Remastered dub is beyond unwatchable to me

[DB1984]

The Main series theme got "replaced" because in reality, it's actually shorter than the Opening Animation. In the original Z Dub, Funimation shortened the intro by 45 seconds, thus the Faulconer intro theme is only 1 minute compared to the 1:45 length of both animations. They *could* have used Tendril's heavy metal cover of the theme from Movie 8, but that would've still been a different theme from the one actually used and since it was composed specifically towards the Cha-La animation its cues wouldn't have matched well with We Gotta Power.The other option would be using the Ultimate Uncut intro for episodes 1-67, but while that does match the length of Cha-La, Funi again used an entirely different intro for those episodes and that song would've been HILARIOUSLY ill-fitting over the Cha-La animation.

So the easily solution was to simply use the Mark Menza theme that was composed specifically to the Cha-La animation (and later re-editeds to fit We Gotta Power) and keep it consistent across the whole series.

(I SUPPOSE they could've also used the extended the Rock The Dragon edit from Budokai 1 but that song wasn't used in the dub past the Frieza saga so any way you slice it there's no perfect solution)

I guess even extending the Team Faulconer theme by 45 seconds wasn't an option, and probably wouldn't have synced well with the footage. Is that right?

[Vegetto95]

The Main series theme got "replaced" because in reality, it's actually shorter than the Opening Animation. In the original Z Dub, Funimation shortened the intro by 45 seconds, thus the Faulconer intro theme is only 1 minute compared to the 1:45 length of both animations. They *could* have used Tendril's heavy metal cover of the theme from Movie 8, but that would've still been a different theme from the one actually used and since it was composed specifically towards the Cha-La animation its cues wouldn't have matched well with We Gotta Power.The other option would be using the Ultimate Uncut intro for episodes 1-67, but while that does match the length of Cha-La, Funi again used an entirely different intro for those episodes and that song would've been HILARIOUSLY ill-fitting over the Cha-La animation.

So the easily solution was to simply use the Mark Menza theme that was composed specifically to the Cha-La animation (and later re-editeds to fit We Gotta Power) and keep it consistent across the whole series.

(I SUPPOSE they could've also used the extended the Rock The Dragon edit from Budokai 1 but that song wasn't used in the dub past the Frieza saga so any way you slice it there's no perfect solution)

I guess even extending the Team Faulconer theme by 45 seconds wasn't an option, and probably wouldn't have synced well with the footage. Is that right?

Well, the Faulconer opening was composed sometime in 1999 or 2000, and the last episode of DBZ in early 2003 was the last time any new music was made by Faulconer Productions for FUNimation. If I recall correctly (and if I get the details wrong, someone please correct me lol), Bruce Faulconer got all butthurt that the music "he" composed for FUNi (even though he personally actually composed next to none of it) didn't legally belong to him (showing what an amateur he is/was, since it is EXTREEEMELY common for scores composed for movies, shows, games, etc. to legally belong to the company that owns said movies/shows/games, etc., and NOT to the composer contracted to write it), and he straight up sued them for it in 2004 or 2005 I believe... and lost. Duh.

Needless to say, FUNi wasn't exactly keen on the prospect of ever working with his ass again after that piece of shit move, hence why there has been no new Faulconer music in over 20 years now, and never will be again. I don't doubt that they COULD have made an extended version of the '99/00 Faulconer intro to fit their more recent home video releases, but they probably didn't want to because of the ended association, and it also would have just required more effort than simply using Menza's opening from their movie releases that was already made to be timed to CHA-LA HEAD-CHA-LA and We Gotta Power!

Besides... they're both just short, generic rock instrumental tracks. Maybe it's just me, but I fail to see how the Faulconer intro is somehow SO superior to the Menza intro, aside from sheer nostalgia bias. But even then, the Faulconer intro's only like maybe five or six years older than the Menza intro, which itself is WEEELL over 15 years old by now, plenty of time for nostalgic feelings to come about. But I guess for a lot of people, the older it is, the more nostalgic preference it gets or something. I'm not a particularly nostalgic person myself, I go moreso by "Do I still like this thing I liked as a kid when I watch it as an adult?", so I can't claim to really understand it myself, but hey... people are different, and that's okay.

[GhostEmperorX]

There needs to be a little more to the conversation than that, please, and hopefully something that hasn't necessarily been beaten to death since 1999! Consider what it is you're looking to get out of the conversation and how that might come across to others.

