Dragon Ball Genkida Matsuri 2026 DBS remaster, DBS galactic patrol arc, Age 1000 announced.

[miguelnuva1]

I doubt their going to leave

Ultra Instinct SS4 Goku

Ultra Ego SS4 Vegeta

Ego Instinct fusion and

Instinct Ego SS4 fusion off the table.

Way to much merch that could be sold off these 4 concepts.

If they cared about merchandise then how come we haven't got these:

Perfect fusion Teen Gotenks and his transformation
Pan as a Super Saiyan
Goten beyond SSJ
Trunks beyond SSJ
Gogeta SSJ2, SSJ3, SSG, SSBE, UI and UE

Half of those are either in Dragonball Super heroes or not as popular as Goku and Vegeta.

[funrush]

It would definitely be kinda silly to have Shin and Kibito defuse refuse defuse and refuse etc... It would give the continuity an even sloppier feeling than in generally has in Dragon Ball. Especially in this hypothetical scenario where we have SSJ3 Vegeta and SSJ4 Goku. Like, if you wanna go connect Super and Daima, why not go the extra mile?

Those two have no desire to be fused together, I don't see how it could happen unless Old Kai pranks them again

If Newper (lol) does merge Daima into continuity surely the play would be to have them unfused for the entire show.

As for the discussion of "Why show SS4 once?" There are times we see Goku use SS3. You could just have him go SS4 instead in some of those scenes.

If they decide to keep Daima as a separate continuity, it makes me wonder if maybe we will get more Daima down the road. Because why not consolidate them into one thing, unless they want to leave the door open to do more stories in that 4 years between Daima and when Battle of Gods takes place?

[Scsigs]

I love how you decide to be an asshole for no reason and then write a paragraph as if I'm going to bother respecting anything you have to say afterward.

You said you didn't take any of my words into consideration, then go on to keep saying shit as if connecting Daima & Super both makes sense as-is or with less tweaks than it WOULD take to do so, or what they're going to do. The most I see them doing with anything established in Daima is incorporating some of the lore. That's about it & I view it as a moot point to try to make them fit into 1 cohesive timeline when it's not likely to happen. I'm only reacting in a way that makes sense with you not engaging with what I've said & explicitly ignoring it because you personally don't like it. You've also made some really bad arguments in the past on here that I've seen & not responded to in other threads, so I know how to take most of what you say. I'm more just not dealing with bullshit here & I'm not the only one I see. But, I'm done with this because it's beating a dead horse at this point. I see Skar has carried on in this argument.

The idea of the DBS remake incorporating transformations and lore from Daima just sounds really lame to me. Having Goku use SS4 against Beerus wouldn’t add anything to the story.

The whole project is lame, they might as well toss in shit for fun. This is the same project that will ostensibly be including Super Saiyan Gokuu Black, after all.

The intent of the project is to honor Toriyama by making a more "Director's Cut" version of Super that incorporates more things on the manga he either directly had a hand in or personally approved of Toyotaro adding to it while keeping what worked from their original anime version of it but also recutting it down & sprucing up the animation to improve the presentation as well as adapt what they haven't yet into the anime. Due to this, it's highly illogical to suggest or expect they'll reference Daima's events in any way outside of maybe a wink or nod or incorporating some of the lore.

(with some rewritings)

Can you read, my dear Dragon Ball fan?

I can. However, I don't see how making some changes suddenly makes it work. I'd rather they stick to its gag manga roots, but I also don't see them adapting it at all. The time to have done that was when it was being written, I'd think.

The one issue that I personally have with retconning Daima stuff into Newper is that SS4 and God both exist to contrast the three yellow haired Super Saiyans. Super Saiyan God would leave a much weaker impression coming off the heels of another primarily red form (though Super Saiyan God is over 10 years old, so it's not like first impressions are necessarily a priority). Otherwise, I think the most economic way to accommodate Daima would just be to acknowledge them in dialogue to explain why they aren't appearing ("Even if I could still go SS4, it wouldn't be enough to beat Beerus"/"Kakarrot already used SS3 and lost. I might as well conserve my stamina")

It's also kinda funny. The powers that be in the franchise don't want Super Saiyan Blue to be seen as stronger than SS4 (even though, by all metrics of how power scaling works in DB, it should be since it's a more controlled version of SS God, just fused with the regular SS form accessing the God ki), so establishing SS God & SS Blue as being more in-use & coming after SS4 in the official timeline would ruin that because Goku & Vegeta largely stopped using their regular Super Saiyan forms after attaining SS God & Blue because they're more powerful than them. So, that'd be even more reason that they wouldn't want SS4 in the same timeline as Blue.

