Would a "Composite Goku" be a match for Beerus?

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Would a "Composite Goku" be a match for Beerus?

Post by theherodjl » Thu Nov 28, 2024 10:15 pm

Say all base forms of Goku at their best from every arc & timeline, with all of their techniques & feats, were combined together into one ultimate, end-all being of Son Goku, that would be Goku from the following list:
Pilaf arc
21st Tenkaichi arc
Red Ribbon Army arc
22nd Tenkaichi arc
Piccolo Daimao arc
23rd Tenkaichi arc
Every DB-era film
Saiyan arc
Namek arc
Cell arc
Boo arc
Every DBZ-era film
Baby arc
Super 17 arc
Shadow Dragon arc
100 years later special
BOG arc
ROF arc
U6 Tournament arc
Black arc
ToP arc
DBS: Broly film
Galactic Prisoner arc
Granolah the Survivor arc
DBS: SH film
Xeno Goku
Daima Goku

...and then this Composite Goku gets Perfected UI as it's transformation as that seems to be the greatest transformation a Goku has ever had, surely this would be enough to match or even trounce Beerus? Or is Beerus still somehow stronger than even a Composite Goku, as Beerus just has his "mind on destruction" all the time and is able to pull ahead regardless?
Did Toriyama really write Beerus to be an insurmountable wall for Goku?
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Re: Would a "Composite Goku" be a match for Beerus?

Post by Grimlock » Thu Nov 28, 2024 10:36 pm

You're missing Dragon Ball Evolution Goku, Neko Majin Goku, Dragon Ball Super Goku (who experienced the Dragon Ball Heroes sagas) and AGE 801 Goku (right before leaving Earth). I would also throw in baby Gokus (Bardock TV Special and Dragon Ball Minus) for good measure.

Realistically and logically speaking, yes, Ultimate Maximum Composite Goku would defeat Beerus easily. But if we play by Dragon Ball Super rules, no, Beerus would transform into a "goalpost" itself and would move ahead of this Goku.

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Re: Would a "Composite Goku" be a match for Beerus?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Thu Nov 28, 2024 11:35 pm

Xeno Goku with the God forms would win as Xeno without them trump's all other Goku's accept CC Goku who is a beast.

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Re: Would a "Composite Goku" be a match for Beerus?

Post by SupremeKai25 » Fri Nov 29, 2024 5:41 am

Uhm, No. I don't think that stacking a bunch of fodder versions on top of current Goku is the solution.

Like quite literally every single version of these Gokus is fodder to Full-Power Beerus. Tf is stacking them together going to do?
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Re: Would a "Composite Goku" be a match for Beerus?

Post by Trouser » Fri Nov 29, 2024 10:40 am

No, because Beerus' power always must be retconned so he can be stronger. It's his canon power established by Toriyama. Goku stands no chance.
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Re: Would a "Composite Goku" be a match for Beerus?

Post by Hugo Boss » Fri Nov 29, 2024 2:08 pm

This “Composite” Goku with Perfected UI might rival Beerus, but would likely need further growth or a new transformation to decisively surpass him.

Capsule Corp Goku (Heroes) with Super Saiyan Blue combined with the power of the Universal Tree might be a much tougher contender for Beerus. His feats surpass ESSB Gogeta and SS4LB Gogeta together.

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Re: Would a "Composite Goku" be a match for Beerus?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:03 pm

I don't think Beerus powers was ever retconed.

The movies uses the 6 10 15 scale and that's what a lot of people applied to Super. The movies impy Gogeta is stronger than Beerus and Whis implies it.

Then people said UI Goku surpassed him in the anime which was also never stated.

The Manga only ever says Vegito when using his strongest attack is Beerus level.

Fans might think Beerus is sliding but maybe we all scaled him wrong from the start because its Beerus across 3 continuities.

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Re: Would a "Composite Goku" be a match for Beerus?

Post by Shintoki » Tue Dec 03, 2024 5:47 pm

miguelnuva1 wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:03 pm I don't think Beerus powers was ever retconed.


Fans might think Beerus is sliding but maybe we all scaled him wrong from the start because its Beerus across 3 continuities.
in the movie, forced to use 70% by an 80% SSG goku
in the anime, forced to use 10% by an enraged vegeta

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Re: Would a "Composite Goku" be a match for Beerus?

Post by miguelnuva1 » Wed Dec 04, 2024 1:07 am

Shintoki wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2024 5:47 pm
miguelnuva1 wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:03 pm I don't think Beerus powers was ever retconed.


Fans might think Beerus is sliding but maybe we all scaled him wrong from the start because its Beerus across 3 continuities.
in the movie, forced to use 70% by an 80% SSG goku
in the anime, forced to use 10% by an enraged vegeta

:wink:
That's two different contunties and that's if Anime Beerus is telling the truth.

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Re: Would a "Composite Goku" be a match for Beerus?

Post by theherodjl » Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:42 am

Trouser wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 10:40 am No, because Beerus' power always must be retconned so he can be stronger. It's his canon power established by Toriyama. Goku stands no chance.
You know, on the topic of this, I do have my own fan theory that the Hakaishin are in fact powered by the totality of destructive energy in their respective universes; meaning that whatever mortals resides in U7 and have the power to just blow things up ranging from mere pebbles to entire planets, unknowingly make up portions of Beerus' power. If this theory of mine has any merit, then it might partially explain why Beerus is so much stronger in the present than he was during Rou Kaioshin's day, the rise of stronger fighters across history in U7 only make Beerus stronger.
Of course, it could always be as arbitrarily simple as Beerus just trained for millions of years prior, and that is why he truly is so strong. Who truly knows if it is anything else other than this, especially given that Toriyama has passed away and Toyotaro & Toei haven't(yet) stated that they're totally moving on in their own creative direction?
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Re: Would a "Composite Goku" be a match for Beerus?

Post by nineko » Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:54 am

I'm sure that Goku and/or Vegeta are going to defeat Beerus eventually, becoming stronger than your mentors has always been a theme in Dragon Ball: Muten Roshi, the original Kami, North Kaioh. It's very possible that Toriyama left some notes about when and how this is going to happen, but this is going to happen. Having many stronger sparring partners such as Gohan and Broly can also help to make their trainings more varied and effective, Gohan's speed might help Goku perfect his Ultra Instinct, for example, while Broly's raw power might help Vegeta fuel his Ultra Ego. They all have means to become even stronger just by being around each other, Beerus's days are definitely numbered, even if that number might be over nine several thousands.

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Re: Would a "Composite Goku" be a match for Beerus?

Post by Shintoki » Wed Dec 04, 2024 10:51 am

miguelnuva1 wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2024 1:07 am
Shintoki wrote: Tue Dec 03, 2024 5:47 pm
miguelnuva1 wrote: Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:03 pm I don't think Beerus powers was ever retconed.


Fans might think Beerus is sliding but maybe we all scaled him wrong from the start because its Beerus across 3 continuities.
in the movie, forced to use 70% by an 80% SSG goku
in the anime, forced to use 10% by an enraged vegeta

:wink:
That's two different contunties and that's if Anime Beerus is telling the truth.
only thing thing we're told beerus was lying about is using 100% of his power in the anime continuity and that's about it

anything else hasn't been addressed in any otherway tho. :thumbup: so beerus were subject to retcon if we're being genuine
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Re: Would a "Composite Goku" be a match for Beerus?

Post by Mystic-han » Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:03 pm

If we exclude Xeno Goku

This will be the equivalent of Granolah, Goku, Vegeta vs Black freeza

And we saw how good they did

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