Super is the only series without a Dragon Ball Hunt

[ZombieVito]

Huh?

It did have one. The difference is that the villain was the one doing it (Moro).

Champa and Zamasu also did it but that was offscreen.

[Majin Buu]

Glorio's arc is threadbare and Panzy never even gets an arc off the ground. Hell, Shin sleep walks through his interactions with his two, new, antagonist siblings!

Majin Kuu had a great character arc IMO.

[JulieYBM]

Glorio's arc is threadbare and Panzy never even gets an arc off the ground. Hell, Shin sleep walks through his interactions with his two, new, antagonist siblings!

Majin Kuu had a great character arc IMO.

I feel like it has a really good set-up and ending and the nature of the pacing weirdness in those early second-half episodes kind of makes it meander, but Kuu basically has the best arc is in the series.

[Mr Baggins]

I'd argue Glorio has a better arc than most of the guest characters in Super. Kuu does too, of course. But not everyone under the sun needs a big fucking character arc; that's not how storytelling works on a functional level, and it's also just asking for bloat.

On topic:

Another hunt for the Dragon Balls would have been fun in DBS, but only if Toriyama was writing it. I'm not surprised this never came to fruition. Super's story arcs are largely defined by their bombastic approach to conflicts that deebeezee marks were writing about on fanfiction.net a decade before this series got off the ground – and it's mainly only thanks to the movies and T&T's manga that a fairly worthwhile story came from them. The creator's lukewarm investment in Super is probably why we never got one.

[Yuji]

An arc doesn't need to be a spectacle but by the same token, it shouldn't be a wet fart either. Daima's character arcs don't just lack spice, they're outright raw. They read like bullet points.

[Zephyr]

Yeah, Super is the only DB TV show where the protagonists don't go on an extended hunt for the Dragon Balls, which is kinda neat to notice, but I'm not sure if that's really a strength or weakness of it.

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Regarding side conversations:

Does Majin Koo even really have a character arc? I don't see how he's any different than he was at the start. Sure, he's now a Daimao, but he's still the same good natured dude he always was, caring about others, being a good sport, etc. That's not to say I don't love the character, I do; easily one of Daima's few genuine bright spots. I guess you could say he's maybe come out of his shell a little bit. Before, he didn't really care to speak up all that much when Arinsu didn't notice that he was the one who solved the Tamagami's math problem. By the end, he's loudly and enthusiastically giving out government positions to all of his friends and allies. Is that what you guys mean, or is it something else?

Glorio and Arinsu definitely changed as people, though, even if in a barely recognizable or consequential way. The former stood up to his boss and betrayed her for his new friends (and "found family"). The latter seemed to pretty much lay her pernicious ambitions to rest and came to love her dumb children who she initially regarded as disposable if they couldn't get their jobs done. These two really should have been at the centerpiece of Daima's emotional drama throughout. Not in like a heavy-handed and melodramatic way, but like, have more than a microscopic amount of screentime and vague off-screened conversation act as build up for it.

Since we're doing Sequel Olympics again for some reason, Super's antagonists also definitely have arcs. Beerus goes from being completely capricious and destroying whatever he wants on a whim, to sparing Earth and putting up with a ton of Goku's bullshit. Freeza goes from blowing the planet up when he loses, to getting on the grindset for real, cooperating with Goku and others numerous times, and retreating to get stronger rather than blowing everything up when he loses. Zamasu goes down the Alt Right Pipeline. Geran was gradually humbled into recognizing the importance of camaraderie and cooperation over the course of the Tournament of Power. Like, you don't have to pretend this stuff didn't happen in order to justify not liking Super, I promise.

[Mr Baggins]

Does Majin Koo even really have a character arc? I don't see how he's any different than he was at the start.

'From Zero to Hero' is a trope that's been around since the genesis of storytelling, and one that large swaths of authors and critics have associated with the traditional transformation arc. Not every kind of "character arc", at least as canvassed in the literary world, automatically includes a sweeping personality change. That's more of a modern colloquialism.

Kuu is your Zero to Hero archetype. His role in the story is to win the affection of his creator/caretaker Arinsu and prove his worth, all of which is communicated through gradual changes in their interactions as he steadily grows from the written-off pawn to the guy who actually beats Gomah and succeeds him as king. What I find especially compelling about Kuu's arc is how it ties into the thematic spectrum of acceptance and discrimination (and more broadly, its relation to the Demon Realm's long history of ruling subjugation) in Daima. As I've likewise explained exhaustively with Glorio and Arinsu, there is a steady change in this dynamic that a lot of the show's viewers never seem to catch the first time around – probably because they weren't attuned to it, and probably why Iyoku encouraged his audience to rewatch the show.