I concur that SS4 parallels SSG in that way. They have a similar color palette and follow the same "red after yellow" progression, but are polar opposites in design philosophy – one is skinny and elegant with a brighter hue, the other bulky and bestial with a darker hue. Thinking of them more as alternate branch forms depending on the continuity is so much cleaner than just forcing SS4 into Battle of Gods to appease a vocal minority.

Also, it won't look nearly as good under Yamamuro's design sheets. Those designs were made for a different series with a whole different artstyle and look best under that style.

Nothing wrong with keeping Daima and Super separate, as was obviously intended given the plethora of reasons laid out by many of us ITT. And if Sparking! ZERO is anything to go off of, that's exactly what they'll do.

Yamamuro redesigned SS4 in his the newer artstyle used in Super for Super Dragon Ball Heroes, so they'd just have to take that design & use it if they were going to.

[Shaddy]

Open the fucking schools

Daima is not so far outside the purview of Super's canon that it's illegal to give it any references whatsoever, that's stupid. They could say it's within 2015 Super's continuity with no changes at all and it still wouldn't be the biggest contradiction Dragon Ball has made. They don't care. It's literally fine. They're allowed to do it. Will they? Probably not, but that's not because it's a bad idea or because Daima doesn't belong with its siblings, but because Toei is autistic and their special interest is wasted potential.

Neko Majin has nothing of value to adapt. Even when it's incorporating Dragon Ball, it's not Dragon Ball and it has no intention of being Dragon Ball. It's just Toriyama shitting around being silly, and it's barely even a story, just some fun jokes and references. It can't have "some rewriting to make it fit", you'd be making a completely different thing for any of it to fit. That's like saying you can just "do some rewriting" to make Sailor Moon fit into DB's continuity.

If anyone really wanted to argue in favor of adapting a Toriyama work, it'd fucking obviously have to be Jaco, since RoF made it required reading despite most fans not knowing what the hell it was at the time. I feel like I'm taking fucking crazy pills watching people argue whether it makes more sense to adapt the Star Wars lunchbox or the Star Wars pencil set when one of the better novels is staring them both in the face. This fandom has seriously skewed priorities.

Also, all Julie said was that the trailer doesn't definitively prove SS4 isn't in the show, scsigs. When you respond to this objectively-true statement with "L take after L take from you", why is it such a shock that she calls you an ass and doesn't want to talk to you anymore?

[Grimlock]

I can. However, I don't see how making some changes suddenly makes it work. I'd rather they stick to its gag manga roots, but I also don't see them adapting it at all. The time to have done that was when it was being written, I'd think.

Because the only contradiction is Vegeta working for Freeza, just get rid of that, I don't think there are more problems. But if it's really impossible, then just bring those characters over and ignore the rest. Kind of in a similar way to what was done with Broly. That can absolutely be done.

[The Dark Knight]

The only way Daima can be connected to Super will be in this new Battle of Gods remake; if it doesn't happen here, it won't happen at all. We won't be waiting long to find out if they're connecting them or not.

[Scsigs]

The only way Daima can be connected to Super will be in this new Battle of Gods remake; if it doesn't happen here, it won't happen at all. We won't be waiting long to find out if they're connecting them or not.

The problem is that they're keeping the original story as written, only redrawing key shots & moments that were poorly animated originally & cutting all the fluff you don't need for the story. Expecting them to throw in a "Oh yeah, that happened" to reference Daima is illogical.