Well... I did make a few attempts after that thread to have more interesting or new conversations in a certain section... but for some reason those haven't gotten much traction (could be something on my end), so I'm wondering if there's something that just attracts people to the usual conversations, or maybe that's just the state we happen to find ourselves in.
And it doesn't seem like there's many people around at this time with dissenting opinions or points of view, which I would be welcoming of if they did come on.

[WittyUsername]

Vegetto95, to answer your question (sorry, I didn't fully read your post until now), I guess you could say a little bit of both. Plus, I don't like that they replaced the 1999-2003 Team Faulconer opening theme with the movie theme. The movie theme is generic as hell.

Even though the Kikuchi BGM remains the definitive score of the original DB/DBZ, the music changes I mentioned made me appreciate the 1999-2003 Team Faulconer score more than ever.

The Main series theme got "replaced" because in reality, it's actually shorter than the Opening Animation. In the original Z Dub, Funimation shortened the intro by 45 seconds, thus the Faulconer intro theme is only 1 minute compared to the 1:45 length of both animations. They *could* have used Tendril's heavy metal cover of the theme from Movie 8, but that would've still been a different theme from the one actually used and since it was composed specifically towards the Cha-La animation its cues wouldn't have matched well with We Gotta Power.The other option would be using the Ultimate Uncut intro for episodes 1-67, but while that does match the length of Cha-La, Funi again used an entirely different intro for those episodes and that song would've been HILARIOUSLY ill-fitting over the Cha-La animation.

So the easily solution was to simply use the Mark Menza theme that was composed specifically to the Cha-La animation (and later re-editeds to fit We Gotta Power) and keep it consistent across the whole series.

(I SUPPOSE they could've also used the extended the Rock The Dragon edit from Budokai 1 but that song wasn't used in the dub past the Frieza saga so any way you slice it there's no perfect solution)

The Menza theme was also composed specifically for Cha La Head Cha La, but that didn’t exactly stop FUNimation from playing it over the animation for We Gotta Power as well. Of course, there was yet another option, which would've been to use the Andy Baylor theme, but that’s about as ill-fitting as the Ultimate Uncut theme.

FUNimation sure had a bunch of different themes for DBZ, didn’t they?

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

Vegetto95, to answer your question (sorry, I didn't fully read your post until now), I guess you could say a little bit of both. Plus, I don't like that they replaced the 1999-2003 Team Faulconer opening theme with the movie theme. The movie theme is generic as hell.

Even though the Kikuchi BGM remains the definitive score of the original DB/DBZ, the music changes I mentioned made me appreciate the 1999-2003 Team Faulconer score more than ever.

The Main series theme got "replaced" because in reality, it's actually shorter than the Opening Animation. In the original Z Dub, Funimation shortened the intro by 45 seconds, thus the Faulconer intro theme is only 1 minute compared to the 1:45 length of both animations. They *could* have used Tendril's heavy metal cover of the theme from Movie 8, but that would've still been a different theme from the one actually used and since it was composed specifically towards the Cha-La animation its cues wouldn't have matched well with We Gotta Power.The other option would be using the Ultimate Uncut intro for episodes 1-67, but while that does match the length of Cha-La, Funi again used an entirely different intro for those episodes and that song would've been HILARIOUSLY ill-fitting over the Cha-La animation.

So the easily solution was to simply use the Mark Menza theme that was composed specifically to the Cha-La animation (and later re-editeds to fit We Gotta Power) and keep it consistent across the whole series.

(I SUPPOSE they could've also used the extended the Rock The Dragon edit from Budokai 1 but that song wasn't used in the dub past the Frieza saga so any way you slice it there's no perfect solution)

The Menza theme was also composed specifically for Cha La Head Cha La, but that didn’t exactly stop FUNimation from playing it over the animation for We Gotta Power as well. Of course, there was yet another option, which would've been to use the Andy Baylor theme, but that’s about as ill-fitting as the Ultimate Uncut theme.

FUNimation sure had a bunch of different themes for DBZ, didn’t they?

IIRC, the only place where Baylor's theme was used was on the original single releases of the Bardock and Trunks specials. Funny enough, they came out in reverse order within a gap of a few months in October 2000 for the latter and January 2001 for the former on VHS and DVD and it didn't appear anywhere else after that. Yeeeeeahhh...given how god awful that music sounds (another user likened it to screeching smoke detectors) i'm not surprised it got forgotten relatively quickly.

