of the appeal and success of Dragon Ball (and Toriyama's work more broadly) is his character designs. He's responsible for so many iconic characters, not just Arale, Goku and Piccolo but also Chrono Trigger, countless Dragon Quest monsters and more.

The Toei films and the DBS series haven't done great in this regard (characters like Elec or Zamasu or Cold don't really have that iconic Toriyama spark, not to mention the mostly forgettable TOP crowd), but the DBS films have done really well. Yes, Broly is a reinterpretation but his story and his design are vastly more interesting than the original... and of course Whis and Beerus are beloved "instant classics".

I think what people want and expect from additional DBS films is more of those kinds of unexpected, exciting, visually appealing new Toriyama-created characters... and at least for me, the DBS Super Hero androids do fit the bill, far more than more Toei characters would.

[SupremeKai25]

I would say that if the people in charge of Dragon Ball wanted to pull the ultimate fanservice move, they should do what No Way Home did and have DBS Goku crossover with GT Goku to fight a bunch of past movie and GT villains, but Heroes already has that covered. .

How is that even fanservice? Did people forget that GT got canceled because it was shit? Heroes is only spamming Super Saiyan 4 and thats for the Xeno characters not even the original GT characters lol.

Just like how Super got cancelled because it's shit, right?

Yeah dude, it was so shit that streaming sites regularly broke because of how many people were tuning in to watch it.

[Lukmendes]

That's what I was thinking. It might be a misconception that a series must've been canceled if it doesn't continue indefinitely. Fans were making that argument for DBS that it was guaranteed to continue the following year because it was making too much money but still no new anime four years later. I think it's more of a Hollywood thing of pushing a series until it really does get canceled while in Japan they're more willing to just let it end.

It's probably because of DB/Z and One Piece that people think GT and Super got cancelled, since the anime of DB and Z didn't stop at all, and GT ended pretty fast by comparison, and by the time Super ended, One Piece was still going with its anime.

I think people assume it got cancelled because, compared to something else, it stopped, and that's faulty reasoning, we don't know why Toei decided to stop Super when they could've found a way to keep milking it, but, they decided to stop, doesn't mean it got cancelled.

The Toei films and the DBS series haven't done great in this regard (characters like Elec or Zamasu or Cold don't really have that iconic Toriyama spark, not to mention the mostly forgettable TOP crowd),

I assume you mean Frost, 'cause Cold is a Toriyama creation.

but the DBS films have done really well. Yes, Broly is a reinterpretation but his story and his design are vastly more interesting than the original... and of course Whis and Beerus are beloved "instant classics".

I think what people want and expect from additional DBS films is more of those kinds of unexpected, exciting, visually appealing new Toriyama-created characters... and at least for me, the DBS Super Hero androids do fit the bill, far more than more Toei characters would.

It's both really, Super brought back Freeza and rewrote Broly, that gives people the expectation of other characters returning or becoming canon to Super, because Super itself shows it's willing to do so, at the same time, Super also introduced new stuff that people like too.

Honestly, if other villains are rewritten to fit into Super, I think there should other characters being introduced in between, Freeza returned, we got Super's anime that introduced U6, Zamasu, and Jiren, then we got Broly, if, say, Bojack is the next villain they're gonna make canon to Super, then I think we should get other stuff between Broly and him, that way the rehashing isn't as noticeable.

I would prefer no rehashing though (Don't really care that much about Super Broly, and I find it silly that he's practically another character using Broly's name for the sake of brand recognition), but hey, at least this way it'd be less annoying.

[WittyUsername]

GT most definitely has a fanbase, especially concerning Super Saiyan 4. It’s ridiculous to act like no one would want to see that in a new movie.

[Lukmendes]

GT most definitely has a fanbase, especially concerning Super Saiyan 4. It’s ridiculous to act like no one would want to see that in a new movie.

Super Broly itself is evidence of this, as plenty of people liked Broly's "Oozaru base form" because it's a similar idea to SS4.

[ZeroNeonix]

I would say that if the people in charge of Dragon Ball wanted to pull the ultimate fanservice move, they should do what No Way Home did and have DBS Goku crossover with GT Goku to fight a bunch of past movie and GT villains, but Heroes already has that covered. .

How is that even fanservice? Did people forget that GT got canceled because it was shit? Heroes is only spamming Super Saiyan 4 and thats for the Xeno characters not even the original GT characters lol.

That only makes the comparison to Spider-Man even more appropriate. The Amazing Spider-Man was originally supposed to be a trilogy at least, but it never got its third movie. Years later, No Way Home comes along, and now everybody loves that version of Spider-Man. I see some people even suggesting that Marvel go back and make a third movie in his universe.

But no, I don't want those kinds of crossovers in any official capacity. Leave that kind of thing to Heroes. I'd be fine with them canonizing Super Saiyan 4 in Super, though. It would be an appropriate transformation for DBS Broly.

[Jord]

How is that even fanservice? Did people forget that GT got canceled because it was shit? Heroes is only spamming Super Saiyan 4 and thats for the Xeno characters not even the original GT characters lol.

Just like how Super got cancelled because it's shit, right?

Sorry, can't type right now, I'm watching Super on the street with thousands of people and my internet is crashing for some reason.

