Love interest are overrated now in dbs.

[greatapebroly]

I find it very dumb when badass characters like vegeta trunks and broly all end up with a fucking love interest and neither of them make sense and I feel like i'm gonna trigger people but i don't care. And this is a long post so i don't recommend reading if you're the type to whine about how "you're not reading all that"

So,

Vegeta was like the rawest n!gga in the show besides kid gohan before Bulma got to him. Don't get me wrong he was still pretty cold when he boxed 19 and became a majin but he lost his swag after he became a soft family man in super.

Bulma invited vegeta(the guy who orchestrated her boyfriends death) live with her and now she has a kid with him( no i'm not gonna use the joke that she saw him eat up gohan and thought he was cute. that's anime only.) And now vegeta is just a joke. Don't believe me ? Look at BoG. This man is shook by Beerus bc he plunked his father out over a pillow and now he's dancing on stage doing twirls and singing. Man I get it Beerus is a GoD but was all that necessary ? Bro could've just be scared and decided to not fuck with him but let everyone else know to not fuck with him until Kakarot got there.

And don't forget the corny ass "THATS MY WIFE" when Bulma lost all her genius and slapped the obvious alien who had her husband and his friends shook. Now out of the blue vegeta forgets his PTSD and can finally box him one on one .

Broly was just that n!gga but super did a famous asspull and created this "it's okay guys hell listen to me" green thing for broly. but seriously she pulled a "hey *snap fingers* listen to me broly this isn't you" when she said "broly isn't like that he's a pure hearted saiyan". uh girly what do you think pure hearted saiyans were besides the one who hit his head as a kid. Cheelai and Lemo were just terrible additions to the story.

And trunks. Man oh man trunks. I like trunks in Z and i held him on a high badass tier bc i didn't read the manga yet. After i did i noticed they made up his fight against cell and the fact that he blew vegeta away when he attacked him but he was still that nigga to me bc he killed frieza and freed his future.

Anyways got off track. Trunks somehow ends up with Mai of all people and somehow this woman isn't dead when she takes a blast head on from Goku Black; who was Zamasu; a kai. And don't even get me started with the fact that he has a whole inuyasha relationship going on with her in the present. I actually wouldn't have cared if toriyama or toyotaro made up a whole new character for trunks instead of using another asspull.

If i weren't tired of typing I would rant about gohan but I know he's just following his passion lol. But Videl really tickled his bootyhole bc you saw how he was when frieza came back

That whole arc sucked ass btw.

[JulieYBM]

It was really hot when Vegeta got mad at Beers for being an asshole and slapping Blooma. I wish all the couples got more lovey-dovey scenes between the various fights. Those sort of scenes are always so cute. The weird aversion to men showing attraction to their wives in this series is really boring and just repeats the usual toxic masculinity we see in a lot of media—especially media aimed at a supposed 'male'—audience. I think it would be a lot more fun for these practices to stop and the characters to be allowed to deepen so that the fights have more exciting emotional depth hinging on them.

[PurestEvil]

Vegeta going THAT'S MY BULMA was one of his best character moments, though!? It showed how much he had improved as a person from DBZ and it had him overcome his "ptsd" regarding Beerus. It was an act of courage, about as "manly" as you can get.

[MasenkoHA]

I I feel like i'm gonna trigger people but i don't care.

Damn is it 2016 again? Are we back to people being obsessed with the word "triggered"?

Vegeta was like the rawest n!gga in the show besides kid gohan before Bulma got to him. Don't get me wrong he was still pretty cold when he boxed 19 and became a majin but he lost his swag after he became a soft family man in super.

My guy, that is what we call....growth.

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And don't forget the corny ass "THATS MY WIFE" when Bulma lost all her genius and slapped the obvious alien who had her husband and his friends shook. Now out of the blue vegeta forgets his PTSD and can finally box him one on one .

>Complains about Vegeta being a joke and going soft

>Complains about Vegeta boxing a God of Destruction

Make it make sense

And trunks. Man oh man trunks. I like trunks in Z and i held him on a high badass tier bc i didn't read the manga yet. After i did i noticed they made up his fight against cell and the fact that he blew vegeta away when he attacked him but he was still that nigga to me bc he killed frieza and freed his future.

Ironically Trunks wouldn't exist if that Vegeta and Bulma relationship that you're against never happened.

If i weren't tired of typing I would rant about gohan but I know he's just following his passion lol. But Videl really tickled his bootyhole bc you saw how he was when frieza came back

We're not really gonna blame Videl for a character trend for Gohan that started before he even met her, are we?



Look, I don't want to make too many assumptions but based on your few post you come across as someone who listens to a loooot of Andrew Tate and the like.

