Has Super and Daima replaced Z and GT in the modern era?

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Super IS also popular but not on the same tier in my opinion.

I wonder if Super would've gotten there had it not ended so abruptly as it did. Super's popularity was at an all time high in 2018 thanks to the climax of the tournament and Broly's movie, but for whatever reason they decided not to continue it.

[GokuHater]

Super IS also popular but not on the same tier in my opinion.

I wonder if Super would've gotten there had it not ended so abruptly as it did. Super's popularity was at an all time high in 2018 thanks to the climax of the tournament and Broly's movie, but for whatever reason they decided not to continue it.

Probably all the law drama though I can't imagine Super going very far even without it. I still stand that it was cut short and actually had much more material to adapt if Toei didn't pull the plug. Reminds me a bit of GT ending.

[Vegeta th3 4th]

Probably all the law drama though I can't imagine Super going very far even without it. I still stand that it was cut short and actually had much more material to adapt if Toei didn't pull the plug. Reminds me a bit of GT ending.

GT was actually intended to be short from the start (at least according to Toriyama). The ending itself was even set in stone before the first episode aired. GT was continuing a run that had already been going on for 10 years, then there's the rarity (at the time) of anime going beyond their source material. Considering the even number of 65 episodes we got (5 sets of 13 episodes), I believe it was indeed planned as a short send off for the series. We actually know Super was cut short, as one of the box sets was announced to go up to episode 132.

[super michael]

Dragon Ball Raging Blast doesn't have Z in its name.
Dragon Ball Xenoverse doesn't have Z in its name.

I don't know why it matters if Dragon Ball Sparking Zero doesn't have Z in its name.

Dragon Ball Sparking Zero ignored many things in Super, such as Beerus in a costume and Goku not knowing meditation in DBS Super Hero.
We got to see Future Trunks stay in the present time line to fight in the ToP, which was really good.


Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z didn't become popular and good due to it being child hood memory or nostalgia, they were just that good. People like the story, art style, adventure, character, character growth, fight, action, training, writing, gag and world building.

Yamcha used to be a bandit, while Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu used to be former assassin an example. Piccolo used to be evil, until he slowly changed to the good side.

Goku didn't know anything about the world, he didn't know what a girl looked like. Then he slowly learned as he traveled the world. Then he himself got married and had kids.



Then comes DBS and they ruin their characters, just because they couldn't be bothered to put any effort into their writing. Goku had to be extremely dumb, even when it comes to things that Goku should already know.
Chi Chi, Boo, Goten and Trunks they were written bad.

[GokuHater]

Probably all the law drama though I can't imagine Super going very far even without it. I still stand that it was cut short and actually had much more material to adapt if Toei didn't pull the plug. Reminds me a bit of GT ending.

GT was actually intended to be short from the start (at least according to Toriyama). The ending itself was even set in stone before the first episode aired. GT was continuing a run that had already been going on for 10 years, then there's the rarity (at the time) of anime going beyond their source material. Considering the even number of 65 episodes we got (5 sets of 13 episodes), I believe it was indeed planned as a short send off for the series. We actually know Super was cut short, as one of the box sets was announced to go up to episode 132.

Yeah but even so, I imagine, if GT turned out to be a financial and business success, they wouldn't want to drop it so fast.

[MasenkoHA]

Probably all the law drama though I can't imagine Super going very far even without it. I still stand that it was cut short and actually had much more material to adapt if Toei didn't pull the plug. Reminds me a bit of GT ending.

GT was actually intended to be short from the start (at least according to Toriyama). The ending itself was even set in stone before the first episode aired. GT was continuing a run that had already been going on for 10 years, then there's the rarity (at the time) of anime going beyond their source material. Considering the even number of 65 episodes we got (5 sets of 13 episodes), I believe it was indeed planned as a short send off for the series. We actually know Super was cut short, as one of the box sets was announced to go up to episode 132.

Yeah but even so, I imagine, if GT turned out to be a financial and business success, they wouldn't want to drop it so fast.