Open the fucking schools

Daima is not so far outside the purview of Super's canon that it's illegal to give it any references whatsoever, that's stupid. They could say it's within 2015 Super's continuity with no changes at all and it still wouldn't be the biggest contradiction Dragon Ball has made. They don't care. It's literally fine. They're allowed to do it. Will they? Probably not, but that's not because it's a bad idea or because Daima doesn't belong with its siblings, but because Toei is autistic and their special interest is wasted potential.

Neko Majin has nothing of value to adapt. Even when it's incorporating Dragon Ball, it's not Dragon Ball and it has no intention of being Dragon Ball. It's just Toriyama shitting around being silly, and it's barely even a story, just some fun jokes and references. It can't have "some rewriting to make it fit", you'd be making a completely different thing for any of it to fit. That's like saying you can just "do some rewriting" to make Sailor Moon fit into DB's continuity.

If anyone really wanted to argue in favor of adapting a Toriyama work, it'd fucking obviously have to be Jaco, since RoF made it required reading despite most fans not knowing what the hell it was at the time. I feel like I'm taking fucking crazy pills watching people argue whether it makes more sense to adapt the Star Wars lunchbox or the Star Wars pencil set when one of the better novels is staring them both in the face. This fandom has seriously skewed priorities.

Also, all Julie said was that the trailer doesn't definitively prove SS4 isn't in the show, scsigs. When you respond to this objectively-true statement with "L take after L take from you", why is it such a shock that she calls you an ass and doesn't want to talk to you anymore?

I would say it would be. At least since GT or most of the original DBZ movies. You can't just throw 2 contradicting storylines in the same continuity & just expect things to work out or people to expect it. That's part of the problem with doing this & I think the producers at Toei understand this. They've not said this remaster will connect Daima in any way. This is a rebooting of Super that serves nothing more than to rewrite the worst sins Super committed & add stuff from the manga.
I'm also not saying that they can't reference things from Daima in Super. I just wouldn't expect anything passed a reference to some of the new lore in ways that make sense for it to be referenced.

Agreed. Neko Majin was a gag manga not meant to be taken seriously in any way. It's why Toriyama gave Freeza a kid & didn't care that it makes no sense for a Vegeta wearing Android arc armor to be working for him. The only meaningful thing that Neko Majin Z has is that, at 1 point that I know of, it shows Goku training Uub in Uub's village. That's it. It's like saying we need to make Dr. Slump 100% canon with Dragon Ball by rewriting the things that stop them from being so in a new anime adaptation because they had 2 crossovers, despite them never intending to be in the same continuity & the versions of the characters that appear in DB aren't meant to be 100% the same ones from the original series.

I mean, I'm not shocked. I'm just not wanting to entertain a "This COULD happen" notion when we have no reasons to believe they will. Just from the teaser trailer showing clips from the finished redone animations, we aren't getting anything that'll reference Daima. The mission statement of this project is to rework the best & main parts of what's in the Super anime & add stuff from the manga to adhere more to Toriyama's vision because he personally approved of or directly added things to it as Toyotaro write it while Toei didn't have his involvement passed adapting his plot outlines & adding whatever was in his notes that came with them. It's, thus, completely illogical & stupid to expect anything other than this unless we see or hear it in the product itself. We're also treating the people at Toei like they don't pay attention to the reactions to what they do &, while Daima isn't hated, they're certainly aware of the responses to it doing things like giving Vegeta SS3 & Goku SS4 & the continuity problems this creates when you try to mix the events of both Daima & Super. The people at Toei who work on these shows write stories for TV shows & movies all the time & aren't stupid. They're storytellers & they understand this. It's why a franchise like Kamen Rider has a billion different continuities for the main shows, the fact that a lot of them are set in different universes, & a number of the movies from the Heisei era are set in alternate timelines or universes from the shows just so they could tell the stories they wanted to tell in them. Hell, Decade has just about every returning Rider be an alternate universe version of them to not deal with continuity problems with the original shows (especially since a lot of the actors couldn't return).
And if anyone's gonna bring up the old Z movies as a rebuttal, the mission statements of the old Z movies was to make an exciting film that the kids who watched the Z anime or read the manga could go to the cinemas to see during a holiday or at a certain time of year. They were never trying to make them be in continuity unless they saw an opening in the manga like a timeskip, hence the many contradictions in most of them to the original series & manga, & even then, they don't always slot in well. And even with GT, it's clear that they were trying to set it in the continuity of the animes despite some contradictions & inclusions of things from a few of the movies in broad strokes approaches to tell new stories. It didn't work out like they wanted (which is part of why they wanted Toriyama directly involved in writing new DB shit), but they still tried & they made some right moves with it to do so initially. There's a reason most fans have the "great ideas, poor execution" opinion on it.

