An observation on Dragon Ball's English-speaking fanbases.

[jjgp1112]

Both scenes are not completely the same. The Original gives you more background details that someone who has been following the series since the beginning, or atleast three or four story arcs, would know of and understand more clearly.

But you do get the general understanding of the of what was said: Piccolo was bad/evil. Him and Goku were enemies. Piccolo hated Goku but for his own selfish reasons he joined forces with an hated enemie to takedown a mutual threat. After the threat is taken care of, it was revealed that more and stonger enemies are coming. Piccolo, having killed his main enemy Goku, knows that needs help defeating these new guys kidnaps his enemy's child because of his great potential to be a useful ally, and possible future threat once fully trained.

The only real changes are the omission of Daimao and the Demon Clan stuff. And if you were not familiar with the second half of Dragon Ball, you wouldn't know of it. And, not to be making further excuses, but with the Namek stuff coming really soon it would seem kinda stupid to mention this then change his origins to being some sort of alien.

All in all, you understand what's happening. You understand why everything's happening to an extent. You're not missing some vital information that makes everything indecipherable. The dub does gloss over A LOT of finer details. I think the most of it was that they themselves didn't pick up on it, or they didn't think the children would understand them. But the biggest reason for these "issues" is that the series was started over here right smack in the middle of it.

And speaking of the music, there are a couple of tunes that I can say that I remember and enjoy. Most notable is the piece that plays as Gohan is destroying Cell. I also enjoy the opening for the season sets. And I like the rock music that plays during some of the movies. But that has more to do with personal tastes than anything else.

In the end, I understand that changes were made becaus there's a lot of money involved. We can contest these changes because none of OUR money was involved. Whether we thought they are stupid or unneccesary is not the point. The important people did and that's why they happened. And these changes could not have been excessively retarded, because even in it's "gimped" form it proved massively successful.

The question, though, that rattles in my brain is: If this was the only product, no original version to speak of, would i still be that popular? Part of me says YES, while another part says that I can only say this because I have an original that I can get a deaper understanding of the series with.

I was basically going to say this, but you beat me to it.

I feel that the show would've been popular in the states even if the Funi version was the only version. After all, DBZ was what helped Anime get popular in the first place. If DBZ weren't an anime, then all that woul happen is that anime would take longer to get popular.

And Kunzait, can you show at least some form of respect for my opinion? Simply dismissing all of the songs I posted as crap was pretty harsh.

[JulieYBM]

As jaded and cynical as I am I was tending to get a [weird] feeling that the thread was getting a little too off topic. I'm insane if such is not true, as it fully should not be.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

As jaded and cynical as I am I was tending to get a [weird] feeling that the thread was getting a little too off topic. I'm insane if such is not true, as it fully should not be.

I really disagree. I don't think there is anything that CAN be MORE on topic than the opinions of various groups on various aspects of the series. I see that we're revealing even more sub-groups with this conversation, and I'm enjoying reading it.

I think anyone who's getting themselves all bent up over it is taking the topic a bit too seriously, and needs to sit back and take a few deep breaths.

[Raki]

I was basically going to say this, but you beat me to it.

I feel that the show would've been popular in the states even if the Funi version was the only version. After all, DBZ was what helped Anime get popular in the first place. If DBZ weren't an anime, then all that woul happen is that anime would take longer to get popular.

And Kunzait, can you show at least some form of respect for my opinion? Simply dismissing all of the songs I posted as crap was pretty harsh.

Anime was gaining steam before DBZ arrived.

I do have a feeling that if Menza scored DBZ first, the fans would be all over him and dissing Falcouner. That's just what I think.

[JulieYBM]

As jaded and cynical as I am I was tending to get a [weird] feeling that the thread was getting a little too off topic. I'm insane if such is not true, as it fully should not be.

I really disagree. I don't think there is anything that CAN be MORE on topic than the opinions of various groups on various aspects of the series. I see that we're revealing even more sub-groups with this conversation, and I'm enjoying reading it.

I think anyone who's getting themselves all bent up over it is taking the topic a bit too seriously, and needs to sit back and take a few deep breaths.

I basically admitted I was wrong in that post, y'know.

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

As jaded and cynical as I am I was tending to get a [weird] feeling that the thread was getting a little too off topic. I'm insane if such is not true, as it fully should not be.

I really disagree. I don't think there is anything that CAN be MORE on topic than the opinions of various groups on various aspects of the series. I see that we're revealing even more sub-groups with this conversation, and I'm enjoying reading it.

I think anyone who's getting themselves all bent up over it is taking the topic a bit too seriously, and needs to sit back and take a few deep breaths.

I basically admitted I was wrong in that post, y'know.

No, I didn't know. That's why I made that post.

[Kunzait_83]

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[jjgp1112]

And Kunzait, can you show at least some form of respect for my opinion? Simply dismissing all of the songs I posted as crap was pretty harsh.

When did I ever explicitly say that I didn't respect your opinion? Now your putting words in my mouth… and I hate it when people do that.

Meh, I tend to be kinda over-sensitive sometimes...

[MajinVejitaXV]

The plot point was "Hey Piccolo is not as evil as he was." Which bothscripts presented.

No, the plot point was that Piccolo was slowly becoming less of a (to quote Dogma) "fucking demon."

