Why does everyone love Broly?

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:56 am

Krakabeast wrote:
Duo wrote: Goku collected the energy of near dead base Saiya'jin and one Namekian somehow gave him the power to match Broli? Horseshit. If his power truly was maximum, it would have ended with a near dead Goku grabbing everyone and Teleporting just as the comet hit, or something.
Vegeta barely used any energy. His body alone was physically weakened to the point where he could have died, but he still had the ability to destroy planets with his ki if he wanted to. With Vegeta's energy, Goku gained enough power that could overpower Broly's. Personally, I don't think Goku should have been able to kill Broly with all that power because it was being emphasized so much that Broly's power just kept growing(if that makes any sense).

Sure, realistically that's the case. However, Ki (or energy) is strongly tied to willpower, emotions, and mindset. Plus, it's Shonen. Combine those two factors together and pour them all over the main character and you've got a guy who has the ability to overcome impossible odds.

Does it make realistic sense? No, it doesn't. However, it looks cool and says something to the kids who were watching it about never giving up.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:25 pm

Kendamu wrote:
Krakabeast wrote:
Duo wrote: Goku collected the energy of near dead base Saiya'jin and one Namekian somehow gave him the power to match Broli? Horseshit. If his power truly was maximum, it would have ended with a near dead Goku grabbing everyone and Teleporting just as the comet hit, or something.
Vegeta barely used any energy. His body alone was physically weakened to the point where he could have died, but he still had the ability to destroy planets with his ki if he wanted to. With Vegeta's energy, Goku gained enough power that could overpower Broly's. Personally, I don't think Goku should have been able to kill Broly with all that power because it was being emphasized so much that Broly's power just kept growing(if that makes any sense).
Sure, realistically that's the case. However, Ki (or energy) is strongly tied to willpower, emotions, and mindset. Plus, it's Shonen. Combine those two factors together and pour them all over the main character and you've got a guy who has the ability to overcome impossible odds.

Does it make realistic sense? No, it doesn't. However, it looks cool and says something to the kids who were watching it about never giving up.

I guess the kids love a good “Toei Punch”.

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:30 pm

Kendamu wrote:Ki (or energy) is strongly tied to willpower, emotions, and mindset. Plus, it's Shonen. Combine those two factors together and pour them all over the main character and you've got a guy who has the ability to overcome impossible odds..

This is EXACTLY why I love Dragonball, especially Genki Dama moments, it's all about pulling together, even if the situation looks impossible, if we all try, we can do it!
Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. So yeah, I can tolerate the first.. and maybe second Broly in this respect, for having this outcome.. I still fucking hate that weird shit blob with green hair though.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:31 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote:I guess the kids love a good “Toei Punch”.

I'm imagining that cat thing on the Toei logo doing a Falcon Punch.

Kingdom Heartless · Post by **Kingdom Heartless** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:34 pm

Hell, I'm still trying to work out which is the correct spelling of his name.

Rory · Post by **Rory** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:08 pm

Kingdom Heartless wrote:Hell, I'm still trying to work out which is the correct spelling of his name.

I always sway between Broly and Broli myself..

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:12 pm

Kendamu wrote:
Saiyan-Professor wrote:I guess the kids love a good “Toei Punch”.
I'm imagining that cat thing on the Toei logo doing a Falcon Punch.

Naw, I am talking about that fan name for that ridiculous punch Kakarrot used to defeat Broli in Movie #8, which was illogical even for Dragonball. Whenever I get to the end of that movie, I just turn it off and move on to the next one. The 10th movie had a more believable ending or defeat of Broli than #8, the sun killed him instead of the Idiot Trio.

Kingdom Heartless wrote:Hell, I'm still trying to work out which is the correct spelling of his name.

If you would check the archives you will find a thread where Mike explains that the name should be “Broli” instead of “Broly”, “Brolli” or “Brolly” because of the play on the vegetable broccoli.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:15 pm

Well, in Japanese his name is ブロリー (Burorii). So, I would guess that Broli is the most correct way not counting any official dub namings. Unless I'm completely mistaken, his name's a pun on Broccoli, which ends in "I" instead of "Y." So, Broli should end in "I" and not "Y."

I'd briefly thought about keeping the extra "I" on there but it's largely pointless as we don't need it in English. Not a lot of people spell "Goku" as "Gokuu" when I read online and most people stick to "Vegeta" instead of "Bejiita" or "Vegiita" as the dub name works with the name pun a lot better when spelling it out in our alphabet.

Of course, I'll probably end up forgetting all of this and keep spelling it as "Brolly" or something.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:20 pm

I am more annoyed by people saying his name wrong than people spelling it "wrong". I have literally heard people pronounce it "Brawly". *cringes*

Anyway, I always type Broly. So I guess that's how I spell it.

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:22 pm

omegacwa wrote:I am more annoyed by people saying his name wrong than people spelling it "wrong". I have literally heard people pronounce it "Brawly". *cringes*

Anyway, I always type Broly. So I guess that's how I spell it.

I'm so gonna kick your ass in Bootykai Tenka-chee with Brawly!

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:23 pm

The dub pronounces his name "Bro-lee." I knew about the pun before I saw the movies and so I called him (and continue to call him) "Bra-lee." It makes more sense to me that way, but it's not the way you pronounce the spelling of "Broly."

Rory wrote: I wasn't aware everyone loved Broly.. mostly just dub fans.
I'm hijacking this thread:
Why does everyone love Pantera?

Squeedly WAHHH WAHH WAAHHHHH. DUN DUN DAAAAAAA. Squeedly squeedly squeedly squeeeeee. Wahh wahh wahhhhhh.