[greatapebroly]

I I feel like i'm gonna trigger people but i don't care.

Damn is it 2016 again? Are we back to people being obsessed with the word "triggered"?

Vegeta was like the rawest n!gga in the show besides kid gohan before Bulma got to him. Don't get me wrong he was still pretty cold when he boxed 19 and became a majin but he lost his swag after he became a soft family man in super.

My guy, that is what we call....growth.

.

And don't forget the corny ass "THATS MY WIFE" when Bulma lost all her genius and slapped the obvious alien who had her husband and his friends shook. Now out of the blue vegeta forgets his PTSD and can finally box him one on one .

>Complains about Vegeta being a joke and going soft

>Complains about Vegeta boxing a God of Destruction

Make it make sense

And trunks. Man oh man trunks. I like trunks in Z and i held him on a high badass tier bc i didn't read the manga yet. After i did i noticed they made up his fight against cell and the fact that he blew vegeta away when he attacked him but he was still that nigga to me bc he killed frieza and freed his future.

Ironically Trunks wouldn't exist if that Vegeta and Bulma relationship that you're against never happened.

If i weren't tired of typing I would rant about gohan but I know he's just following his passion lol. But Videl really tickled his bootyhole bc you saw how he was when frieza came back

We're not really gonna blame Videl for a character trend for Gohan that started before he even met her, are we?



Look, I don't want to make too many assumptions but based on your few post you come across as someone who listens to a loooot of Andrew Tate and the like.

Andrew state was the best you could come up with ? Nothing in my old posts(if i even have any) prove I listen to andrew they prove i watch dbz. And the word trigger has been back "popular" again. maybe come out of your mothers attic and you'll see it.

And fun fact I really don't care if trunks existed or not. I also don't care if that's growth or not i'm allowed to expressed me detest towards a show i watch. Going from a badass to an out of character softie isn't growth that's "nerfing".

Especially when that show has turned into a teen titans go version of itself

And how did you miss the sarcasm in the Videl comment. I literally said she tickled this man bootyhole and you took it to heart. Even after I said he's just following his passion. I was right you do need to come out of your cave.

And(yes another) Ofc i'm gonna complain about him boxing a god of destruction when he was just pissing his pants two seconds ago. Super is shit. And since when was it a crime to express any dislike towards one of the coldest characters going soft ? Make it make sense

N!gga really chose Andrew Tate bc I think love interest are shitty ideas when it comes to characters who don't even seem like they'd get married

[greatapebroly]

It was really hot when Vegeta got mad at Beers for being an asshole and slapping Blooma. I wish all the couples got more lovey-dovey scenes between the various fights. Those sort of scenes are always so cute. The weird aversion to men showing attraction to their wives in this series is really boring and just repeats the usual toxic masculinity we see in a lot of media—especially media aimed at a supposed 'male'—audience. I think it would be a lot more fun for these practices to stop and the characters to be allowed to deepen so that the fights have more exciting emotional depth hinging on them.

this is dragon ball not a romance vegeta never was a lovey dovey person this is just toei being toei so of course i'm not gonna be on board with it. I wouldn't even care if Goku or Gohan did it because that's more their character. Is that a problem to you since you're somehow on this post too

[Super Saiyan Swagger]

Did I log on to Twitter or Kanzenshuu?

[TheGreatness25]

In the most respectful way possible, I'll just say that I disagree. I don't think that the relationships are the kiss of death for Super. I think that Super is just plagued with ooor writing and quite honestly, I don't think that the main protagonists are all that likeable. Goku was so fun in Dragon Ball and he was great in Z. But he's just so unlikable in Super. I think that Vegeta's relationship with Bulma is pretty much where it should be. I got over the Trunks/Mai relationship. Sure it's weird, but it's not like she diddled a child... Well, at least I'm sure that wasn't Toriyama's intent.

I don't know, I just don't think that the relationships are the problem here.

[Cure Dragon 255]

Found what you are looking for topic creator!

[JulieYBM]

It was really hot when Vegeta got mad at Beers for being an asshole and slapping Blooma. I wish all the couples got more lovey-dovey scenes between the various fights. Those sort of scenes are always so cute. The weird aversion to men showing attraction to their wives in this series is really boring and just repeats the usual toxic masculinity we see in a lot of media—especially media aimed at a supposed 'male'—audience. I think it would be a lot more fun for these practices to stop and the characters to be allowed to deepen so that the fights have more exciting emotional depth hinging on them.

this is dragon ball not a romance vegeta never was a lovey dovey person this is just toei being toei so of course i'm not gonna be on board with it. I wouldn't even care if Goku or Gohan did it because that's more their character. Is that a problem to you since you're somehow on this post too

Well, it's Toei's cartoon, they should be able to break away from Toriyama.