[MasenkoHA]

The Menza theme was also composed specifically for Cha La Head Cha La, but that didn’t exactly stop FUNimation from playing it over the animation for We Gotta Power as well. Of course, there was yet another option,

Honestly, I think the fact that the Menza theme was clearly scored to picture for the Head Cha La animation was why they went with it instead of bothering to create an English cover ala the rest of their properties. It's probably a good thing GT's dub didn't have a hundren bajillion theme songs to choose from.

And, yeah, it becomes super apparent Menza was scoring the theme to Head Cha La's animation because it does not go with the We Gotta Power animation at all.

which would've been to use the Andy Baylor theme, but that’s about as ill-fitting as the Ultimate Uncut theme

They also rightfully could have been sued for an assault on the public's eardrums

[WittyUsername]

The Main series theme got "replaced" because in reality, it's actually shorter than the Opening Animation. In the original Z Dub, Funimation shortened the intro by 45 seconds, thus the Faulconer intro theme is only 1 minute compared to the 1:45 length of both animations. They *could* have used Tendril's heavy metal cover of the theme from Movie 8, but that would've still been a different theme from the one actually used and since it was composed specifically towards the Cha-La animation its cues wouldn't have matched well with We Gotta Power.The other option would be using the Ultimate Uncut intro for episodes 1-67, but while that does match the length of Cha-La, Funi again used an entirely different intro for those episodes and that song would've been HILARIOUSLY ill-fitting over the Cha-La animation.

So the easily solution was to simply use the Mark Menza theme that was composed specifically to the Cha-La animation (and later re-editeds to fit We Gotta Power) and keep it consistent across the whole series.

(I SUPPOSE they could've also used the extended the Rock The Dragon edit from Budokai 1 but that song wasn't used in the dub past the Frieza saga so any way you slice it there's no perfect solution)

The Menza theme was also composed specifically for Cha La Head Cha La, but that didn’t exactly stop FUNimation from playing it over the animation for We Gotta Power as well. Of course, there was yet another option, which would've been to use the Andy Baylor theme, but that’s about as ill-fitting as the Ultimate Uncut theme.

FUNimation sure had a bunch of different themes for DBZ, didn’t they?

IIRC, the only place where Baylor's theme was used was on the original single releases of the Bardock and Trunks specials. Funny enough, they came out in reverse order within a gap of a few months in October 2000 for the latter and January 2001 for the former on VHS and DVD and it didn't appear anywhere else after that. Yeeeeeahhh...given how god awful that music sounds (another user likened it to screeching smoke detectors) i'm not surprised it got forgotten relatively quickly.

My understanding is that there were certain regions where the Baylor theme was used for Movie 4 and possibly Movie 5 as well, but yeah, FUNimation wasted no time discarding it once they had the perfectly inoffensive Mark Menza theme to use. I’m still not sure why the Tendril theme was never used outside of Movie 8. I honestly think it’s better than the original Faulconer Productions theme.

[SuperSaiyaManZ94]

The Menza theme was also composed specifically for Cha La Head Cha La, but that didn’t exactly stop FUNimation from playing it over the animation for We Gotta Power as well. Of course, there was yet another option, which would've been to use the Andy Baylor theme, but that’s about as ill-fitting as the Ultimate Uncut theme.

FUNimation sure had a bunch of different themes for DBZ, didn’t they?

IIRC, the only place where Baylor's theme was used was on the original single releases of the Bardock and Trunks specials. Funny enough, they came out in reverse order within a gap of a few months in October 2000 for the latter and January 2001 for the former on VHS and DVD and it didn't appear anywhere else after that. Yeeeeeahhh...given how god awful that music sounds (another user likened it to screeching smoke detectors) i'm not surprised it got forgotten relatively quickly.

My understanding is that there were certain regions where the Baylor theme was used for Movie 4 and possibly Movie 5 as well, but yeah, FUNimation wasted no time discarding it once they had the perfectly inoffensive Mark Menza theme to use. I’m still not sure why the Tendril theme was never used outside of Movie 8. I honestly think it’s better than the original Faulconer Productions theme.