For those that weren't just picking apart the opening sentence of my post, it should be evident that I'm not looking for another Sequel Olympics debate, nor did I start the one being had in this thread. I'd like to think I've already drawn that comparison adequately enough in the Daima subforum. My actual point is that roles come in all types and flavors, and not all of them are meant to subserve detailed arcs. Supporting secondary and tertiary characters lend themselves to developing more primary roles, for example; and sometimes, as in the case of Sherlock Holmes, it's the exact opposite. I'm just surprised it needed to be said.

[dbs fanboy]

Yeah that was one of the things that disappointed me about Super, they have balls the size of planets and barely dare to use them! (Phrasing)

It was so frustrating to have a weak dragon summoned by the gathering of only two spheres, be able to grant the wish of the Universe's strongest, when the Super Dragon Balls were right there!!! Even Freeza knows about it, why not try collecting them? Then again I do like the fact that modern Freeza likes a challenge.

I'd argue Glorio has a better arc than most of the guest characters in Super. Kuu does too, of course. But not everyone under the sun needs a big fucking character arc; that's not how storytelling works on a functional level, and it's also just asking for bloat.

I will not stand for this slander, Glorio barely has an arc.

Well he would have had a pretty good one if the show did anything to acknowledge it.

But there's never any confrontation about Glorio's double teaming (phrasing again). We got hints of Shin distrust but then they dropped it, there was a perfect chance to reveal this betrayal when Arinsu revealed herself to the gang, but then she decided to play it fair by having a battle instead of you know......ordering Glorio to sneak out and summon the dragon!

And by the time he does that it is very obvious he is going to help the gang!

On comparison in Super you have characters like Hit who changes after meeting Goku, 17 who becomes the MVP of the tournament, Kale and Caulifla and heck Freeza himself changed a lot in Super to the point that he no longer wishes to simply become the strongest because he genuinely enjoys the challenge, and applied himself to level up in his own!

Paraphrasing what others have said before, Super had plenty of issues but it actually TRIED to do something with it's characters.

Kuu is the only character that had great development in Daima (because he's the Goat)

[Mr Baggins]

We got hints of Shin distrust but then they dropped it, there was a perfect chance to reveal this betrayal when Arinsu revealed herself to the gang, but then she decided to play it fair by having a battle instead of you know......ordering Glorio to sneak out and summon the dragon!

And by the time he does that it is very obvious he is going to help the gang!

Yeah, all of that's just making my argument for me. This is another one of those things I feel doesn't really need elucidating.

What's very obvious is that the Glorio at the start of the series would have betrayed his group without a second thought. He had no attachment to any of these people; he's babysitting a trio of little brats that he plans to backstab for Arinsu because she gave him a shot at a better life. Slowly but surely, that heel becomes a face – we see this when his loss to Goku in combat flips their dynamic on its head, we see it through his multiple interactions with Panzy, we see it when he doesn't capitalize on prior opportunities to backstab them (as you said yourself) or when we see him go out of his way to help them in non-beneficial situations. He's not an outwardly expressive person, so most of this is shown through gestures and emotes throughout the series in lieu of dialogue. The writing is so effective at conveying his gradual metamorphosis as a character that by the time he finally is forced to betray them, we can pretty effortlessly intuit he's not actually going to follow through. That means his arc did its job.

And since it's almost like you guys actually do want to compare all this shit and play Sequel Olympics, I'll elaborate further this time to say I didn't care for any of the "arcs" you listed. They're either highly derivative of throughlines already written in the original work and/or were far too flat on their own to constitute something compelling to latch on to. Hit is Tenshinhan 2.0, except Tenshinhan did it better because he's a more interesting, nuanced character. 17 already changed as a person by the time he's seen again in Super. Kale and Caulifla have no arc; they have a lot of hamfisted, manufactured Toei drama about trusting each other slightly more than already, which is about as impactful as a wet paper bag when these two were so closely bonded from the start that they were already calling each other sisters. Anime Kale in particular is barely an actual character at all and more a genderswapped Broly reference. Now, all of these guys do have sufficient supporting roles to play, specifically in the manga's Tournament of Power where the story doesn't pretend they're anything more than whatever they're meant to contribute. They do not, however, have meaningful arcs. They have no pathos to speak of.