[The Dark Knight]

The problem is that they're keeping the original story as written, only redrawing key shots & moments that were poorly animated originally & cutting all the fluff you don't need for the story. Expecting them to throw in a "Oh yeah, that happened" to reference Daima is illogical.

The reason I bring this up is because they will be re-recording certain dialogue bits, so that would give them an opening without having to actually animate new scenes. Ssj4 Goku Vs. Beerus is not happening, but Goku hinting at having something stronger by saying "I don't need to go above Ssj3 to fight you" is a possibility. With that said, I do lean heavily towards your position of it not happening, as I think they just want to focus on what's already going on in Super proper without having to worry about another show that (despite loving it myself) didn't exactly set the world on fire. Once Beerus airs its sixth and final episode, I think and hope this debate of "will they or won't they" be over so we can move on. It's unfortunate that some fans' enjoyment of certain stories depend on whether or not they're connected to others. If you like Daima (as you should ), it being connected to Super or not should be irrelevant.

[SupremeKai25]

Super is already connected to Daima by virtue of the fact that Gowasu and other Super-original Kaioshin appear in Daima. No more "connections" are required.

"But Rymus! Super Saiyan 4! And this and that!"

It doesn't matter. Gowasu literally appears in Daima. They are connected. That is what we see.

[miguelnuva1]

We don't know if Daima and Super are connected for sure until after what ever Toyotaro is doing next.

Dragonball leaders who weren't wrong around the time Daima was coming out said they heard there were plans to connect them which was in 2023 around the time Toriyama would have been contacted on the new Super.

Both the Manga and Anime could have Goku remember SS4 post Granolah for all we know.

[JulieYBM]

A trailer for a project coming out in nine-plus months is not going to be wholly representative of the final project. Shots in the trailer will inevitably be changed by the time those episodes come out and then probably changed again for the Blu-ray release.

[The Dark Knight]

A trailer for a project coming out in nine-plus months is not going to be wholly representative of the final project. Shots in the trailer will inevitably be changed by the time those episodes come out and then probably changed again for the Blu-ray release.

I would agree with you if this was a full-blown remake from the ground up, but a glorified remaster ? I just can't see Ssj4 Goku making an appearance.

Super is already connected to Daima by virtue of the fact that Gowasu and other Super-original Kaioshin appear in Daima. No more "connections" are required.

Jiren and Zamasu appear in both Super and Heroes, does that mean the two shows are now connected ? Characters appearing in multiple shows doesn't automatically connect them.

[Grimlock]

I would agree with you if this was a full-blown remake from the ground up, but a glorified remaster ? I just can't see Ssj4 Goku making an appearance.

But as someone reminded us, Gohan transforms into Super Saiyan in one of the early Movie 14 trailers, but transforms into Ultimate in the movie.

Based on that alone, you can realistically expect that Goku will use Super Saiyan 4 and Vegeta his Super Saiyan 3; Kaioshin of East and Kibito will be fused again, saying they just had to fuse once more; Goku and company will say that they forgot that the Multiverse was already mentioned to them when they went to Demon Realm.

The flashback in which Gowasu appears turns out to be a fourth-wall breaking thing, meaning the characters saw it too. So, once we get to the remaster of Future Trunks saga, upon seeing Gowasu, they will casually and conveniently remember him, prompting another dialogue that acknowledges Dragon Ball Daima. There, everything explained tightly, no loose ends. Dragon Ball Daima and Dragon Ball Super, two birds of a feather, coexisting in one and the same continuity. Everyone's happy.