You can say whatever you want but it got cancelled. The DBS anime was a product. It would not be cancelled if it was making the profit they were aiming for. Economics 101.
Financial reports after it's cancellation confirmed that the brand didn't need the DBS anime to make a hefty profit.

[Skar]

You can say whatever you want but it got cancelled. The DBS anime was a product. It would not be cancelled if it was making the profit they were aiming for. Economics 101.
Financial reports after it's cancellation confirmed that the brand didn't need the DBS anime to make a hefty profit.

It wasn't really canceled since the story continued in films and manga. There are plent of successful series that ended and that's more common than a studio attempting to continue it forever until it gets canceled.

[Grimlock]

I don't want those kinds of crossovers in any official capacity. Leave that kind of thing to Heroes

Would you believe if Heroes was an official capacity?

[SupremeKai25]

Just like how Super got cancelled because it's shit, right?

Sorry, can't type right now, I'm watching Super on the street with thousands of people and my internet is crashing for some reason.

You can say whatever you want but it got cancelled. The DBS anime was a product. It would not be cancelled if it was making the profit they were aiming for. Economics 101.
Financial reports after it's cancellation confirmed that the brand didn't need the DBS anime to make a hefty profit.

You're literally wrong though. DBS overtook One Piece in terms of ratings, it was factually one of Toei's most profitable series.

Sources:

https://www.crunchyroll.com/en-gb/anime ... se-ratings

https://comicbook.com/anime/news/dragon ... e-ratings/

[Jord]

Sorry, can't type right now, I'm watching Super on the street with thousands of people and my internet is crashing for some reason.

You can say whatever you want but it got cancelled. The DBS anime was a product. It would not be cancelled if it was making the profit they were aiming for. Economics 101.
Financial reports after it's cancellation confirmed that the brand didn't need the DBS anime to make a hefty profit.

You're literally wrong though. DBS overtook One Piece in terms of ratings, it was factually one of Toei's most profitable series.

Sources:

https://www.crunchyroll.com/en-gb/anime ... se-ratings

https://comicbook.com/anime/news/dragon ... e-ratings/

I wrote after it's cancellation. Just look at the yearly financial reports from TOEI after the anime ended.

[capsulecorp]

Just like how Super got cancelled because it's shit, right?

Sorry, can't type right now, I'm watching Super on the street with thousands of people and my internet is crashing for some reason.

You can say whatever you want but it got cancelled. The DBS anime was a product. It would not be cancelled if it was making the profit they were aiming for. Economics 101.
Financial reports after it's cancellation confirmed that the brand didn't need the DBS anime to make a hefty profit.

This is not Economics 101. Companies sell products at a loss all the time, and they stop selling profitable product for a variety of reasons (opportunity cost, for example).

[The Monkey King]

I wrote after it's cancellation. Just look at the yearly financial reports from TOEI after the anime ended.

Yeah... that was after the anime brought the property back to the forefront of the public consciousness lol, that's what anime series are designed to do, that's why Toei made DB Kai after Toriyama refused to make a new DB anime series around 2007-2008.

Comparing sales before and after the Dragon Ball Super's anime's debut would be a better comparison.

If DBS was such a huge disappointment for Toei why would they give it a movie within the same year that it ended?

On that note, look at just how insanely well DBS Broly did profits wise.

You're DBS Hateboner is clearly obscuring your ability to think logically, did you expect profits to crash a year after the anime ended or something??

I doubt you could pass a class on "Ec0NOmiCS 1o1" if you tried

[SupremeKai25]

You can say whatever you want but it got cancelled. The DBS anime was a product. It would not be cancelled if it was making the profit they were aiming for. Economics 101.
Financial reports after it's cancellation confirmed that the brand didn't need the DBS anime to make a hefty profit.

You're literally wrong though. DBS overtook One Piece in terms of ratings, it was factually one of Toei's most profitable series.

Sources:

https://www.crunchyroll.com/en-gb/anime ... se-ratings

https://comicbook.com/anime/news/dragon ... e-ratings/

I wrote after it's cancellation. Just look at the yearly financial reports from TOEI after the anime ended.

No You said that it was not making enough profit and that's why it was cancelled. You are proven factually wrong by statistics.

DBS at the time of it airing became Toei's most profitable series, surpassing even One Piece, and that's simply a fact. It ended for Story reasons, certainly not because it wasn't profitable enough, that's laughable when the numbers show us otherwise.

[ZeroNeonix]

I don't want those kinds of crossovers in any official capacity. Leave that kind of thing to Heroes

Would you believe if Heroes was an official capacity?

Okay, smartass. I obviously meant canon. Heroes is obviously not canon to the main series, to Super, or to GT. It's just the place where they throw all their fanservice ideas.

[Grimlock]

Come on, give up on that nonsensical idea already. And I'm sure they throw all kinds of fanservice in the other series you mentioned too, especially the latest one.

[FatLee]

Just like how Super got cancelled because it's shit, right?

Sorry, can't type right now, I'm watching Super on the street with thousands of people and my internet is crashing for some reason.

You can say whatever you want but it got cancelled. The DBS anime was a product. It would not be cancelled if it was making the profit they were aiming for. Economics 101.
Financial reports after it's cancellation confirmed that the brand didn't need the DBS anime to make a hefty profit.

Other than the fact that Broly released in 2019 in theatres worldwide, you're not really all that correct: https://comicbook.com/anime/news/dragon ... opularity/