All that being said, there's a reason I was careful to asterisk that "most" (rather than "all") of the ones in Super are inferior. Frieza has a pretty good one insofar as you can give him something resembling an arc, though it's obvious he's still unrepentantly evil. Zamasu's increasingly unhinged obsession and hopelessness work well for the story he's the antagonist of, and Manga Jiren has such great character development I'd readily say his arc is the best in all of Super. It's abundantly clear these examples are the exceptions and not the rule in a 130+ episode / 100+ chapter series, especially for the anime. I don't go by exceptions.

Lastly, that was hardly slander. I find Daima's character arcs more compelling, but me briefly mentioning it in this thread wasn't some 1:1 overall series comparison – even if, yeah, I think Daima handily wins in that department too. Maybe it's an unfair comparison because both sequels are drastically different in length, although I'm still inclined to draw one for myself in the interest of rewatching better material. Maybe in some alternate timeline where Toriyama was invested enough in DBS to ensure it was a better written product, we'd have closer competition here and I'd feel a lot better about rewatching both. But maybe if that were the case, we wouldn't have a Daima at all.

I've said my piece.

[dbs fanboy]

We got hints of Shin distrust but then they dropped it, there was a perfect chance to reveal this betrayal when Arinsu revealed herself to the gang, but then she decided to play it fair by having a battle instead of you know......ordering Glorio to sneak out and summon the dragon!

And by the time he does that it is very obvious he is going to help the gang!

Yeah, all of that's just making my argument for me. This is another one of those things I feel doesn't really need elucidating.

What's very obvious is that the Glorio at the start of the series would have betrayed his group without a second thought. He had no attachment to any of these people; he's babysitting a trio of little brats that he plans to backstab for Arinsu because she gave him a shot at a better life. Slowly but surely, that heel becomes a face – we see this when his loss to Goku in combat flips their dynamic on its head, we see it through his multiple interactions with Panzy, we see it when he doesn't capitalize on prior opportunities to backstab them (as you said yourself) or when we see him go out of his way to help them in non-beneficial situations. He's not an outwardly expressive person, so most of this is shown through gestures and emotes throughout the series in lieu of dialogue. The writing is so effective at conveying his gradual metamorphosis as a character that by the time he finally is forced to betray them, we can pretty effortlessly intuit he's not actually going to follow through. That means his arc did its job.

And since it's almost like you guys actually do want to compare all this shit and play Sequel Olympics, I'll elaborate further this time to say I didn't care for any of the "arcs" you listed. They're either highly derivative of throughlines already written in the original work and/or were far too flat on their own to constitute something compelling to latch on to. Hit is Tenshinhan 2.0, except Tenshinhan did it better because he's a more interesting, nuanced character. 17 already changed as a person by the time he's seen again in Super. Kale and Caulifla have no arc; they have a lot of hamfisted, manufactured Toei drama about trusting each other slightly more than already, which is about as impactful as a wet paper bag when these two were so closely bonded from the start that they were already calling each other sisters. Anime Kale in particular is barely an actual character at all and more a genderswapped Broly reference. Now, all of these guys do have sufficient supporting roles to play, specifically in the manga's Tournament of Power where the story doesn't pretend they're anything more than whatever they're meant to contribute. They do not, however, have meaningful arcs. They have no pathos to speak of.

All that being said, there's a reason I was careful to asterisk that "most" (rather than "all") of the ones in Super are inferior. Frieza has a pretty good one insofar as you can give him something resembling an arc, though it's obvious he's still unrepentantly evil. Zamasu's increasingly unhinged obsession and hopelessness work well for the story he's the antagonist of, and Manga Jiren has such great character development I'd readily say his arc is the best in all of Super. It's abundantly clear these examples are the exceptions and not the rule in a 130+ episode / 100+ chapter series, especially for the anime. I don't go by exceptions.

Lastly, that was hardly slander. I find Daima's character arcs more compelling, but me briefly mentioning it in this thread wasn't some 1:1 overall series comparison – even if, yeah, I think Daima handily wins in that department too. Maybe it's an unfair comparison because both sequels are drastically different in length, although I'm still inclined to draw one for myself in the interest of rewatching better material. Maybe in some alternate timeline where Toriyama was invested enough in DBS to ensure it was a better written product, we'd have closer competition here and I'd feel a lot better about rewatching both. But maybe if that were the case, we wouldn't have a Daima at all.

I've said my piece.

I don't want to derail the thread anymore so I'll say my last piece .