[SupremeKai25]

Jiren and Zamasu appear in both Super and Heroes, does that mean the two shows are now connected ? Characters appearing in multiple shows doesn't automatically connect them.

Yes? They are in fact connected? The Zamasu who appears in Heroes is quite literally the Zamasu who appears in the Future Trunks saga of DBS. That's why he's got the patches covering the part of his body that turned into purple goo.

If you're saying "then the characters in DBS should bring up the events of Heroes", then you are talking about Canon, which is different from Continuity. The Heroes mini-series is clearly connected to the continuity of the DBS Anime. This is an undeniable fact: The character of Zamasu who appears in Heroes is the same Zamasu we saw in DBS.

Likewise, the character of Gowasu who appears in Daima is the same Gowasu we saw in Super.

Having one character appear in two shows is in fact a way to bridge the gap between those shows.

[The Dark Knight]

Yes? They are in fact connected? The Zamasu who appears in Heroes is quite literally the Zamasu who appears in the Future Trunks saga of DBS. That's why he's got the patches covering the part of his body that turned into purple goo.

If you're saying "then the characters in DBS should bring up the events of Heroes", then you are talking about Canon, which is different from Continuity. The Heroes mini-series is clearly connected to the continuity of the DBS Anime. This is an undeniable fact: The character of Zamasu who appears in Heroes is the same Zamasu we saw in DBS.

Does this mean GT is connected to Super, because those characters are in Heroes, which is (according to you) connected to Super ?

But as someone reminded us, Gohan transforms into Super Saiyan in one of the early Movie 14 trailers, but transforms into Ultimate in the movie.

Changing the hair color of a handful of frames is very different from animating an entire fight from the ground up.

[WittyUsername]

I don’t see what “potential” there could possibly be in saying that Daima exists in the same continuity as Super. Once more, Goku getting his ass kicked by Beerus as a SS4 wouldn’t change anything about the story. All it would do is appease the fans who insist that every aspect of Dragon Ball must fit together. Besides, if the purpose of the remake is to be more “faithful” to Toriyama’s outlines (whatever that’s even supposed to mean) then it wouldn’t make sense to bring in concepts from a series that hadn’t even been conceived when Toriyama wrote those outlines.

Unless they specifically plan to bring back characters from Daima, them saying that Daima happened in the DBS timeline would just be window dressing.

[SupremeKai25]

Does this mean GT is connected to Super, because those characters are in Heroes, which is (according to you) connected to Super ?

Heroes is connected to Super because the version of Zamasu who appears in Heroes is the same Zamasu from Super and he basically tells Hearts, "those are the mortals I fought in the past."

I don't want to talk about GT and I don't need to talk about GT to make my point. And it's not "according to me", it's according to the story and dialogue of the show.

[Scsigs]

The reason I bring this up is because they will be re-recording certain dialogue bits, so that would give them an opening without having to actually animate new scenes. Ssj4 Goku Vs. Beerus is not happening, but Goku hinting at having something stronger by saying "I don't need to go above Ssj3 to fight you" is a possibility. With that said, I do lean heavily towards your position of it not happening, as I think they just want to focus on what's already going on in Super proper without having to worry about another show that (despite loving it myself) didn't exactly set the world on fire. Once Beerus airs its sixth and final episode, I think and hope this debate of "will they or won't they" be over so we can move on. It's unfortunate that some fans' enjoyment of certain stories depend on whether or not they're connected to others. If you like Daima (as you should ), it being connected to Super or not should be irrelevant.

Yeah, I don't see them rewriting or rerecording any of the dialogue. I see the reasons for rerecording it as to change deliveries to go with the new animations where the originals wouldn't sync up properly with them.
We're basically in agreement.

Super is already connected to Daima by virtue of the fact that Gowasu and other Super-original Kaioshin appear in Daima. No more "connections" are required.

"But Rymus! Super Saiyan 4! And this and that!"

It doesn't matter. Gowasu literally appears in Daima. They are connected. That is what we see.

