ZeroNeonix wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:04 pmUh... No? There is quite a wide range when it comes to fanservice. There's good fanservice and bad fanservice. If it serves the story and feels natural, and it is executed well, it's good fanservice. When Tobey McGuire and Andrew Garfield showed up in No Way Home, that was definitely fanservice. Was it good? Yes. Or to stick to a Dragon Ball example, the Dragon Ball Super: Broly was pure fanservice. It takes the most popular movie villain and canonizes them for Super. I was skeptical of the movie immediately, but the execution in my opinion was good enough that I ended up not minding it. It wasn't on the same level as No Way Home, but it was still good.
But as you said yourself, it's your opinion. I'm not here to discuss it, it's fine whatever you think or deem "good", "bad", "well executed", "bad executed" fanservice. But whatever feels natural to you may not feel as natural to someone else. Believe or not, I have seen people saying Maguire's and Garfield's appearances were nothing more than "fanservice". While others presented counter arguments explaining why their appearances were not merely "fanservice".
In short, this is all subjective. But the issue begins when, as I said it, you target one specific work when other related works do the same. You can't complain about Heroes' fanservice without even acknowledging that Dragon Ball Super does exactly the same thing. And while you can say Heroes does a poor job at it, I say Dragon Ball Super manages to do just as bad (maybe even worse). See how pointless this is? In the end, we're all in the same boat (possibly about to sink).
By the way, I also disagree that "Dragon Ball Super is more grounded than Heroes". I think what the game is doing should be the "standard" Dragon Ball of modern times. I mean, Dragon Ball is not afraid to take Superman's origin stories and give to its own protagonist and other popular ideas, why couldn't it take some inspiration from Spider-Man No Way Home (
i.e. comics in general) too?
ZeroNeonix wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:04 pmI'd argue Heroes is in a space between, in part because of the expectations I have going into it. I don't expect compelling storytelling when it comes to Heroes. The story literally doesn't matter. The series exists solely to provide fanservice (and advertise the game of the same name), so it's fine. If Heroes type content started showing up in Super, that'd destroy my ability to keep it seriously.
I don't expect compelling storytelling from anything when it comes to Dragon Ball. The story, almost always, never mattered (we got a movie that rushed the compelling part just so we could get as quickly as possible to the flashy battles that lasted over forty minutes). Now if the standard approach for Dragon Ball is to never expect compelling storytelling, why would any of us keep complaining about it? Also, if Dragon Ball Super type of content level continues to be this low, that would destroy any and all attachment I ever had to the series (unfortunately, I can't even say Dragon Ball is my favorite series anymore thanks to that).