Scenes from Dragonball series being re-drawn for HDTV

LeprikanGT · Post by **LeprikanGT** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:37 pm

They dont have to re-do GT [b/c honestly i love it, but none of the charscters look the same, especially piccolo] but tack on gt after DB a Z to keep it going.

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:38 pm

Seems to me, were this real, it'd be reported on a number of credible sites. So...nice rumor, until I see it posted elsewhere.

-Corey

Innagadadavida · Post by **Innagadadavida** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 1:49 pm

Are they still using cels? Or are they going digital.

I for one would like to see the series redone in the style of the video game openings or the new special. Such smooth animation.

Super Sayian Prime · Post by **Super Sayian Prime** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:18 pm

Well this year is the 25 anniversary of Toriyama's manga isn't it? Could this be one of the events for it?

saiyanprincess · Post by **saiyanprincess** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:23 pm

Innagadadavida wrote:Are they still using cels? Or are they going digital.

I for one would like to see the series redone in the style of the video game openings or the new special. Such smooth animation.

I would say they would keep the cells, Is digital like Shrek for example? (Completely computer generated.)
As cool as it would be to see Dragonball in 3D, I think it kind of defeats the anime concept, and would change way to many things.

I agree with the video game openings however, They look HOT HOT HOT.

MagicBox · Post by **MagicBox** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:34 pm

saiyanprincess wrote:I would say they would keep the cells, Is digital like Shrek for example? (Completely computer generated.)

No, nobody's talking about that. That would be CGI.

Digital Animation would be how the new Jump Tour special was animated. Still drawn by animators, but stored in the computer and colored digitally with no film involved.

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 2:48 pm

Wasted Wisher wrote:
Herms wrote:What's your source for this?
Right from the horse's mouth (TOEI itself).

Some of the other people on this board already know this, but...I work for the Philppine studio of TOEI.

After my...contribution...last time, I feel kind of safer saying it openly now. Guess my bosses aren't monitoring every site as closely as I thought.

Still gotta be a little cautious, though...can't afford to lose my job just yet...

And why would we believe you? Just because you happened to have those scetches? It seems to good to be true, and you said some scenes, if that is true, it'd look totally weird to have some scenes remade along with old ones. Really out of place even.

Wasted Wisher wrote:Hey, people.
Not sure if you've heard of this already....but I wouldn't be surprised if you did. Dai-EX seems to have pretty sharp sources...

Anyway, on to the topic at hand....it seems that TOEI is going to be re-drawing some scenes from Dragonball for broadcast on high-def tv. The touch-ups will include some re-done background art (most likely to broaden certain scenes for widescreen) as well as re-doing action sequences where the special effects don't hold up anymore. I'm not yet sure if the scenes being re-drawn are from Dragonball, or from DBZ. Hopefully both!

No indication as to whether or not TOEI will take the opportunity to correct some art bloopers this time around, but as far as I know content will remain pretty much the same. Nothing more, nothing less (meaning no new filler scenes, but no filler scenes taken out either.)

Hmmm...I wonder if they'll try to add the extended scenes from the ending of DBZ that was tacked on to the comic some time ago?

Source. Now.

Satan-Sama · Post by **Satan-Sama** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:28 pm

You don't need to be such an asshole about it...

SHINOBI-03 · Post by **SHINOBI-03** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:46 pm

As much as I would like to, I'm against a remake of the whole series.

Sure Dr. Slump got a remake with GT redesigns, but that doesn't mean that Dragon Ball will be the same.

And sure that the series is 4:3 and with grains, but it's an over 20 years show for crying out loud!!

If they wanted to make the show wide-screen for the sake of new HD TVs, then why don't they stretch the images to view it wide-screen?

There are dead voice actors. Are they gonna replace them?

And what's the point of the remake if it will keep the fillers? The manga ended for a long time and they should not use any filler that bring up plotholes!!

And what will happen to the old series format if they did it?

MajinVejitaXV · Post by **MajinVejitaXV** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:40 pm

The only catch with digital animation is that, unless it's done in HD to begin with, there could never be a native HD release. That's a problem that's being discovered with a few new animes that were done digitally in the past few years. It's also an issue with some animes which were mixed (like Cowboy Bebop).

-Corey

Kendamu · Post by **Kendamu** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:53 pm

If this is true, cool. If it's not, I wasn't immediately expecting it, anyway.

MagicBox · Post by **MagicBox** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:05 pm

Okay, so if we were to entertain the possibility of this being true, I can't say I really see the point of this. I mean, only reanimating SOME scenes? What does that accomplish? It's not like they could be seamlessly integrated into the current show with their higher quality and different aspect ratio, so what's the point in the long term?

Furthermore, are they really reanimating certain scenes or just reshooting them? There's a difference. It sounds like they're reanimating, but if that's true, what purpose does Toei see with putting that big of a budget into this?

Assuming this is true, I don't see the point...

