"Dragon Ball Super (Manga)" Official Discussion Thread

[JulieYBM]

Oh, now I remember what that Trunks and Goten art reminds me of.



The arms and legs as well as posing strike me as similar.

[BWri]

Modern Toriyama's art continues to be awful for Dragon Ball, the way they're standing just looks... weird

They're ducks. I'm quacking up looking at this. No shade to GOATiyama-san but this looks hilarious. Is that the point?

[JulieYBM]

They're twinks now, living that cosplay femboy life. We should respect their wishes to be cute girls femboys.

[FortuneSSJ]

Herms translation about Clean God section from Volume 21 extras:

If somebody told me those are teen Pan and teen Bra dressing up as superheroes, I'd believe it.

Modern Toriyama is a lost cause when it comes to muscles and his current style doesn't fit how some of these characters are supposed to look. I don't know any other artist that started to draw everyone skinny as he got older. That's why I don't agree with the idea that new character designs for the anime, like from Shintani, should emulate his modern style instead of his prime. He's clearly past it.

Toyotaro already ignored Toriyama's indications before

Spoiler:

[Mr Baggins]

Love Toriyama's art, modern or not. Love his Saiyaman X-1 and X-2 designs and corrections. Love his Clean God design. Would be over the moon if he drew an entire arc or even just a chapter himself (even though we all know he won't).

Simple as.

[MCDaveG]

I have to agree with many that I would've prefered Toriyama's updated style.
One of the interesting aspects of the franchise is that Toriyama's artstyle is always changing.
And while my most favorite era of his will always be the mid 90s, I am all for consistency.
While all the stories mention Toriyama submitting the 101 Dalmatians artwork and strongheaded push to get to draw manga, they overlook him being a studied designer and working in marketing.
And it shows, as he is exceptional designer! Everything he does has a sense of function on the page, there is nothing obsolete and when he copies the fusion dance for the sake of time, he even admits it in a form of a joke. He can think and coming up with creative ideas that serve purpose at a time, everything is kept simple. Design is more about solving issues and support ideas than aesthetics (Goku having hair white when SSJ allegedly because of too much ink), changing the artstyle to better suit the delivery and reflect the action and situations better on page.
This guy is a one of a kind genius IMHO.

And it creates more problems than it solves, when his new designs get mixed with the contemporary 90s look of the series, that is kept for the sake of popularity or for a continuity reasons with Z. I have to say, that it fails and doesn't work in the end visually.
Broly movie was interesting for kinda doing a remix of all Toriyama's artstyles together, creating a unique and fresh look. That was the first time the Super series felt visually consistent for me (altho it was only inside the confines of one movie).
Doesn't help that Toyotaro is heavily influenced by the mid 90s art and with Toriyama back in the picture, they all contribute to the series, which makes it a mess.
Of course, when you have the more detailed and overcomplicated artstyle mixed with revamped design for Yadrats, that is overly simplistic, fans wouldn't like it. Preferences aside, it doesn't mesh and it's kida like mixing the designs from Star Wars with the sleek looking Star Trek.

I would've loved seeing the show updated as Toriyama would make it look different. Sleeker, consistent.
I have the feeling from his recent contributions, that he is reverting back to his more rounded years of Dr. Slump and DB, while retaining the simplicity and many people feel the characters lost their edge, as they are sleeker, less muscular and literally the art not being sketchy and edgy, like in the Buu arc.

I wouldn't say that Toriyama has lost it, he has just evolved and is constantly evolving while everyone else is living in the past. When I read through the Jaco as it was released years ago, I have noticed that it is different from what I was used to visually, but it was all there, it looked good and it worked.

Of course Toyotaro's redesigns work better, because he basically draws them as he draws the rest of the manga, in the contemporary style the preserves Toriyama in his "best years" as many fans would put it and makes them consistent with the rest of his art.
You can either redesign original Toriyama to work in the past, or updated everything based on Toriyama's original art.
The middle ground doesn't work and makes no sense.

[Toxin45]

https://twitter.com/DbsHype/status/1598 ... nfirmed%2F

Dragon ball superhero timeline for those who still don't know.

[Cipher]

Love Toriyama's art, modern or not. Love his Saiyaman X-1 and X-2 designs and corrections. Love his Clean God design. Would be over the moon if he drew an entire arc or even just a chapter himself (even though we all know he won't).