So, Daima making a reference to the other Kais that were established in Super to have been in their positions for a while makes it connected to Super? You realize that doesn't make a lot of sense, right? Gowasu is the Supreme Kai of Universe 10. That doesn't change unless they explicitly retcon it. Them making a reference to stuff we already know of because Super exists doesn't establish a direct connection. That's like saying World's Strongest is directly connected to the main timeline because it references Piccolo dying to protect Gohan from Nappa's Bomber DX despite all the continuity errors with what happens after that in both. It's a reference & continuity nod, but unless they do anything more, you can't logically infer that they're directly connected just based on that.

I would agree with you if this was a full-blown remake from the ground up, but a glorified remaster ? I just can't see Ssj4 Goku making an appearance.

But as someone reminded us, Gohan transforms into Super Saiyan in one of the early Movie 14 trailers, but transforms into Ultimate in the movie.

Based on that alone, you can realistically expect that Goku will use Super Saiyan 4 and Vegeta his Super Saiyan 3; Kaioshin of East and Kibito will be fused again, saying they just had to fuse once more; Goku and company will say that they forgot that the Multiverse was already mentioned to them when they went to Demon Realm.

The flashback in which Gowasu appears turns out to be a fourth-wall breaking thing, meaning the characters saw it too. So, once we get to the remaster of Future Trunks saga, upon seeing Gowasu, they will casually and conveniently remember him, prompting another dialogue that acknowledges Dragon Ball Daima. There, everything explained tightly, no loose ends. Dragon Ball Daima and Dragon Ball Super, two birds of a feather, coexisting in one and the same continuity. Everyone's happy.

Goku went Super Saiyan in the NEP of 1 of the episodes of the Otherworld Tournament arc of Z, yet the actual episode recolored his hair because they changed their mind & wanted to leave his Super Saiyan ability a surprise from Paikan until they fought later on. These kinds of things happen all the time.

[The Dark Knight]

Does this mean GT is connected to Super, because those characters are in Heroes, which is (according to you) connected to Super ?

Super is connected to Heroes because the version of Zamasu who appears in Heroes is the same Zamasu from Super and he literally tells Hearts, "those are the mortals I fought in the past."

I don't want to talk about GT and I don't neeed to talk about GT to make my point. And it's not "according to me", it's according to the story and dialogue of the show.

Does the concept of the multiverse or whatever Heroes did connect all of Dragon Ball together ? sure, everything can be connected that way. Does that automatically connect Daima to Super, as in can I watch Daima and then Super and it'll make sense ? absolutely not, at least not the Super from 2015-2018. We'll see what happens with the new Super coming out this year, but I highly doubt anything will change even there.

Goku went Super Saiyan in the NEP of 1 of the episodes of the Otherworld Tournament arc of Z, yet the actual episode recolored his hair because they changed their mind & wanted to leave his Super Saiyan ability a surprise from Paikan until they fought later on. These kinds of things happen all the time.

This is another great example I had forgotten about, which like the Gohan scene, was very small and easy to change in the grand scheme of things. People seem to believe that animating an entire fight from the ground up is easy work; it isn't. A Ssj4 Goku Vs. Beerus would go well beyond the scope and intention of this project.

[SupremeKai25]

Does this mean GT is connected to Super, because those characters are in Heroes, which is (according to you) connected to Super ?

Super is connected to Heroes because the version of Zamasu who appears in Heroes is the same Zamasu from Super and he literally tells Hearts, "those are the mortals I fought in the past."

I don't want to talk about GT and I don't neeed to talk about GT to make my point. And it's not "according to me", it's according to the story and dialogue of the show.

Does the concept of the multiverse or whatever Heroes did connect all of Dragon Ball together ? sure, everything can be connected that way. Does that automatically connect Daima to Super, as in can I watch Daima and then Super and it'll make sense ? absolutely not, at least not the Super from 2015-2018. We'll see what happens with the new Super coming out this year, but I highly doubt anything will change even there.

So, like, what are we talking about?

Are we talking about a scene of Goku turning SSJ4, confident he can beat Beerus, and getting his ass annihilated?

Because that would just be filler (we already know Beerus is beyond anything Goku has before the ritual), but I won't deny that the reaction of the fandom to Beerus destroying SSJ4 on screen would be quite phenomenal.