It fits with dragonball. </sarcasm>

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 3:38 pm

Super Ghost Kamikaze wrote:I read the whole thing. Broly's still a retarded powerhouse, his motivations and story paling in comparison to even the basest Hulk comic.

You do realize the Hulk has had 46 years to define himself, whereas Broli has only had 115 minutes? Sure, they could have given him a slightly better backstory in that time, but this is a Dragon Ball Z movie villain we’re talking about: the whole point is to establish the character as a threat, then move on to the fighting. In those terms, yes, I suppose the comparison might be inappropriate, but I was only really commenting on the physique and general attitude of the characters, not their psychology or depth.

Krakabeast · Post by **Krakabeast** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 9:26 pm

Saiyan-Professor wrote: Whenever I get to the end of that movie, I just turn it off and move on to the next one.

I just pissed my pants!

I might start doing that too.

Taku128 · Post by **Taku128** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:44 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:The dub pronounces his name "Bro-lee." I knew about the pun before I saw the movies and so I called him (and continue to call him) "Bra-lee." It makes more sense to me that way, but it's not the way you pronounce the spelling of "Broly."

Broccoli.

Ducard · Post by **Ducard** » Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:53 pm

In addition to the whole Hulk thing, Broly strikes me as a DBZ version of 90's Venom/Eddie Brock. You have a large unstoppable monster with a grin and blank eyes, unrelentlessly pursuing smaller foes. Design-wise he carries much of the same appeal as Venom. It's... kind of a 90's thing.

There's also the backstory; Toriyama spent all of the Saiyan and Freeza sagas hyping the Saiyan history/legacy, but that backstory suddenly became more or less irrelevant when the Cell saga came. Movie 8 returns that sense of backstory.

Then there's the group dynamic. Toriyama loved using three sizes for his characters: medium, tiny, and bulking giant.

There's the medium-short dynamic going on between Goku and Vegeta (and again with Goku and Freeza), and to balance that out Toriyama added a big guy between the two that Goku would take down easily to prove his power (ie Nappa, Recoom). Broly's size creates a similar triangle between the three main characters: him, Goku, and Vegeta. So you've got medium vs. tiny vs. giant, only this time around the big guy tougher to beat.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:05 am

Duo wrote:The concept is great, and the first half of Movie 8 is an excellent build up...but as soon as Broli transforms, the entire plot degenerates into mindless ass-whooping. Mediocre ass whooping, at that. The ending was terrible, too. Goku collected the energy of near dead base Saiya'jin and one Namekian somehow gave him the power to match Broli? Horseshit.

My thoughts exactly. I loved the movie up to the point where Broli went "Grah brah kill all", but from that point on it failed to hold my interest much. Broli was boring, the fighting was unspectacular, and the ending was god-awful. I was watching the movie for the first time with my roommate at the time, who hadn't seen it before either, and we were both going "Oh no, they're not seriously going to do... oh shit, they did" at the end.

Didn't care much for the supposedly much-hailed movie 7 either. After a somewhat amusing build-up and some cool character designs, it quickly turned into boring "Gotta fill an hour" fighting. Blah.

Acid_Reign wrote: You do realize the Hulk has had 46 years to define himself, whereas Broli has only had 115 minutes?

The 25-page Incredible Hulk #1 established the Hulk as a far more interesting character than Broli ever was.

Saiyan-Professor · Post by **Saiyan-Professor** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:13 am

Ducard wrote:...Then there's the group dynamic. Toriyama loved using three sizes for his characters: medium, tiny, and bulking giant. There's the medium-short dynamic going on between Goku and Vegeta (and again with Goku and Freeza), and to balance that out Toriyama added a big guy between the two that Goku would take down easily to prove his power (ie Nappa, Recoom). Broly's size creates a similar triangle between the three main characters: him, Goku, and Vegeta. So you've got medium vs. tiny vs. giant, only this time around the big guy tougher to beat.

Bulking giant to describe Broli is right.

Broli was a beast; look at how big he was in comparison to everyone else. Even his base form height was almost taller than everyone was.

Krakabeast · Post by **Krakabeast** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:44 am

Every relevant character in the DragonBall world should be posted onto a massive height chart....

Including the farmer *wink wink*

Acid_Reign · Post by **Acid_Reign** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:46 am

Did Toriyama do those sketches or was it Toei? And are there more?

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Thu Jan 08, 2009 1:07 am

Adamant wrote:
Duo wrote:The concept is great, and the first half of Movie 8 is an excellent build up...but as soon as Broli transforms, the entire plot degenerates into mindless ass-whooping. Mediocre ass whooping, at that. The ending was terrible, too. Goku collected the energy of near dead base Saiya'jin and one Namekian somehow gave him the power to match Broli? Horseshit.
My thoughts exactly. I loved the movie up to the point where Broli went "Grah brah kill all", but from that point on it failed to hold my interest much. Broli was boring, the fighting was unspectacular, and the ending was god-awful. I was watching the movie for the first time with my roommate at the time, who hadn't seen it before either, and we were both going "Oh no, they're not seriously going to do... oh shit, they did" at the end.

Didn't care much for the supposedly much-hailed movie 7 either. After a somewhat amusing build-up and some cool character designs, it quickly turned into boring "Gotta fill an hour" fighting. Blah.

Acid_Reign wrote: You do realize the Hulk has had 46 years to define himself, whereas Broli has only had 115 minutes?
The 25-page Incredible Hulk #1 established the Hulk as a far more interesting character than Broli ever was.

The only thing I found amusing about Movie 7 was how ridiculously inaccurate they portrayed malls (as in gobs of screaming masses clawing and fighting each other for the latest sales). That was pretty hilarious.

Also, 7 had that cringe-inducing Goku-gets-a-knee-to-the-crotch scene.