Anyway, Vegeta unexpectedly getting a romance was neat. It lets any female fans attracted to him to self-insert! I would personally prefer to see him have a romance with Gokuu, too!

[goku the krump dancer]

Did I log on to Twitter or Kanzenshuu?

Every now and again they become interchangeable.

[greatapebroly]

It was really hot when Vegeta got mad at Beers for being an asshole and slapping Blooma. I wish all the couples got more lovey-dovey scenes between the various fights. Those sort of scenes are always so cute. The weird aversion to men showing attraction to their wives in this series is really boring and just repeats the usual toxic masculinity we see in a lot of media—especially media aimed at a supposed 'male'—audience. I think it would be a lot more fun for these practices to stop and the characters to be allowed to deepen so that the fights have more exciting emotional depth hinging on them.

this is dragon ball not a romance vegeta never was a lovey dovey person this is just toei being toei so of course i'm not gonna be on board with it. I wouldn't even care if Goku or Gohan did it because that's more their character. Is that a problem to you since you're somehow on this post too

Well, it's Toei's cartoon, they should be able to break away from Toriyama.

Anyway, Vegeta unexpectedly getting a romance was neat. It lets any female fans attracted to him to self-insert! I would personally prefer to see him have a romance with Gokuu, too!

It really doesn't open the way for that since fans will use their imagination either way. It's toei cartoon but everything belongs to toriyama and for super i know he handed a lot over to toryotaro and he isn't that good

[JulieYBM]

this is dragon ball not a romance vegeta never was a lovey dovey person this is just toei being toei so of course i'm not gonna be on board with it. I wouldn't even care if Goku or Gohan did it because that's more their character. Is that a problem to you since you're somehow on this post too

Well, it's Toei's cartoon, they should be able to break away from Toriyama.

Anyway, Vegeta unexpectedly getting a romance was neat. It lets any female fans attracted to him to self-insert! I would personally prefer to see him have a romance with Gokuu, too!

It really doesn't open the way for that since fans will use their imagination either way. It's toei cartoon but everything belongs to toriyama and for super i know he handed a lot over to toryotaro and he isn't that good

It's Toei's cartoon. They made it, not Toriyama. What Toriyama thinks should not be the end-all-be-all ofnthe individual persons view of an adaption.

[Jiren The Alpha]

Please Kanzenshuu, don't ban him, he is too funny

[greatapebroly]

Well, it's Toei's cartoon, they should be able to break away from Toriyama.

Anyway, Vegeta unexpectedly getting a romance was neat. It lets any female fans attracted to him to self-insert! I would personally prefer to see him have a romance with Gokuu, too!

It really doesn't open the way for that since fans will use their imagination either way. It's toei cartoon but everything belongs to toriyama and for super i know he handed a lot over to toryotaro and he isn't that good

It's Toei's cartoon. They made it, not Toriyama. What Toriyama thinks should not be the end-all-be-all ofnthe individual persons view of an adaption.

toriyama made dragon ball dragon ball z dragon ball gt and some of super toei just animated it so if anything say that

[TheGreatness25]

Well, it's Toei's cartoon, they should be able to break away from Toriyama.

Anyway, Vegeta unexpectedly getting a romance was neat. It lets any female fans attracted to him to self-insert! I would personally prefer to see him have a romance with Gokuu, too!

It really doesn't open the way for that since fans will use their imagination either way. It's toei cartoon but everything belongs to toriyama and for super i know he handed a lot over to toryotaro and he isn't that good

It's Toei's cartoon. They made it, not Toriyama. What Toriyama thinks should not be the end-all-be-all ofnthe individual persons view of an adaption.

See, I personally don't think that a work should be morphed into something it's not supposed to be. Obviously taking Dragon Ball in that direction would be going against the tone and storytelling that has been laid out so far. And if you're looking to fundamentally change the work, then what makes you a fan of it to begin with? Please don't get me wrong--I'm not saying you aren't a fan because you want the story to fundamentally change, but I am saying that obviously if someone is a fan of the series, it's because the story had some elements that resonated with that person. Changing the tone, feel, and style of the storytelling down to the cellular level like that could: (1) put the writer(s) outside their comfort zone and possibly make the story feel forced, and (2) alienate established fans.

Personally, I have no interest in anything like that. I enjoy Dragon Ball for what it is. Yes, it's very shallow, but that's what I like about it. It's mindless entertainment. I wouldn't want it to steer into this romance novel.