Simple as.

I should clarify that I love Toriyama's current art style and am always curious about how Super would look drawn by him. (Although I think anyone who would expect his style to remain exactly the same were he doing so is also fooling themselves--it would undoubtedly naturally shift a bit to accommodate the frequent action scenes, just as the original run did.)

I just don't feel the corrections to Goten and Trunks are a great mesh with the rest of the series, as drawn by Toyotaro, at this point, and feel they might have been better off being left more of a visual piece with the rest. It feels like Toyotaro is somewhat struggling to adapt them, and I think his original rough looks fine. In the past, I've felt all the Toriyama corrections we've seen were improvements.

[Yuji]

My favourite post-DB Toriyama style is his mid 2000s Neko Majin/Cross Epoch style. Would have loved to see Super drawn that way.

[Noah]

Seriously, did they use that ludicrous plot of Android 17 "raising" Cell Juniors, to them fight with Goten and Trunks? How lame.

The DBS manga is trash and the sooner DBS ends the better

Amen to that.

[Skar]

The DBS manga is trash and the sooner DBS ends the better

Amen to that.

Wouldn't it be easier to wait until it's over to read if you feel that way? There are plenty of series that I waited until they ended to bingewatch or read. Although that's only if I have some interest in them. I can't really think of any series that I thought was horrible and hoped it was ending while still checking new chapter or episode. At least bingereading after it ends means you only have to suffer through it once for a few hours than every month for a few years.

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I really dig Modern Toriyama’s more cartoonish art style, but by Kami this is horrendous. They look so flat.

I’m pretty sure Dragon Ball would be dead without Super. Wishing for Super to end is wanting to pull the life support plug.

[Skar]

I’m pretty sure Dragon Ball would be dead without Super. Wishing for Super to end is wanting to pull the life support plug.

Well it wouldn't be dead and just another finished story. To be fair, I don't think there's anything wrong with not wanting it to become another zombie franchise that only stops when it loses money. Eventually the DBS manga will be over so I just think it's easier to wait for that than keep reading by chapter if you genuinely don't like any of it.

[Dbzfan94]

I’m pretty sure Dragon Ball would be dead without Super. Wishing for Super to end is wanting to pull the life support plug.

The series survived on games for 20 years. Let the series that ended in 1995 end and stay gone this time.

[JulieYBM]

I really dig Modern Toriyama’s more cartoonish art style, but by Kami this is horrendous. They look so flat.

I’m pretty sure Dragon Ball would be dead without Super. Wishing for Super to end is wanting to pull the life support plug.

Er...so what, though? It's not our job to keep a commercial venture going.

Like, I'm all for allowing artists create the work that excites them to create, but I'm also not the one getting paid to shill Dragon Ball nor am I so hard up for other hobbies that I would be dead without new Dragon Ball content. We all survived without any from 1998-2008.

That being said, where's my Caulifla x Kale action yuri spin-off anime, Production Committee? You cowards!

[Cipher]

I really dig Modern Toriyama’s more cartoonish art style, but by Kami this is horrendous. They look so flat.

I’m pretty sure Dragon Ball would be dead without Super. Wishing for Super to end is wanting to pull the life support plug.

I like Super, but I’m eagerly awaiting it ending on its own terms. The story can be finished again.

[Toxin45]

I really dig Modern Toriyama’s more cartoonish art style, but by Kami this is horrendous. They look so flat.

I’m pretty sure Dragon Ball would be dead without Super. Wishing for Super to end is wanting to pull the life support plug.

I like Super, but I’m eagerly awaiting it ending on its own terms. The story can be finished again.

Don’t bother

[Skar]

Don’t bother

Don't bother doing what? Did you hit send before finishing the comment ?

[kemuri07]

I really dig Modern Toriyama’s more cartoonish art style, but by Kami this is horrendous. They look so flat.

I’m pretty sure Dragon Ball would be dead without Super. Wishing for Super to end is wanting to pull the life support plug.

This is exactly what I want. As far as I'm concerned, DBS is the equivalent of "Zombie Simpsons": a shell of its former self, that refuses to die simply because it makes money.

[Toxin45]

Don’t bother

Don't bother doing what? Did you hit send before finishing the comment ?

I mean toei is having problems with shuesiha about liscense issues we will likely have a sequel series after super