Piccolo (Android saga); How strong would he be?

[Yamcha_krillin]

How strong would you rate him (Piccolo)?

Would you rate him almost as strong as SSJ Trunks [inserted space] (Android saga), [inserted space] maybe weaker or something else?

[SSj_Rambo]

I assume that you are talking about Piccolo post fusion with Kami, and in that case I would rank him above any of the Saiya-jins during the Android Saga. First of all, when Vegeta first sensed Piccolo's power after the fusion, he was almost scared and worried about it, which indicates that at that point Piccolo's power level was very close, if not higher than SSj Vegeta's. Also, Piccolo did better against Android 17 than SSj Trunks w/ sword, Tien, Yamcha and Piccolo prior to fusion did all together...and Trunks is probably the strongest Super Saiya-jins of them all (at that time).

So I would rank Kamicollo slightly stronger than the average Super Saiya-jin.

[caejones]

Piccolo fought 17 pretty much to a stand-still (17 might have overtaken him just because he isn't going to get tired as easily); #18 pwn'd the Vegeta that blew 19's head off. *shrug* I'd say fused Piccolo kicks SUPER! Vegeta and Trunks' severed tails, at least until they get to the RoSaT.
Piccolo pre-fusion? Dunno. There's no way to tell (other than maybe that offhand comment by Kuririn).

[JulieYBM]

Pre-fusion? Probably twice as powerful as he was against Freeza, after all it'd been four year and he spent three of them with Son Gokû, a Super Saiyan.

[Yamcha_krillin]

I'm refering to Piccolo before Fusing with Kami.I'm talking about Piccolo that fought #20.

It was quite obvious that Piccolo after fusing with Kami was much stronger then any Pre-Rosat SSJ.

[Casual Matt]

The moment Piccolo fused with Kami, he became the strongest of Earth's heroes. He fought evenly with No. 17, who nobody else could even touch.

And don't forget that Cell, who had already killed Trunks in one timeline, was afraid of Piccolo before he gathered energy by absorbing countless humans.

It wasn't until the Saiyans trained inside the Room of Spirit and Time that anybody (besides Cell and the Jinzoningen, of course) became stronger than Piccolo.

[Horgus]

I honestly find it hard to believe Piccolo could have surpassed Freeza's level of strength before fusing with Kami.

Just think about it, he would have had to increase his power something like 50 fold to do that.

This speaks volumes about how strong androids 19/20 were in comparison to Freeza as well.

I personally believe that, from how easily Vegeta defeated 19, that the reason Piccolo was able to beat 20 was that there had to have been a wide gap between 20&19 and Freeza's strength, and an even wider gap between them and a healthy SSJ (in Vegeta and Goku's case).

[kaioken12]

I'm refering to Piccolo before Fusing with Kami.I'm talking about Piccolo that fought #20.

It was quite obvious that Piccolo after fusing with Kami was much stronger then any Pre-Rosat SSJ.

In that case, I'm not sure if we can put him on one level with Vegeta or Goku (SSJ form), but certainly he has to be close enough to them.
Vegeta had an easy fight with #19 and Piccolo had an easy fight with #20...
So, if we put the androids on a certain power level (no numbers! ^^) and the SSJ far above them, Piccolo should at least be inbetween...
And by "inbetween" I mean some point, on which he can easily destroy #19 or #20 if he wants to.

So, I'd guess he should be nearly as strong as a SSJ - but considering Vegeta's reaction on his strength, I think he was a bit weaker (otherwise Vegeta's reaction would have been similar to the one he showed when he realised, how strong "Kamicollo" was).

[Rocketman]

I think Piccolo was somewhere around Third Form Freeza. It's just that #19 and 20 were much weaker than 17 and 18, who Trunks was referring to in the 'they'll kill you all'.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Piccolo, nor the Androids could've been anywhere that weak.

Tien specifically stated how incredible Goku's chi was as a SSJ, and with the way he said it, seemed to hint that Goku improved from the last time he showed them SSJ. Unless you think Freeza's third form could take that much of a beating from a trained SSJ, the Androids are nowhere near that weak.

I think Piccolo is more powerful then SSJ Goku on namek, and the Androids are more powerful then 70% Freeza. They could be stronger, though. Piccolo was compared to a SSJ, and that means he's much stronger then 50% Freeza at least.

[kaioken12]

And don't forget, the 17 and 18 Trunks were reffering to were much WEAKER than the 17 and 18 of "our" timeline.
So there is quite a chance that 19 and 20, which didn't exist in Trunk's time, are quite strong as well.

They easily got Yamcha for example and Goku and Vegeta went SSJ to get one of them down - so they can't be THAT weak...

Plus, a third form Freezer would have been beaten by Goku or Vegeta in base form, they struggeled against Freezer's final form which should have been twice as strong.

[Horgus]

Tenshinhan specifically stated how incredible Goku's chi was as a SSJ, and with the way he said it, seemed to hint that Goku improved from the last time he showed them SSJ.

With all due respect to Tenshinhan, Piccolo was concerned throughout the fight with #19 that Goku maxed out quickly, and was fighting at full tilt, and yet he should have been much much stronger.

I think Piccolo has better grounds to make that judgment than Greenpants McNoshirt.

That said, Dr. Gero completely underestimated SSJ's in general, and really seemed to lack the basics of fighting and ki. He and #19 were totally outclassed and were probably laughed at to death by #17 in the alternate timeline.

[Horgus]

And don't forget, the 17 and 18 Trunks were reffering to were much WEAKER than the 17 and 18 of "our" timeline.

That was a real misconception by anime Trunks that was never really explained as well as it should have.

The androids in the future stayed at half strength, and even went to full strength briefly to kill Gohan. They mention this (but not in the anime).