With that said, the small brushes of "romance" that Dragon Ball did have, I'm cool with. I just don't need them to get lost in the weeds over romance versus whooping some evil villain. That's just more appealing to me for Dragon Ball. I can get romance from a billion other outlets.

[Yuji]

Leaving aside the reactionary language, I do agree that Super seems to focus much more on romance than the original series, much to its detriment. Toriyama has never been good at romance and I find his original approach of pairing characters with less unsaid than said more appealing.

I also agree that Vegeta's development seems to have stagnated and lodged itself to his attachment to his family, which is why I appreciate how the Moro and Granolah arcs found new avenues to explore the character.

[Majin Buu]

See, I personally don't think that a work should be morphed into something it's not supposed to be. Obviously taking Dragon Ball in that direction would be going against the tone and storytelling that has been laid out so far. And if you're looking to fundamentally change the work, then what makes you a fan of it to begin with? Please don't get me wrong--I'm not saying you aren't a fan because you want the story to fundamentally change, but I am saying that obviously if someone is a fan of the series, it's because the story had some elements that resonated with that person. Changing the tone, feel, and style of the storytelling down to the cellular level like that could: (1) put the writer(s) outside their comfort zone and possibly make the story feel forced, and (2) alienate established fans.

Personally, I have no interest in anything like that. I enjoy Dragon Ball for what it is. Yes, it's very shallow, but that's what I like about it. It's mindless entertainment. I wouldn't want it to steer into this romance novel.

I largely agree. So many Dragon Ball fans seem to want Dragon Ball to not be Dragon Ball. What they want is something that looks like Dragon Ball, has Dragon Ball's world and characters, but functions completely differently as a story. I say it time and again, but if I want something that Dragon Ball isn't giving me, I just look for a different story that provides it. I don't need Dragon Ball to become something it isn't.

As for romance, I don't have a problem with the romances in the original series (Gohan and Videl is my favorite Dragon Ball romance BTW). The Dragon Ball romance I actually hate is Trunks and Mai in Super, and that's because of how inherently problematic it is at its foundation. I'd rather Trunks just remain single than have his young self shipped with a grown ass woman stuck in the body of a child that clearly still has the mind of a grown ass woman.

[Jord]

I agree. There isn't any romance storyline in the whole of Dragon Ball that feels organic. Instead they feel forced and detract from the story. It doesn't help that much of the actual romance happens off screen. Show, don't tell.
Suddenly we have to believe that Vegeta and Bulma are a couple? The only reason the audience believes it is because a time traveller from the future tells us, which is the flimsiest excuse for character development.

[JulieYBM]

See, I personally don't think that a work should be morphed into something it's not supposed to be. Obviously taking Dragon Ball in that direction would be going against the tone and storytelling that has been laid out so far. And if you're looking to fundamentally change the work, then what makes you a fan of it to begin with? Please don't get me wrong--I'm not saying you aren't a fan because you want the story to fundamentally change, but I am saying that obviously if someone is a fan of the series, it's because the story had some elements that resonated with that person. Changing the tone, feel, and style of the storytelling down to the cellular level like that could: (1) put the writer(s) outside their comfort zone and possibly make the story feel forced, and (2) alienate established fans.

Personally, I have no interest in anything like that. I enjoy Dragon Ball for what it is. Yes, it's very shallow, but that's what I like about it. It's mindless entertainment. I wouldn't want it to steer into this romance novel.

With that said, the small brushes of "romance" that Dragon Ball did have, I'm cool with. I just don't need them to get lost in the weeds over romance versus whooping some evil villain. That's just more appealing to me for Dragon Ball. I can get romance from a billion other outlets.

I don't think any of Dragon Ball's flaws (treatment of women, queer characters, character writing¹ etc) are fundamental pieces of what make Dragon Ball what it is, though (nor do I think those things are even appropriate elements for a work aimed at kids). Furthermore, so much of Dragon Ball as an entire franchise is driven in large and small ways by people other than Toriyama that to try and prop him up as some sole creative authority the way fans do is pretty silly. Perhaps the broad strokes of non-Toriyama contributors aren't as bold as others but they're still nevertheless pieces of the franchise contributed by those people who are not Toriyama. I think it's really silly to ask an entire production team for an animated series not to inject their own ideas into a cartoon they are literally killing themselves for slave wages to make. Toriyama made maintain legal rights as the creator but that doesn't mean it should influence how we approach how we are critical of what decisions are made on any level of the franchise.

This post is all over the place and I'm writing it based off of a few hours of sleep so I apologize if it's coming across as a broken record in places.


¹As one of if not the biggest fans of fight scenes in this community I have to say that the lack of character writing really harms some of these fights and make them boring as a result.