Yeah, though i was specifically referring to in the States. AFAIK the only releases here that used Baylor's theme were the Z specials and that was all. So, apparently there were other places which used it on those movies but yes it was short lived and I too am surprised Tendril's theme wasn't used past Broly 1.

[jjgp1112]

Vegetto95, to answer your question (sorry, I didn't fully read your post until now), I guess you could say a little bit of both. Plus, I don't like that they replaced the 1999-2003 Team Faulconer opening theme with the movie theme. The movie theme is generic as hell.

Even though the Kikuchi BGM remains the definitive score of the original DB/DBZ, the music changes I mentioned made me appreciate the 1999-2003 Team Faulconer score more than ever.

The Main series theme got "replaced" because in reality, it's actually shorter than the Opening Animation. In the original Z Dub, Funimation shortened the intro by 45 seconds, thus the Faulconer intro theme is only 1 minute compared to the 1:45 length of both animations. They *could* have used Tendril's heavy metal cover of the theme from Movie 8, but that would've still been a different theme from the one actually used and since it was composed specifically towards the Cha-La animation its cues wouldn't have matched well with We Gotta Power.The other option would be using the Ultimate Uncut intro for episodes 1-67, but while that does match the length of Cha-La, Funi again used an entirely different intro for those episodes and that song would've been HILARIOUSLY ill-fitting over the Cha-La animation.

So the easily solution was to simply use the Mark Menza theme that was composed specifically to the Cha-La animation (and later re-editeds to fit We Gotta Power) and keep it consistent across the whole series.

(I SUPPOSE they could've also used the extended the Rock The Dragon edit from Budokai 1 but that song wasn't used in the dub past the Frieza saga so any way you slice it there's no perfect solution)

The Menza theme was also composed specifically for Cha La Head Cha La, but that didn’t exactly stop FUNimation from playing it over the animation for We Gotta Power as well. Of course, there was yet another option, which would've been to use the Andy Baylor theme, but that’s about as ill-fitting as the Ultimate Uncut theme.

FUNimation sure had a bunch of different themes for DBZ, didn’t they?

WHile I suppose that's true, the Menza theme had been well established for the series up to that point, as all the movie releases from 02-06 used it. So I think they figured it was easiest to use that one and keep it consistent the whole way through

[GhostEmperorX]

While I suppose this is par for the course, all this talk of numerous different intros/outros just seems like a really complicated maze.
Has there ever been anything like a timeline made on how this and/or other elements have progressed throughout production? It would at least make it easy to put things into perspective if there was.

[MasenkoHA]

While I suppose this is par for the course, all this talk of numerous different intros/outros just seems like a really complicated maze.
Has there ever been anything like a timeline made on how this and/or other elements have progressed throughout production? It would at least make it easy to put things into perspective if there was.

If I understand what you're asking

Rock the Dragon (1996-1999)- Featured from Arrival of Raditz to Goku's Alive? and the Toonami broadcast of the first 3 Z movies. Instrumental used for Outro for these episodes

Faulconer's Dragon Ball Z theme (2000-2003) Used from the start of the Garlic jr saga to the end of the original Z dub. Abbreviated 30 second version used for Outro. Some of the movies original release also used this one. The first Broly movie apparently used a cover by Tendril

Andy Baylor's DBZ Theme (2000) Used for the Bardock and Trunks special. The first theme composed to fit the full length of the Head Cha La animation instead of the shorter minute long length of the previous themes

Mark Menza DBZ Movie theme (2002-present) Originally composed for Return of Cooler in addition to Menza's brand new score for that movie and used for most of the movies done afterward. Became the official theme for the Dragon Ball Z dub as of the Orange Bricks (excluding the Dragon Box release) . With the re-release of the Z movies circa 2008 they all use this one if the US Score option is selected. With the Japanese music track option some of the movies still use this theme ala the remastered tv series dub (Z movie 1, 2, and 5 I believe) while the rest use Head Cha La/We Gotta Power

DBZ Uncut theme (2005)- Used for the Ultimate Uncut Edition redub of the Saiyan and Namek sagas.

Summoning up the Dragon (2005-Present)- Outro for the UUE dub became the official dub ending theme for the entire remastered dub if the U.S score option is selected.

[jjgp1112]

While I suppose this is par for the course, all this talk of numerous different intros/outros just seems like a really complicated maze.
Has there ever been anything like a timeline made on how this and/or other elements have progressed throughout production? It would at least make it easy to put things into perspective if there was.