In the manga, Trunks manages to go SSJ and spars poorly with a one-handed Gohan.

The truth is, future Gohan was much much stronger than Trunks and was killed (probably easily) by the androids in that time, meaning they were of equal strength.

There isn't any real explanation as to why the Androids would suddenly get stronger in the 'current' timeline for no real reason.

[Rocketman]

Tenshinhan specifically stated how incredible Goku's chi was as a SSJ, and with the way he said it, seemed to hint that Goku improved from the last time he showed them SSJ. Unless you think Freeza's third form could take that much of a beating from a trained SSJ, the Androids are nowhere near that weak.

A Super Saiyan who's having a heart attack, against an enemy that feels no pain.

And #19 was taking a hell of a beating until he absorbed Goku's Super Kamehameha.

I think Piccolo is more powerful then SSJ Goku on namek, and the Androids are more powerful then 70% Freeza. They could be stronger, though. Piccolo was compared to a SSJ, and that means he's much stronger then 50% Freeza at least.

Piccolo's not a Saiyan. He can't make those giant leaps in power through simple training.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

A Super Saiyan who's having a heart attack, against an enemy that feels no pain.

He wasn't bothered by it until he fired that beam, though. His power was still surging, but not to where it should be. He didn't power-up drastically in SSJ, then all of a sudden, be reduced to launching attacks that can rival Freeza's power in third form. Android #20 also stated if he continued to be whooped, he would malfunction or along those lines. I know #20 was bankin on #19 absorbing energy, but he saw the data on Goku's power, stated it surpasses his calculated limits, and still had a good idea of how #19 would do in battle. I also think the fact that he pissed himself when Vegeta ripped his arm off, shows he indeed felt pain, or fear when the situation was right.

And #19 was taking a hell of a beating until he absorbed Goku's Super Kamehameha.

He sure was, just like when Vegeta was kickin his ass. At most, #19 increased his aggressiveness when he attacked Vegeta. But, what we do know is, that Freeza would've been down for the count against Goku or Vegeta at that point.

Piccolo's not a Saiyan. He can't make those giant leaps in power through simple training.

What makes you think Piccolo training with SSJ Goku for three yrs to challenge an enemy more powerful then Freeza is "simple training?" Piccolo somehow increased to a level of power that impressed Nail, thoroughly, and this was in six days only. Piccolo was also compared to a SSJ, which means he rivals the power to an extent. I still think he was far weaker then the Android arc SSJ, but at least rivaled SSJ Goku's power on namek.

[Snail]

Here's my take on it.

16 > Entire cast (pre-Rosat, pre-second form Cell)

16 > First Form Imperfect Cell(mass Ki absorbed)

Piccolo('Kamiccolo') > Entire cast (pre-Rosat)

17 > 18

17, 18 > (Entire cast pre-Rosat Saiyans, pre-'Kamicollo')

Ssj Goku = Ssj Vegeta = Ssj Trunks > Entire heroes + villains cast (pre-18+17, 'Kamiccolo)

Freeza true form(any percentage) > 19, 20,

Freeza true form(any percentage) > Entire heroes cast(post-Freeza, excluding Super Saiyans)

Piccolo(post-freeza, pre-'Kamiccolo') > 19, 20

19, 20 > or = Heroes cast ( Pre-Rosat; excluding Saiyans, Piccolo, Freeza)


Somewhat a mess, but..take what you will with ot I guess.

[Freeza Heika]

Isn't it obvious?

SSJ Broly=4θ^(Piccolo before kami fusion)+(1/(SSJ4 Goku*Super Amazing Buutenks))

Solve for Piccolo.

[mAcChaos]

And don't forget, the 17 and 18 Trunks were reffering to were much WEAKER than the 17 and 18 of "our" timeline.

That was a real misconception by anime Trunks that was never really explained as well as it should have.

The androids in the future stayed at half strength, and even went to full strength briefly to kill Gohan. They mention this (but not in the anime).

In the manga, Trunks manages to go SSJ and spars poorly with a one-handed Gohan.

The truth is, future Gohan was much much stronger than Trunks and was killed (probably easily) by the androids in that time, meaning they were of equal strength.

There isn't any real explanation as to why the Androids would suddenly get stronger in the 'current' timeline for no real reason.

Butterfly effect. Who knows what things will happen once you change a few conditions.

[Dayspring]

And don't forget, the 17 and 18 Trunks were reffering to were much WEAKER than the 17 and 18 of "our" timeline.

That was a real misconception by anime Trunks that was never really explained as well as it should have.

The androids in the future stayed at half strength, and even went to full strength briefly to kill Gohan. They mention this (but not in the anime).

In the manga, Trunks manages to go SSJ and spars poorly with a one-handed Gohan.

The truth is, future Gohan was much much stronger than Trunks and was killed (probably easily) by the androids in that time, meaning they were of equal strength.

There isn't any real explanation as to why the Androids would suddenly get stronger in the 'current' timeline for no real reason.

Most likely they pulled the same stunt on Trunks that they did on Gohan in the future. In other words, they beat up Trunks using only half their strength, whereas Trunks thinks they're at full strength.

Another thing to note is that, in the manga, #17 killed Gohan alone with ease (thus further explaining the strength gap).

[SSj_Rambo]

I'm refering to Piccolo before Fusing with Kami.I'm talking about Piccolo that fought #20.

Well, in that case I'd say he was a little weaker than a Super Saiya-jin. If he was stronger than a Super Saiya-jin, Vegeta probably wouldn't have been as cocky after Goku lost, since he would have been worried about now surpassing Piccolo as well (like he was thinking when he saw Piccolo after he had fused with Kami).