Saying, "Hey, every time he killed someone up until now they entered limbo. Now they aren't. That might be kinda important" isn't the same as "Hm, Piccolo killed Goku and is training his son, even though Goku will be back blah blah blah...you know. All the stuff that just happened 10 minutes ago."

Anybody who can't see how Falconer is superior to Menze is full of shit.

Actually, menses are full of blood. Get it? GET IT?!

Oy, I'm too old for this...

-Corey

[Super Sonic]

Will say a good thing about dub fans is that there are no yaoi fangirls among them. Then again, DBZ doesn't have any to my knowledge (Thank God).

[MyVisionity]

The plot point was "Hey Piccolo is not as evil as he was." Which bothscripts presented.

No, the plot point was that Piccolo was slowly becoming less of a (to quote Dogma) "fucking demon." Saying, "Hey, every time he killed someone up until now they entered limbo. Now they aren't. That might be kinda important" isn't the same as "Hm, Piccolo killed Goku and is training his son, even though Goku will be back blah blah blah...you know. All the stuff that just happened 10 minutes ago."

The plot point in the original was that Piccolo was becoming less of a demon. FUNimation decided against using this plot point and instead opted for something vaguely similar. It may deviate greatly from the original story, but it certainly doesn't disrupt the story FUNimation was trying to present.

[Kaboom]

It may deviate greatly from the original story, but it certainly doesn't disrupt the story FUNimation was trying to present.

Which... isn't the same story.

[MyVisionity]

It may deviate greatly from the original story, but it certainly doesn't disrupt the story FUNimation was trying to present.

Which... isn't the same story.

Exactly.

I don't think anyone should assume they're getting the same story. It's not like FUNimation ever made that claim, or did they?

[Super Ghost Kamikaze]

It may deviate greatly from the original story, but it certainly doesn't disrupt the story FUNimation was trying to present.

Which... isn't the same story.

Exactly.

I don't think anyone should assume they're getting the same story. It's not like FUNimation ever made that claim, or did they?

Reprinted interview with Gen and Cindy Fukunaga from Animerica magazine, Vol. 4, No.11 (November 1996):

Animerica: So why hasn't Dragon Ball been brought to the U.S. before now?

Cindy Brennan Fukunaga: Basically, Toei, which is the shows' anime producer, together with Shueisha, its manga publisher, and Akira Toriyama, the creator, all really wanted to make sure that they found a company who would treat the property properly. Because it is their flagship property, after all, and it's dear to their hearts, in more ways than one. They wanted to make sure it was treated properly in the U.S. We try really, really hard. Obviously we have to censor it somewhat for the U.S. market, in order to meet broadcast standards, but we're very careful to try and keep the stuff that really made the series great. So we stay true to the characters and the storylines, because they're fabulous.

[bkev]

I want to throw up, looking at that pathetic excuse for a lie. Family talks.

[NeptuneKai]

Which... isn't the same story.

Exactly.

I don't think anyone should assume they're getting the same story. It's not like FUNimation ever made that claim, or did they?

Reprinted interview with Gen and Cindy Fukunaga from Animerica magazine, Vol. 4, No.11 (November 1996):

Animerica: So why hasn't Dragon Ball been brought to the U.S. before now?

Cindy Brennan Fukunaga: Basically, Toei, which is the shows' anime producer, together with Shueisha, its manga publisher, and Akira Toriyama, the creator, all really wanted to make sure that they found a company who would treat the property properly. Because it is their flagship property, after all, and it's dear to their hearts, in more ways than one. They wanted to make sure it was treated properly in the U.S. We try really, really hard. Obviously we have to censor it somewhat for the U.S. market, in order to meet broadcast standards, but we're very careful to try and keep the stuff that really made the series great. So we stay true to the characters and the storylines, because they're fabulous.

Woah trippy, sounds a lot like what they said about 4kids One Piece.

[Velasa]

Will say a good thing about dub fans is that there are no yaoi fangirls among them. Then again, DBZ doesn't have any to my knowledge.

*waves*

Yes. There are yaoi fans for Dragonball in all aspects of the fandom (dub/sub/manga/whatnots). I can tell you don't read a lot of fics or look at a lot of art if you think there aren't any.

[Chuquita]

Will say a good thing about dub fans is that there are no yaoi fangirls among them. Then again, DBZ doesn't have any to my knowledge.

*waves*

Yes. There are yaoi fans for Dragonball in all aspects of the fandom (dub/sub/manga/whatnots). I can tell you don't read a lot of fics or look at a lot of art if you think there aren't any.

I didn't want to mention that it does exist earlier because I was so surprised someone was unaware of it, but yes, DB yaoi art/fics made in the US by dub fans has existed probably ever since the dub began airing.

Rule 34 you know.

FF.net, DA, MM.org, AFF, etc. All of those places have it.

Yaoi does not always equal bishounen-type men.

[Victator Supreme]

No, the plot point was that Piccolo was slowly becoming less of a (to quote Dogma) "fucking demon."

Whicb in the big picture amounts to the exact same thing.

All I said was that I… I think that all of Faulconer’s music is dogshit.

Please explain how the SSJ 3 theme, the Spirit Bomb theme and the Super Buu themes are dogshit.

[MajinVejitaXV]

No, the plot point was that Piccolo was slowly becoming less of a (to quote Dogma) "fucking demon."

Whicb in the big picture amounts to the exact same thing.

All squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares. You dig?

-Corey