QuakingStar wrote: ↑Sun Apr 24, 2022 12:11 am
Korru wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 12:21 pm
QuakingStar wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:18 pm
Ok, so anybody find anything new on Super Saiyan 4? I'm not talking about fan multiplier speculation.
I can help with that
So you found new translations or information on the form?
Quite a bit but not sure if its repeating whats already said ( and yes, I did rad all the pages for this thread up until this point )
1). When GT Goten and GT Trunks suggested to SSJ4 Goku that they should do fusion to help confront against Golden Oozaru Bebi Vegeta, Goku immediate said that it won't work - further saying that his SSJ4 transformation was their best chance. This would to suggest that the multiplier for SSJ4 multiplier is bigger than [Metamoran Fusion x SSJ3] ( since GT Trunks and GT Goten was referring to Gotenks ). One would argue that its likely because of the differences in Base Forms ( Base GT Trunks & Base GT Goten in comparison Base GT Goku ) , but there's ample evidence to show how strong the Base forms of GT Trunks and GT Goten.
To put it simply, baring in mind that DBGT follows that logic of [Kid Buu > Buuhan], ... GT Trunks and GT Goten are beyond "The Strongest Buu" too ...
Heavily Suppressed Base GT Goten > Teen Bebi > Infant Bebi > Metal Rild > Hyper Meta Rild > Base Rild > Suppressed Base Rild> Sigma Force > Lord Luud Stage 3 > Lord Luud Stage 2 > Lord Luud > Redgic > Uub (Beginning of GT) > Base GT Goku (Beginning of GT) > Base Goku ( End of Original DBZ ) > Young Uub = Kid Buu = DBZ SSJ3 Goku > Enraged Buuhan > Buuhan
... But not close enough to challenge Base Goku as shown when Bebi arrives on Earth via
Suppressed Base GT Goku > SSJ GT Vegeta
> SSJ Bebi Gohan > SSJ GT Gohan > Base GT Gohan > Suppressed Base GT Gohan = SSJ Bebi Goten > SSJ GT Goten > Base GT Goten > Suppressed Base GT Goten > Heavily Suppressed Base GT Goten > Teen Bebi > etc ...
Bebi's infection gains is approx. x8 ... then stack that with a few x50 ..
You basically conclude that , at the very least it would be considerably better than one might initially think.
If you still don't believe that GT Goten and GT Trunks aren't that strong then remember that ... [a] despite Infant Bebi being far stronger than the strongest buu, Infant Bebi said that SSJ GT Trunks' Ki is "bottomless" compared to his own Ki. And
GT Trunks' Ki is comparable to GT Goten's Ki because they are sparring partners - they're rivals to each other. Plus, we also see GT Trunks saving GT Goku's life from Mutchi - all of this to prove that, while GT Goku's Base form is stronger than GT Trunks' base form and GT Goten's base form, ... its not a deafening/huge difference
Comparatively-wise ... ( and re-iterate and/or to summarize )
The V-Jump article claiming that Potara Fusion and Metamoran Fusion being is questionable and might solely be for dBs continuity.
But then again one would have to consider the resulting situation that puts the SSJ4 transformation in .. via ...
SSJ4 multiplier is officially stated to be similar to Goku using Potara Fusion with Vegeta ( so imagine a hypothetical Potara Fusion (of Goku and Vegeta) happening in the Bebi Saga instead of SSJ4 ) .. WHILE considering that not even a hypothetical SSJ3 GT Gotenks occurring in the Bebi Saga was not deemed enough Vs. SSJ4 being far stronger.
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