I don't believe you're fair in your analysis at all, it was pretty obvious Glorio would not backstab the gang not because the writing but because the trope itself is pretty common as well and Daima has proven itself to be too safe with it's writing to have the characters actually have a conflict between one another.

But the show itself does nothing within universe to show this conflict because at no moment we ever fear Glorio is actually going to follow through with anything, again, Shin's distrust was the only thing, and then is quickly dropped because Shin pretty much stops trying to see what was going on. Then when the Dragon is summoned we get a line or two from characters calling him traitor which makes no sense because at no point has he actually done something like that.

Dislike all those arcs from Super all you want but they totally tried way more.

17 changed as a person in the anime but need I to remind you at the beginning of the arc he was completely fine with everything being erased, and then he ended up being the one wishing other universes back? That already by itself has much more effort put into it than Glorio's entire thing.

Btw you probably don't get it through text but I'm on a semi jokey mood, I wrote slander to be overdramatic,.I hope I'm not giving a different vibe.

[Zephyr]

For those that weren't just picking apart the opening sentence of my post, it should be evident that I'm not looking for another Sequel Olympics debate, nor did I start the one being had in this thread. I'd like to think I've already drawn that comparison adequately enough in the Daima subforum. My actual point is that roles come in all types and flavors, and not all of them are meant to subserve detailed arcs.

I mean, if you had mentioned Daima's characters going through different kinds of character arcs, rather than saying "I'd argue Glorio has a better arc than most of the guest characters in Super. Kuu does too, of course." (my emphasis), it probably wouldn't have come across the way it did. Notably, your point about Koo's arc is interesting.

I still don't really agree regarding Glorio. Less can certainly be more, and more detailed and explicit arcs can certainly cause "bloat" if taken too far, but neither of these is inherently or necessarily the case. There is a fairly large Goldilocks Zone between too little and too much, and for me Glorio simply landed outside of it (something we'll have to agree to disagree on). But it's also not so subtle that people just aren't seeing it: even AliTheZombie, one of the show's biggest and most stubborn haters, noticed the face-turn coming well in advance.

[AliTheZombie13]

I still don't really agree regarding Glorio. Less can certainly be more, and more detailed and explicit arcs can certainly cause "bloat" if taken too far, but neither of these is inherently or necessarily the case. There is a fairly large Goldilocks Zone between too little and too much, and for me Glorio simply landed outside of it (something we'll have to agree to disagree on). But it's also not so subtle that people just aren't seeing it: even AliTheZombie, one of the show's biggest and most stubborn haters, noticed the face-turn coming well in advance.

Oh hey, I have been summoned.

So uh, Glorio wasn't really all that difficult to predict, he's essentially Daima's own Giru. Remember Giru? Once Giru's betrayal arc starts, even first-time GT watchers like to react that, "Oh no, Giru is pulling all the hints of a not-betrayal, I wonder where this is going to go.... Yup, he was faking it."

That's because this is very a common trope in kids' cartoons.
Now, using a trope doesn't mean it's bad, Terra's betrayal in Teen Titans 2003 still hits hard every time I watch it. It's just that Glorio's was not well executed enough. I still have no idea why he prioritized a bunch of nobodies he had no meaningful interaction with, over the person that, quote, "showed him kindness and saved him from the Third Demon Realm." I have no idea why he cares about their cause over Arinsu's.

To me, little thought was put behind his character other than being the token bad guy who becomes good by the end of the story, and a lot of his goals, motivations and morals remain a huge question mark to me.

[Mr Baggins]

I mean, if you had mentioned Daima's characters going through different kinds of character arcs, rather than saying "I'd argue Glorio has a better arc than most of the guest characters in Super. Kuu does too, of course." (my emphasis), it probably wouldn't have come across the way it did. Notably, your point about Koo's arc is interesting.

Well, I assume the "different kinds of arcs" thing you're referring to was my response about Kuu, but that was just me answering your question. My initial point was moreso that some roles aren't necessarily meant to encompass a character arc at all.

I would still argue, and have argued, that Glorio and Kuu (and Arinsu, for that matter) indeed have better arcs than a lot of what Super offers. "Better" is subjective, of course. It's also tangential to the main point I intended to make immediately following that statement, so that's my bad if I caused any confusion there.

But it's also not so subtle that people just aren't seeing it: even AliTheZombie, one of the show's biggest and most stubborn haters, noticed the face-turn coming well in advance.