Running for almost a year and half is hardly “dropping is it so fast” especially when its immediately following a 10 year run.

[goku the krump dancer]

On a global scale “Dragon Ball Z” incapsulates the ENTIRE franchise. GT, Super and Daima are just subsections of said franchise, hell some folks might even consider the first half of the story (Pilaf through the 23rd Tournament) as a sub section as well, even if personally I BEG to differ. But as a whole when most people think of Dragon Ball they think of Vegeta, Freeza, Cell, Boo, they think of Goku holding Raditz in place for the Makanko, Piccolo sacrificing himself for Gohan against Nappa, Goku and Vegeta’s beam clash, Freeza impaling Krillin, Vegeta’s first death and Goku turning SS for the first time. They think of Trunks one shotting Freeza, Vegeta going SS for the first time and later getting beaten by 18, they think of the shocking twist of Vegeta letting Cell absorb 18 and Gohan going SS2 for the first time and Goku’s big sacrifice along with Gohan being older, the introduction of fusion, SS3, MAJIN Vegeta (which is probably the most popular version of the character), Boo’s crazy abilities and forms, Vegetto and everyone helping out with the final spirit bomb.

All those moments and characters mentioned along with many MANY more that I haven’t are the reasons why DB(Z) in particular is the FACE of the franchise and will more than likely always will be.

Super is in a weird spot because the fans know that chronologically “in universe” it’s the modern version of the characters despite the story (or lack there of) that Daima (the IRL modern version of the characters) told but it’s currently on hiatus so Daima is gonna get the “New Guy Push” until Super is ready for a comeback. Even when it does though and gets the new guy push again most people with still look at it as new Dragon Ball side quests as opposed to “hey when I think of Dragon Ball I think of Ultra Instinct, what the heck is a Meta-Cooler?!” though I’m sure there’re some sprinkles of younger generations who probably think that way, by and large most people who even keep up with this stuff still go “ Yeah the Kaioken Blue scene was cool n all but Goku going SS3 for the first time still gets my heart racing!”

[MCDaveG]

Not really, everything is Z based and Super and Daima are pretty much two unrelated spin-offs/sequels (midquels, or whatever).
That's how I perceive it.

GT at least had this unfortunate advantage of being done as a direct sequel, both in it's conception and both in smoothless TV programming continuation. Thanks to RTL7 running the three series in succession, I had my wtf moment as a kid with new logo and opening after Z ended.
I'd say, that Super actually "replaced" GT as sequel/midquel and Daima is again, like this standalone sequel/midquel again and both as the most recent ones (we might say, negating each other as the "freshest newest Z spin-off), either replacing Super and happening in it's own vacuum, or you might take it as a prequel to Super, which doesn't really match.

But in theory, you can watch the whole series with some headscratches and turning your canon zeal off, as Dragon Ball, Z – jump in after Buu arc with Daima, then Super, Broly and Super Hero movie, jump back to the epilogue episodes of Z and end with GT

[tonysoprano300]

Nah I don’t think so. I still think Z holds a much more prominent in position in the public consciousness than Super does. I think the average person is more likely to know Cell than they are Beerus or Zamasu, if you mention “Future Trunks” their mind will immediately go to the Cell arc not the Goku Black arc. If you say “Super Saiyan” they will think of Goku powering up against Freeza not the SSJ God ritual etc.

DBZ is the face of Dragon Ball, so much so that like 50% of the western audience hasn’t even seen anything before the arrival of Radditz. Every iconic quote, every impactful character moment is considered to be in DBZ.

Its similar to how i have never seen a single star wars film but even I know that the franchise is defined by the original trilogy. Even if the newer instalments made more money, they will never have the same weight in public’s perception as something like The Empire Strikes Back.

And in total fairness, it doesn’t seem like Super really wanted to take that spot. Its more DB content yes, but it wasn’t a genuine continuation of the franchise. The ending of DBZ is still the ending, the status in Boo saga is still the Status quo. DBZ for better or worse was an evolving story where one arc bled into the next.