For the original Z Dub, all of Funi's intros were 1 minute long.

The first was Rock The Dragon, which was used for seasons 1-3. An extended edit was used for Budokai 1's OP to fit the full-length Cha-La animation.

The second was the Faulconer theme. The first one that was used in the Android/Cell sagas was set to a series of random clips.

The third one for the Buu saga was a modified Faulconer theme - just a different guitar solo, really. This one was over a shortened edit of the We Gotta Power animation. This was also used in Movies 4 and 5 over a shortened version of Cha-La Head Cha-La's animation.

Then there's the weird techno song used for the Trunks and Bardock specials. This was set to the full-length Cha-La OP

Then after that, Mark Menza's theme used for movies 6-12 (excluding Movie and the remastered sets. Set to the full-length OP.

Then, Tendril did a heavy-metal version of the Faulconer theme for Movie 8. Again, full-length OP.

And finally, the Ultimate Uncut episodes got an intro that was just a series of clips with edgy filters set to a heavy metal instrumental. It's the same length as the Japanese intros, but again the song wouldn't have fit the Cha-La Head Cha-La intro at all.

[GhostEmperorX]

Thanks a lot for the help, It sounds about right. Out of these I can only remember the Faulconer and Menza intros, but I definitely never knew that there were that many of them. Quite strange honestly, but it does go to show what a complete lack of consistency there was overall.
Now it makes me wonder about other things like when they even released each of the movies and when they went with each of the separate conventions for soundtrack/scoring that they did, but that's a topic for another thread and is probably covered on one of the site guides.

[jjgp1112]

Thanks a lot for the help, It sounds about right. Out of these I can only remember the Faulconer and Menza intros, but I definitely never knew that there were that many of them. Quite strange honestly, but it does go to show what a complete lack of consistency there was overall.
Now it makes me wonder about other things like when they even released each of the movies and when they went with each of the separate conventions for soundtrack/scoring that they did, but that's a topic for another thread and is probably covered on one of the site guides.

Mainly, they wanted to give the movies a different flavor from the series, and I think with the Faulconer team busy on the series they wanted to use other composers instead.

The two TV specials were their first go round and came out in 2000, although the soundtracks were actually rather eclectic (Bootsie Collins?! Dream Theater?!). But then with Movies 4 and 5 they went heavy on the nu-metal since that was all the rage among teenagers pre-9/11, although Movie 4 had a few Faulconer songs as well. But with Movie 6 they stopped using bands and I'd imagine GT's production began around the same time they started working on that since they brought in Mark Menza. Movie 8 was the first movie released after Funi finished their Z releases and i think because of all the hype Broly had and his general image, they went back to metal bands although with more unknowns as opposed to the nu-metal mainstays of Movies 4 and 5. It was pretty much the last gasp of Faulconer's relationship with Funi and the only English DBZ property that has both Faulconer and Menza work on it. After Movie 8 though they went back to Mark Menza scores...and although Nathan Johnson did Movies 12 and 13, they continued using Menza's opening theme.

[MasenkoHA]

It is funi how despite Faulconer Productions music became synonymous with dub DBZ only 2 of the movies use their music. A lot of it is a byproduct of the movies being done so late that most of them were done concurrent to GT and the UUE dub but still

If Bruce Faulconer hadn't burned his bridges throwing a temper tantrum about not being brought on for GT to take the credit from the other guys I wonder if Team Faulconer would have scored more of the movies

[90sDBZ]

I also wish the unaltered dub was included as an option on home releases.

But I will acknowledge the remastered dub at least had some genuine improvements, however minor. There were certain supporting characters who originally got recast after Season 3. If we include the Ocean dub, Tien actually had 4 different actors in the 96-03 dub, while in the remastered dub he has only 1.

I also think Goku's added dialogue during his final speech to Kid Buu was a good addition. The OG Funi dub just had silence during the flashback (which is funny because the Japanese had dialogue).

I know a common complaint is Sean not redubbing Season 3 Goku, while Sabat redubbed Vegeta. Personally it didn't bother me too much, because while Sabat's Vegeta had a totally different voice, Sean's actual Goku voice hadn't changed much despite his acting/delivery being much improved.

For me the biggest downside is the loss of Dale Kelly's performances. His narrator really fit Funimation's approach, and I enjoyed his Ginyu too.

