Does Movie 11 deserve its reputation as the “worst movie?”

[PhantomSaiyan]

Can you explain how it’s funny?

It references the well known stereotype of the classic meatheaded Dragon Ball fan that wants the same thing over and over again. Many people might look at my comment and be reminded of said type of fan if they ever interacted with them, and be amused at the thought.

Not saying you are that type of fan, the fact that it was a joke obviously implies I wasn't being serious.

If you were just asking why you don't personally find it funny, I'm sure I don't have to explain to you what subjectivity is, because I assume you're familiar with living in a world in which some people find some things funny and others don't

[Hellspawn28]

I find it to be a boring film with an ugly looking villain. I wish they have done their own original villain instead of Broly cover in diarrhea.

[Dbzk1999]

Can you explain how it’s funny?

It references the well known stereotype of the classic meatheaded Dragon Ball fan that wants the same thing over and over again. Many people might look at my comment and be reminded of said type of fan if they ever interacted with them, and be amused at the thought.

Not saying you are that type of fan, the fact that it was a joke obviously implies I wasn't being serious.

If you were just asking why you don't personally find it funny, I'm sure I don't have to explain to you what subjectivity is, because I assume you're familiar with living in a world in which some people find some things funny and others don't

And I assume you’re familiar with living in a world where people don’t want to be included in or part of certain jokes.

I’m not insulting you, I’m not going to do anything like that, I’m just going to tell you I don’t like being included in that, joking or not.

[PhantomSaiyan]

And I assume you’re familiar with living in a world where people don’t want to be included in or part of certain jokes.

I’m not insulting you, I’m not going to do anything like that, I’m just going to tell you I don’t like being included in that, joking or not.

It wasn't my intention to upset you, like I said I wasn't being serious, so for me it wasn't that deep.

Sorry for making it seem like you were that type of db fan. Of course it's normal to dislike the movie, it would be crazy to imply that only meatheads who don't like new things would dislike it. So crazy that I didn't think anyone would have taken it seriously lol

[MasenkoHA]

No and I’m kind of surprised it is when movie 10 is just so obviously much worse mostly for being fucking boring from start to finish. And even I, someone who can’t give two shits about the logistics of Roshi being able to destroy the moon in early Dragon Ball and how that pertains to planet busters and power scaling, am bothered that Broli somehow railed on Videl without actually breaking her into pieces when he isn’t known for restraint.

Z movie 11 is like movie 9 that the set up, in this case 18 coming after Mr.Satan for her money, is fun enough I don’t care the meat and potatoes of the plot is actually stale and boring.

[Zebra]

Bringing Broly back for the second time was lazy, but it made sense given his popularity and the box office performance of the other movies. None of the movies are particularly creative, anyway. Bio-Broly had a stupid-looking design as he just looked like he was covered in poop, but I think it's kinda cool how he looks like Clayface from Batman.

I think the biggest issue with the movie is that Goten and Trunks aren't good enough leads. It's silly to focus on them, No.18, and Kurilin over significantly more popular characters like Gokuu, Gohan, Vegeeta, and Piccolo. If Gokuu was the lead and Bio-Broly had a better design, the movie probably would've grossed more in Japan. Maybe you could've had Broly fuse with another villain, like Hatchiyack.

[90sDBZ]

I'd rank it pretty low, although I enjoy most of the Z movies.

Bio Broly isn't bad by any means. It just lacks Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan, and is a disappointment for those who wanted another actual Broly movie.

Its continuity is interesting, as it acts as a followup to both Movie 10 and the 25th Tournament.

It's fun seeing more of 18 and Mr Satan, and it's nice to see Krillin not be treated entirely as a joke. With Goten and Trunks getting the spotlight, it almost feels like a wasted opportunity not to have Gotenks appear.

[Zebra]

I'd rank it pretty low, although I enjoy most of the Z movies.

Bio Broly isn't bad by any means. It just lacks Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan, and is a disappointment for those who wanted another actual Broly movie.

Its continuity is interesting, as it acts as a followup to both Movie 10 and the 25th Tournament.

It's fun seeing more of 18 and Mr Satan, and it's nice to see Krillin not be treated entirely as a joke. With Goten and Trunks getting the spotlight, it almost feels like a wasted opportunity not to have Gotenks appear.

The movie came out before Gotenks even appeared in the manga.

[BernardoCairo]

The movie itself is awful. But almost all the Z movies were like that. Sure, Battle of Gods is very good, but that's another story. The 90s movies had weak scripts, with movie 12 probably being the least bad. Personally, I hate movie 1 more than any other.

[Gaffer Tape]

I don't think it deserves its reputation at all. It's such a breath of fresh air. I don't like it quite as much as 10, but as far as Goten and Trunks helming a movie goes, it's a lot of fun. Wacky premise, bizarre aesthetics, engaging side characters. I would easily take this one over movie 4 or movie 6 or movie 7. Those three are largely interchangeable with each other. Like it or not (and for the record, I do like it), this one is at least unforgettable.