I have no interest in discussing someone quite a few people here have agreed was laying on the performative whinging a bit thick, but I can speak to your point more broadly and say that not every detractor of a particular show will concur on the same critiques. The guy above you didn't recognize a face-turn at all.

I'm rewatching the show again via the English dub now. Just this latest episode had two pretty pivotal moments with Glorio; one where he's clearly distressed (and then clearly relieved) over Goku and Panzy's safety when they're attacked by the kraken, and one where a bewildered Glorio stares at Goku flying off to note that he's an interesting guy, the latter of which deliberately calls to mind Goku's special tendency to rub off on people. A lot of Daima's episodes have moments like this that kind of build off prior interactions in previous episodes. I would say it's fairly evident a lot of them went unnoticed by at least some viewers.

But if it didn't land for you, that's totally fair. There's no question that 'Goldilocks Zone' you're referring to is going to differ between people and tastes.

[Zephyr]

It's also tangential to the main point I intended to make immediately following that statement, so that's my bad if I caused any confusion there.

No worries.

The guy above you didn't recognize a face-turn at all.

I'm rewatching the show again via the English dub now. Just this latest episode had two pretty pivotal moments with Glorio; one where he's clearly distressed (and then clearly relieved) over Goku and Panzy's safety when they're attacked by the kraken, and one where a bewildered Glorio stares at Goku flying off to note that he's an interesting guy, the latter of which deliberately calls to mind Goku's special tendency to rub off on people. A lot of Daima's episodes have moments like this that kind of build off prior interactions in previous episodes. I would say it's fairly evident a lot of them went unnoticed by at least some viewers.

Fair enough, it seems he did not. The things you're pointing out from your rewatch were things I noticed on my first watch-through. There were frequent indications throughout that Glorio was slowly getting to like these people. Wasn't enough to land in my own Goldilocks Zone, so to speak, possibly because of what small proportion of the screentime was devoted to their interactions at all (ie: in a shorter show with less fluff it may have comprised a more sizable proportion), though there are still more details that would have made it more compelling and satisfying for me.

I still have no idea why he prioritized a bunch of nobodies he had no meaningful interaction with, over the person that, quote, "showed him kindness and saved him from the Third Demon Realm." I have no idea why he cares about their cause over Arinsu's.

To me, little thought was put behind his character other than being the token bad guy who becomes good by the end of the story, and a lot of his goals, motivations and morals remain a huge question mark to me.

It was pretty straightforward why. He got to know them during their trip and felt bad about betraying them as a result. More than he felt bad about betraying Arinsu, who had less noble intentions with her wish.

There was sufficient thought put into his character, but probably not sufficient thought (or care) put into The Execution™. The audience was kept in the dark regarding a lot of relevant details for most of the show for some reason. When we finally do learn what was up between the two of them, all I could think was "oh, that's all?" Like, it's fine. It functions. It works. But it hardly strove to do more than that.

[Yuji]

I also don't understand why the gang rubbed off on Glorio.

Shin is an "elitist" Glind who suspected foul play from him for most of the trip. This is never really addressed again, by the way.

Goku has a tendency to rub off on people, but it's usually shown why very explicitly. He spares Piccolo, Vegeta and others, or he actively saves/does something for the other person. Glorio and Goku's personalities clash but not in a way that complements Glorio. You can vaguely assume via the final episode that Glorio needed some sort of parent figure, which he found firstly in Arinsu, and then in Goku (this becomes more apparent visually once he becomes an adult again), but this should have been made clearer. This is not subtlety, it's bad conveyance.

The B team he barely interacted with.

He has one decent, fully realized relationship, and it's with Panzy. You could maybe argue he changed because of Panzy but I don't think there was enough to justify a deep care for the whole group.

[AliTheZombie13]

Fair enough, it seems he did not.

I did say Glorio was gonna pull a Giru since Episode 2, so um...
Whether you call that me predicting stuff given Daima's own content or just me comparing it to GT, take it as you will.

Glorio does feel like GT Trunks, who also wielded pistols in Toriyama's drafts.
What I meant with that GIF was, I'm expecting there to be some point in the story where Glorio will pull a Trunks & Giru and feel like he's betraying the main cast, only to reveal that "Ha! It was actually just a master plan to uncover the true main villain!"

Glorio is working for the bad guys... Giru confirmed?

Also, at this point, I'm calling it: Glorio has been intentionally breaking down the plane to avoid getting to the First Demon Realm. He's gonna pull a Giru. I can see it from a mile away. They're not very subtle about it.

