Super's role in Toei's restructuring?

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Super's role in Toei's restructuring?

Post by CashmanX » Sat Oct 08, 2022 11:36 pm

We all know about Supers production woes during it's first half, but is there any truth to the idea that it by itself lead to a change in how Toei does approaches preproduction with their shows? Or was it merely the straw that broke the camels back after ending up like Sailor Moon Crystal? I even remember a Forbes article questioning what exactly was happening and I believe a Japanese article (Asahi? Mainichi?) wondering about the "animation collapse".
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Re: Super's role in Toei's restructuring?

Post by JulieYBM » Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:22 am

CashmanX wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 11:36 pm We all know about Supers production woes during it's first half, but is there any truth to the idea that it by itself lead to a change in how Toei does approaches preproduction with their shows? Or was it merely the straw that broke the camels back after ending up like Sailor Moon Crystal? I even remember a Forbes article questioning what exactly was happening and I believe a Japanese article (Asahi? Mainichi?) wondering about the "animation collapse".
I believe the issue was—in addition to rushing so many projects into production at once—the issue was also in part due to the studio going through a massive renovation and then move over to a new facility. The new facility has allowed for the workflow and communication to improve a lot compared to the mid-2010s.
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Re: Super's role in Toei's restructuring?

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JulieYBM wrote: Sun Oct 09, 2022 1:22 am
CashmanX wrote: Sat Oct 08, 2022 11:36 pm We all know about Supers production woes during it's first half, but is there any truth to the idea that it by itself lead to a change in how Toei does approaches preproduction with their shows? Or was it merely the straw that broke the camels back after ending up like Sailor Moon Crystal? I even remember a Forbes article questioning what exactly was happening and I believe a Japanese article (Asahi? Mainichi?) wondering about the "animation collapse".
I believe the issue was—in addition to rushing so many projects into production at once—the issue was also in part due to the studio going through a massive renovation and then move over to a new facility. The new facility has allowed for the workflow and communication to improve a lot compared to the mid-2010s.
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Re: Super's role in Toei's restructuring?

Post by FortuneSSJ » Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:33 pm

I don't think it was the only reason, but it was the last straw. For years Toei was been criticized for their lackluster TV productions, including One Piece post-timeskip episodes.

Then they decide to do a new DB TV series after all these years and it also looks bad, but due to DB being a worldwide phenomenon the buzz around it is much bigger. Search "Dragon Ball Super Animation" or even just "bad animation" on google and you still get a lot of images of episode 5...

The fact that DBS was airing at the same time than the well done season 1 from One Punch Man didn't help.
Saitama trying to kill a mosquito felt more powerful than any DBS fight...
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Re: Super's role in Toei's restructuring?

Post by MeMeDZEHH » Tue Oct 11, 2022 2:30 am

FortuneSSJ wrote: Mon Oct 10, 2022 4:33 pm I don't think it was the only reason, but it was the last straw. For years Toei was been criticized for their lackluster TV productions, including One Piece post-timeskip episodes.

Then they decide to do a new DB TV series after all these years and it also looks bad, but due to DB being a worldwide phenomenon the buzz around it is much bigger. Search "Dragon Ball Super Animation" or even just "bad animation" on google and you still get a lot of images of episode 5...

The fact that DBS was airing at the same time than the well done season 1 from One Punch Man didn't help.
Saitama trying to kill a mosquito felt more powerful than any DBS fight...
That's the cap my friend. I agree that OPM season 1 was crazy because of the amazing staff, but you don't have to cap like that :lol: . And I must add that if I had to take an example, Mob psycho is better because OPM season 2 was not half as good as season 1 since they had the same scheduling problem as DBS.

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Re: Super's role in Toei's restructuring?

Post by JulieYBM » Tue Oct 11, 2022 3:43 am

Every season of Mob is better than One-Punch Man. Not only is the animation and directing better but so os the writing. The currently airing third season was completed ahead or broadcast, even, making the scheduling much better.
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