And also the missing voice filters for certain characters. I loved the way Super Buu sounded originally, with his voice suddenly going high-pitched during screams.

[GhostEmperorX]

I also think Goku's added dialogue during his final speech to Kid Buu was a good addition. The OG Funi dub just had silence during the flashback (which is funny because the Japanese had dialogue).

This struck me as another one of those moments where they just wrote what they wanted to write, and this was near the end of the series too, after they had become better with translations. Talking about "seeing/sensing the good" in him even though what he was originally saying was that he changed forms so many times to the point that it got annoying.

If Bruce Faulconer hadn't burned his bridges throwing a temper tantrum about not being brought on for GT to take the credit from the other guys I wonder if Team Faulconer would have scored more of the movies

And even the redubs of episode 1-67, if archives of DBZ Uncensored are to be believed.
Only question is, since the initial two ghostwriters left, who would he even have used to write that score besides Dobos?
In fact, what was he even thinking with GT since the people who wrote the most material for him were already gone?

[Cure Dragon 255]

I also wish the unaltered dub was included as an option on home releases.

But I will acknowledge the remastered dub at least had some genuine improvements, however minor. There were certain supporting characters who originally got recast after Season 3. If we include the Ocean dub, Tien actually had 4 different actors in the 96-03 dub, while in the remastered dub he has only 1.

I also think Goku's added dialogue during his final speech to Kid Buu was a good addition. The OG Funi dub just had silence during the flashback (which is funny because the Japanese had dialogue).

I know a common complaint is Sean not redubbing Season 3 Goku, while Sabat redubbed Vegeta. Personally it didn't bother me too much, because while Sabat's Vegeta had a totally different voice, Sean's actual Goku voice hadn't changed much despite his acting/delivery being much improved.

For me the biggest downside is the loss of Dale Kelly's performances. His narrator really fit Funimation's approach, and I enjoyed his Ginyu too.

And also the missing voice filters for certain characters. I loved the way Super Buu sounded originally, with his voice suddenly going high-pitched during screams.

Can you tell me what this dialogue said? And if it was accurate to the Japanese.

[MasenkoHA]

I know a common complaint is Sean not redubbing Season 3 Goku, while Sabat redubbed Vegeta. Personally it didn't bother me too much, because while Sabat's Vegeta had a totally different voice, Sean's actual Goku voice hadn't changed much despite his acting/delivery being much improved.

That seemed to be Funimation's logic too. It was less about improving past performances (otherwise Sabat would he redubbing all his characters in season 3) and more about making sure the characters at least sound like its the same person from the first 67 episodes.

People always single out Schemmel's Goku, but seriously, listen to how bad Moron Piccolo sounds in the Frieza saga coming off the first 67 episodes, or Valley Girl Bulma

For me the biggest downside is the loss of Dale Kelly's performances. His narrator really fit Funimation's approach, and I enjoyed his Ginyu too.

I dunno, with the remastered dub defaulting to the Kikuchi score I think Dale Kelly's over the top big ham Monster Truck announcer narration would have clashed horribly with the music. Much less dissonance with Hebert's generic action movie of the week announcer voice.

And also the missing voice filters for certain characters. I loved the way Super Buu sounded originally, with his voice suddenly going high-pitched during screams.

Also without the filter Justin Cook's Super Buu is just his Raditz voice, which is just an evil version of his angry Yusuke voice.

Obviously the missing voice filters were an oversight from using a rough cut of the dub as a basis, but the only improvement was Frieza's third form no longer sounding like a fusion of his first and second form. That was such a weird decision and he sounds better just having the same voice as his pitched down second form.

[90sDBZ]

Can you tell me what this dialogue said? And if it was accurate to the Japanese.

https://youtu.be/izUAqfsVi-Y

It's the dialogue in the flashback starting at 1:47. The OG Funi dub had literally no dialogue for this flashback, which felt kind of odd. While the added dialogue isn't accurate to the Japanese, it does fit the dub version of Goku's character, and everything he says about Buu is technically true.

What's interesting is the Westwood dub always had the exact same dialogue in this scene, meaning it must have been part of an earlier print of Funi's dub that was removed and then added back in for the remastered dub.

You can check out Ocean's version here at 1:01;
https://youtu.be/ScsFYruk-6w