There was sufficient thought put into his character, but probably not sufficient thought (or care) put into The Execution™. The audience was kept in the dark regarding a lot of relevant details for most of the show for some reason. When we finally do learn what was up between the two of them, all I could think was "oh, that's all?" Like, it's fine. It functions. It works. But it hardly strove to do more than that.

Well, here's the thing: When you think about all the finer details, you realize that none of it makes any sense.
Put yourself in Glorio's shoes.

He's supposedly spent his entire life in a garbage realm, being treated like garbage, desperate to escape. And then one person shows up, is the only one who ever shows him any sort of kindness, saves him from that hellscape, under the condition that he'll help her achieve her goals. That's it, a whole life of struggling and fighting, and he finally got his salvation, thanks to this one person who by all means, Glorio should not see as being all that bad.

When the moment of truth comes, and Glorio must decide whether he'll make Arinsu's ultimate wish come true, to be the ruler of the Demon Realm and be all-powerful, and who's going to turn the Demon Realm into a strong, scary place, a million questions pop in my head: Why should Glorio care about her threats to the outside world? Is Glorio a good person? Does he have a sense of morality? Does he care about the other people in the Demon Realm? Does he care about the other people outside of the Demon Realm? Does he doubt Arinsu's sense of morality? Does he even care what happens to everybody else who is not him if her morals turn out not to be that good as they were to him? Does he find himself aligning better with the heroes' morals? But the heroes themselves seldom display any sense of morality of their own. Like many people here are always eager to say: They're not superheroes.

From Glorio's perspective, he should think that everything sucks, the world is a piece of shit, and everybody in it sucks, he should trust no one, except himself and the one person who is supposedly kind to him. If someone like that was kind enough to rescue him, then that person should make for a good ruler, which ironically enough, is Koo's line of dialogue to Arinsu, not Glorio's. I mean, sure, he spent a week bonding with other people, occasionally giving them thumbs ups and complimenting them on small feats, but does that even make a difference to a lifetime of supposedly traumatic experiences in his shitty realm for him to turn on Arinsu?

None of this gets explored or answered, hence why I said, "Little thought was put behind Glorio's character."
Sure, you can believe that this one week he spent giving small compliments and being around these happy-go-lucky fighting-obsessed weirdos changed his entire outlook on life, but I just don't buy it.

[Zephyr]

Fair enough, it seems he did not.

I did say Glorio was gonna pull a Giru since Episode 2, so um...
Whether you call that me predicting stuff given Daima's own content or just me comparing it to GT, take it as you will.

Not you, dbs fanboy, "the guy above [me]".

[Koitsukai]

I actually never had an issue seeing why Glorio would prefer the Goku team. It has already been established that Goku's singular nature changes people, even the worse of the worse. It's like asking why would somebody feel attracted to Kramer... he is just that guy, the guy with Kavorka.

My issue was not knowing why Glorio would be so loyal to Arinsu, a clearly ill-intended majin, while Glorio was shown to be fishy but also not evil.
The reason why was revealed after the betrayal, which made the actual decision lose its weight. Meaning, I knew he would not betray Goku because they never showed us anything between Glorio and Arinsu. He had no reason to be loyal to her, or should I say, the audience had no reason to believe he would be loyal to her.
Now, had their bond been shown prior to that, and it was established that Glorio was in debt with Arinsu, then maybe Glorio's dilemma would've worked better.

And I'm also not sold on Glorio screwing over people that saved his life many times and are just trying to save a baby namekian and regain their adult bodys (all of this caused by Arinsu) just out of gratitude. I guess it's funny-ish because Arinsu wasn't that evil after all, instead of having him by the majin balls, it was based on honor and keeping your word. All that was jeopardized was Arinsu's opinion of Glorio. But again, that need for approval on Glorio's character was never portrayed. Not to my satisfaction, at least.

[AliTheZombie13]

I actually never had an issue seeing why Glorio would prefer the Goku team. It has already been established that Goku's singular nature changes people, even the worse of the worse. It's like asking why would somebody feel attracted to Kramer... he is just that guy, the guy with Kavorka.

My issue was not knowing why Glorio would be so loyal to Arinsu, a clearly ill-intended majin, while Glorio was shown to be fishy but also not evil.

To me, it was never really conveyed what Glorio's ultimate moral alignment is. Whether he starts as evil, good or neutral.
My interpretation leans towards "neutral," but every direction I take him just leaves me questioning more.

[Yuji]

Arinsu may have been Glorio's mom, but Goku was his daddy.