Chuquita · Post by **Chuquita** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:16 pm

I would love to watch some re-animated DB. X3

Especially if it looks like the new animated special.

I hope its true.

shotkeeper · Post by **shotkeeper** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:02 pm

I don't understand, why some people are expecting a complete remake in the new anime special style.

Wasted Wisher said that only some scenes are going to be redone.

I personally hope they just make a new serie with a good story. There's no need to rerelease the old ones again...

sangofe · Post by **sangofe** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:03 pm

We had a little speculating chat about this on the IRC channel:

<sangofe|afk> Hey. Anyone here believe Wasted Whiser?
<sangofe|afk> It sounds ackward, but then again... Toei're unpredictable at times.
<MajinVejitaXV> HA. No.
<MajinVejitaXV> Yes, Toei is, but news sites would be all over it.
<Xyex> All over what?
<sangofe|afk> The only reason I slightly believe it is that he had those character cheets that nobody else had.
<MajinVejitaXV> Guy posted saying Toei is reanimating portions of the series for HD release.
<Xyex> Ah
<MajinVejitaXV> I'm not saying he's being deceptive on purpose, but I think he might have gotten bad information.
<MajinVejitaXV> Still, we'll see. I'll completely apologize if it turns out to be legitimate.
<sangofe|afk> I think it's very strange, and out of place.
<sangofe|afk> How're they gonna pull off a mix of old, old animation with new?
<sangofe|afk> I guess they could animate with cells again...
<sangofe|afk> but uh
<MajinVejitaXV> It wouldn't look quite right. I mean, Gainax redid some ports of EVA for the Renewal project, but I assume Toei would have done that during the DragonBox development were they to do it at all.
<MajinVejitaXV> err, parts.
<sangofe|afk> Also, animating things isn't very cheap... To actually go to that step they'd need enormous sales, no?
<MajinVejitaXV> Yeah, but DragonBall is pretty much guaranteed sales.
<sangofe|afk> Enough for that in Japan?
<HeroOfCanton> I wouldn't doubt it
<MajinVejitaXV> Well, yeah. You do know the DragonBoxes cost TONS of money to produce.
<MajinVejitaXV> It wasn't a cheap remaster ala FUNimation.
<MajinVejitaXV> And, as far as I can tell, they sold quite well. Enough so that the GT box was even delayed, since they misjudged demand.
<MajinVejitaXV> I just wonder what the extent would be. Are we talking a "Hellsing Ultimate" take on DragonBall? A sampler for internal consideration of a DragonBall project? He says it would be for HD, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's as big as we'd think.
<Jacob> I think if anything they'll be apart of some sort of variety show hour or something.
<MajinVejitaXV> Yeah, my thoughts exactly.
<Jacob> Just reanimated scenes, not actually spliced into the episodes.
<sangofe|afk> That'd be kinda a downer. I want HD Dragonboxes, lol.
<MajinVejitaXV> I just don't know what 'SFX" he's referring to. Most of DragonBall was hand-animated, not any CG.
<Jacob> Maybe stuff akin to the Freeza fight with Son that Nakao showed.
<MajinVejitaXV> It's not like Cowboy Bebop where they used actual CGI rendered in SD that would need to be re-rendered for an HD release.

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jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:46 pm

Funny how we have yet to get any proof.

B · Post by B » Sun Jan 18, 2009 6:54 pm

If true, cool, if not, who really cares?

Wasted Wisher · Post by **Wasted Wisher** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:40 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:Funny how we have yet to get any proof.

Hey, I haven't got any proof to give you either. At least, not yet.
As to whether or not I will be able to provide any hard evidence this time, heck if i know. Trying to pull that off will be even harder than the model sheets. (That was cake, actually, just slow goings.)

As of now, I can only relay to you what my bosses and co-workers have told me. They haven't even actually started handing out the work to us, but hopefully a shipment is scheduled to come in this week.

MajinVegeta VX> "Special effects" does not mean CG. I'm talking about lighting and airbrush effects. As to why those need touching up, I don't know either.

Olivier Hague · Post by **Olivier Hague** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:49 pm

sangofe wrote:And why would we believe you? Just because you happened to have those scetches?

'Seems a good enough reason to me. How would you get your hands on sketches like those?

Sprite Satan · Post by **Sprite Satan** » Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:53 pm

While joining a lot of folk into settling into a camp of "I believe it!" or "I don't believe it!" and then later claiming supreme remarkable insight if my random guess happens to be the truth is tempting, I think I'll wait and see on this one.

It's certainly possible, there are a lot of issues with it, and it may not even be the most intelligent thing to do. Which pretty much guarantees a chance that Toei would do it, I guess.

A possibility is that they are redrawing scenes for some sort of retrospective. Which, if you're a conspiracy theorist, will be used to test the waters for Dragon Ball Z HD. See it the way it was meant to be made in the first place!

Kanzenshuu

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