[jjgp1112]

I used to be a Movie 11 hater but honestly just going full B-Movie shlock instead of doing another retread of the Movie Formula instantly make sit way more rewatchable than the average Z movie.

The main thing holding it back though is Goten and Trunks as the leads.

[Kid Buu]

Yeah, I agree that I love the B-movie shlock of it. It's not my favourite (Movie 4 or 12 is) but I prefer over 10 which bored me.

[Bento-uri]

The main thing holding it back though is Goten and Trunks as the leads.

The unpopularity of these two characters is startling when u consider they're Goku and Vegeta's kids. People even blame them for messing up the Boo Saga even though Gotenks was a decent character, and the saga as a whole is renowned for the Fusion dance these two characters performed. DBGT tried making one of them (Trunks) relevant and came close to succeeding. Super, on the other hand, ditched both. Existence wise, Trunks is above criticism; he was already around as a baby during Cell Saga.

Goten in a different story. His whole existence feels like a rushed decision. When he was first introduced in the Saiyaman arc, I remember Gohan musing over how similar Goten is to Goku (and something about having the potential to surpass everybody). Maybe, Toriyama originally intended for him to defeat some powerful villain like Gohan did with Cell? I always found Goten's position in the opening "We Gotta Power" (the little boy who sits besides the hero on the nimbus) parallels that of little Gohan in "CHA-LA HEAD-CHA-LA". It's crazy to think that Goku's older son has had tons of memorable scenes while the younger is hardly more relevant than Yamcha.

More to the point, Movie 11 sucked for me because of Goku, Vegeta and Gohan's absence. Android 18 was the only bright spot.

[kiarasuraru]

I relatively recently re-watched Bio Broly and Fusion Reborn back to back, and frankly, I ended up enjoying Bio Broly much more as a whole.

If Fusion Reborn was solely the afterlife stuff it would be a genuine 10/10 but it's not. It's constantly and constantly keeps getting interrupted by the cuts to the living world. It's unending. Absolutely murders and kills the pacing and any and all tension the movie has. Genuinely unbearable. And the gags there are just NOT funny further killing the pacing and tension.
The only conclusion I could reach at the end of it was that people haven't touched FR in years and years and have filtered or plain forgotten about all that.

Meanwhile after finishing Bio Broly all I could think was "people just dislike this movie because Broly le bad".
Very unique horror vibe. Really unique main cast. Good pacing. The fighting was very good, the beatdowns were beyond brutal, specially so when you consider it's Goten and Trunks getting it the most. No meaningless pointless mook jobbers. No "miracle punch" moment, villain was defeated not through brute force, and last but not least no Goku tacked on or shoehorned in.
Feels like the dislike towards it is just a kneejerk reaction. It's bad because people said it was bad 20 years ago and that stuck in the zeigeist.
Honestly, it's kinda sad that one of the most unique movies of them all gets so much vitriol.

Also, my conspiracy theory is that SH ended up getting a lot of "inspiration" from Bio Broly. Way too many similarities between the movies when you think about it.

[Dbzfan94]

Not at all. I’d say Resurrection F is worse, which imo is the worst DB movie overall.

[TheBigBoy]

Dragon Ball needs more "B-team saves the day" plots. Hey I love Goku and Vegeta but everything comes down to them and their dynamic is played out. I guess Super Hero scratches that itch too.

Anyone notice Kuririn goes Super Saiyan in this? OK so he doesn't have the hair but he has the gold aura.

[Godo]

Dragon Ball needs more "B-team saves the day" plots. Hey I love Goku and Vegeta but everything comes down to them and their dynamic is played out. I guess Super Hero scratches that itch too.

I agree with you. I usually tend to love the B-team action in most manga, so these kind of movies are generally entertaining for me.
Personally, I tend to get fed up with watching the A-team again and again.
Movie 11 also includes teamwork, which i like. The Freeza arc is my favorite because of this.

So movie 11 doesn't rank low for me. As a non-fan of Broly, I have to admit that I liked how he was defeated.

Anyone notice Kuririn goes Super Saiyan in this? OK so he doesn't have the hair but he has the gold aura.

He is a Super Saiyan in his heart, at least.

[Zebra]

Dragon Ball hadn't quite yet become the "Gokuu & Vegeeta Show" when Movie 11 first came out in 1994. That started towards the end of the manga in 1995. GT moved away from before sorta going back to it just as the show was ending in 1997. Then, the franchise went all in on it when Resurrection F came out in 2015.

[Metalwario64]

I used to be a Movie 11 hater but honestly just going full B-Movie shlock instead of doing another retread of the Movie Formula instantly make sit way more rewatchable than the average Z movie.

The main thing holding it back though is Goten and Trunks as the leads.

Pretty much the camp I'm in. Even if I prefer the science gone wrong vibe of movie 2 way more, it's a unique twist that keeps it feeling more fresh, and some of the better Buu arc music pieces come from it!

[Yellow Flower King]

Having 18 be the badass of the movie is the best decision.