There is no OVA!!!

Zackarotto · Post by **Zackarotto** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:27 am

Dayspring wrote:Fucking DVD box said it was how long? 2.5hrs? It was only 45mins!

Might have been the time, with shitty special features included? That, or it was a mistake. They can't just lie like that, though.

Tenken · Post by **Tenken** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 1:30 am

Does it really matter all that much if they call it a movie? I mean, seriously, I'm not going to get all upset if funimation releases it as the 14th dbz feature. I'd just be glad that they brought it over here. Although an interactive dvd like the playdia thing would be better...

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Sat Aug 28, 2004 9:33 am

Izlude wrote:They called Blood:The Last Vampire a movie

No, I meant; surely they call it some sort of Japanese word means something similar but not exactly the same as "movie"?

Or...not. Possibly.

NeverRamza · Post by **NeverRamza** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 1:15 am

You know what this "OVA" really is?

A cartoon with a character named Goku in it.

This entire "Is there an OVA?" and the "Oh no it's not...!" is getting ridiculous. No one gives a crap where the entire thing technically came from. It's called an OVA because it's an easy to use term for it. That's it. Get over it. If someone's interested enough in this "OVA", they can read into the entire story behind it at a later time if they even care to. Go get passionate about something else if that even slightly irks you.

The term used to refer to this hour long of footage is completely meaningless. It's not like we're going to hurt the feelings of all other anime OVA's by borrowing the term for this single instance. It's just the quickest and easiest category to place it in so someone can have an idea what the hell they're talking about. Calling it "that DBZ footage from two different Dragon's Lair... oh you know that crappy game where you gotta hit the controller on the screen in a certain direction when a light flashes... type game for the Bandai Playdia... oh you don't know what that is? A shitty system Bandai released in Japan that had absolutely no noteworthy games for it... but well that" would get very old after a while.

Besides, I don't think there was ever a specific dictionary definition for OVA, anyway. The anime communities have been labeling these random pieces of animation that seem to come out of nowhere as OVA's by default for a long time now. Just because it's an easy thing to do. And everyone just accepts it because NO ONE CARES. Just get over it.

Izlude · Post by **Izlude** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 2:33 am

How about we call it interactive video disc, like what we used to call Space Ace and Dragon's Lair?

NeverRamza · Post by **NeverRamza** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 3:06 am

No one will know what that is. You're lucky if someone under 20 even knows what Dragon's Lair is (Space Ace even more).

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 3:17 am

You make a lot of good points Ramza; it is really annoying to stop myself from simply calling the video an "OVA" simply out of convienence, but that's where the problem lies. If everyone calls it an OVA, out of nothing more than lack of a better name, than people are going to start believing (more so) that it actually IS an OVA, which in turn just leads to more rampant dis-information.

NeverRamza · Post by **NeverRamza** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 4:40 am

I wouldn't even say it's misinformation. It's a term that's commonly used to label both direct-to-video releases AS WELL AS oddball releases that no one really knows how to easily define. People have been doing this for a very long time. The way that people generally use a word or term is what mainly defines its meaning. There has never been a strict definition of OVA either.

Like I said, people have been doing this with the term OVA for a very long time. People in the DBZ fan community refered to the DBZ OVA as an OVA even before its original fansub release which finally gave it some wide-spread attention. Perhaps it can be defined as a "special case" OVA, but life has gone on considerably well just accepting that people may ocassionally refer to this animation as an OVA. For the longest time people knew all about DBZ's OVA and its roots and no one had a problem with it at all. Looking back now and picking off these oddball releases and all of a sudden claiming that they're not OVA's at all is really just silly. It's making up problems out of nowhere about an extremely trivial subject that no one will ever agree on that doesn't even matter at all. It's time that could be spent better off doing something else a little more productive.

The debate on whether the DBZ OVA can be refered to an OVA is a debate based strictly on opinions so it can never be proven one way or the other. So instead we just accept the label of OVA whenever someone else decides to use it, and then get on with our lives.

PsyLiam · Post by **PsyLiam** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 7:16 am

It's not really a "matter of opinion". Going by the definition of OVA, then The Plan To Eradicate The Saiya-jins isn't one. The only point someone's opinion actually has a bearing is whether you want to use the accurate definition of OVA, or you want to generalise it's meaning/use it incorrectly. And doing that is dangerous. Look how no-one knows what "ironic" means anymore. Bloody Canadians.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 11:26 am

The entire debate is little more than my master plan to have this really extensive page with a full history and synopsis of the feature any time someone asks about

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Personally... I don't give a flying fuck what you refer to it as. I just know I can shamlessly link my section if you've got a question about it, though

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And that's why I win at life.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 5:59 pm

NeverRamza wrote:No one will know what that is. You're lucky if someone under 20 even knows what Dragon's Lair is (Space Ace even more).

I'm under 20 and I know what they are. But then again, I watch way too much G4TV. After hearing all these points, I'm gonna have to agree with Izlude and say it fits into the same category as Dragon's Lair. Wich they did actually release as an interactive dvd. Its basically animation you can controll, sortve.

Both Dragon's Lair and Plan to Destroy the Saiyans had hardly any interactivity. Wich is why, with a little video editing, you could release them both as movies, even though neither of them started as one. So I guess the question is, could you consider Dragon's Lair an OVA?

NeverRamza · Post by **NeverRamza** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:26 pm

What's refered to as the DBZ OVA had no interactivity at all and was just something you bought on tape (or now DVD) and just watched for the story and action of it all. The entire thing plays out just like any other DBZ movie with the exception of a few tiny quirks.

If a non-videogame version of Dragon's Lair did come out in America, it would just be called a movie. People who tried to dub it any other name would probably just be laughed at because absolutely no one would care and that's just what we call these sorts of things in this countries. Movies. I suppose that's besides the point, though. Perhaps if Dragon's Lair was of Japanese origin and did get a simliar release as the "The Plan to Destroy the Saiyajin" that the specific release would be called an OVA. Whatever name any sort of fanbase decides to adopt for the movie, I guess.

Deus ex Machina · Post by **Deus ex Machina** » Sun Aug 29, 2004 9:45 pm

NeverRamza wrote:What's refered to as the DBZ OVA had no interactivity at all and was just something you bought on tape (or now DVD) and just watched for the story and action of it all. The entire thing plays out just like any other DBZ movie with the exception of a few tiny quirks.

He's referring to the video's original format on the Playdia, where you could choose from different actions at points in the game. The movie was basically just a compilation of all the 'correct' choices.

I agree though; having it as a movie would be great, but as an interactive DVD would be even better.