Faulconer's Buu Theme/S.O.A.D.'s "Marmalade"

DBZGokuSaiyan · Post by **DBZGokuSaiyan** » Sat May 02, 2009 4:51 pm

Hey guys. Firstly, I apologize for the acronym... For those not in the know, S.O.A.D. is System of a Down, an American nu-metal band that's been around since the '90s. I don't know if this has been brought up in the past... do delete if it has been... but I wanted to know... why do these two songs sound almost identical? I first discovered this when one of my closest friends told me about it back in '04. I believe that most of you might have heard of this somewhere, as well. Also of note is that "Marmalade" by System of a Down was recorded in the late '90s... (1997, I believe)

Here's a video demonstrating the resemblance between the two musical compositions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AoH6wgqO5o

My theories are that:

1. Bruce Faulconer asked permission from S.O.A.D. to create a variant of "Marmalade" for use in the FUNimation dub of Dragon Ball Z.

2. Bruce Faulconer "stole" bits of the melody from "Marmalade"...

3. Just a coincidence.

I thought it would be interesting to bring up. It would be cool if Scott Morgan would be kind enough to resolve this, since he used to work for Bruce Faulconer. (If Scott Morgan quit composing before the series ended its airing in America, then I deeply apologize for the confusion.)

SSj_Rambo · Post by **SSj_Rambo** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:01 pm

I'd say either theory 2 or 3. It is highly unlikely that they gave permission for their tune to be used, with no credit being given anywhere; but their Zelda song makes me question how much they value popular Japanese stories as worthy carriers of their work...

Shiyonasan · Post by **Shiyonasan** » Sat May 02, 2009 5:50 pm

SSj_Rambo wrote:...but their Zelda song makes me question how much they value popular Japanese stories as worthy carriers of their work...

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index ... 541AAzXGEJ

Just thought I'd show you that.

cRookie_Monster · Post by **cRookie_Monster** » Sat May 02, 2009 9:58 pm

I had already left the studio at that point so I don't really know the story behind the tune. Anyway I don't think Faulconer or Mike had ever listened to System of a Down at that point. Maybe Mike had, which would mean more than Bruce having heard it.

One thing I would believe is if Evan Jones from FUnimation had sent that track as an example and the music was composed based on that. Evan is the one behind all those bands in the movies.

Oolong215 · Post by **Oolong215** » Sat May 02, 2009 10:04 pm

Holy crap, they sound really so similar! That's crazy!

VenomSymbiote · Post by **VenomSymbiote** » Sun May 03, 2009 10:31 pm

Wow! Finally, one of these from the dub!

More than likely, it's a coincedence though, since the resemblence isn't exact, unlike some of the others.

Oh, and just a quick correction. This is actually Super Buu's Theme, not Kid Buu's. Chibi Buu has his own theme in the dub.

DBZGokuSaiyan · Post by **DBZGokuSaiyan** » Tue May 05, 2009 5:12 pm

cRookie_Monster wrote:I had already left the studio at that point so I don't really know the story behind the tune. Anyway I don't think Faulconer or Mike had ever listened to System of a Down at that point. Maybe Mike had, which would mean more than Bruce having heard it.

One thing I would believe is if Evan Jones from FUnimation had sent that track as an example and the music was composed based on that. Evan is the one behind all those bands in the movies.

Oh wow. That's really interesting. Thanks, Scott!

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Wed May 06, 2009 4:30 pm

Personally I believe they are far to similar to be "just a coincidence". But it is a cool find for sure.

cRookie_Monster · Post by **cRookie_Monster** » Thu May 07, 2009 4:01 am

omegacwa wrote:Personally I believe they are far to similar to be "just a coincidence". But it is a cool find for sure.

I've heard some pretty strikingly similar tracks that I know were by chance....some of them I wrote myself and later heard stuff that sounded exactly the same to my dismay... Sometimes its just a matter of who gets published\known first rather than who invented what.

omegacwa · Post by **omegacwa** » Thu May 07, 2009 12:20 pm

cRookie_Monster wrote:
omegacwa wrote:Personally I believe they are far to similar to be "just a coincidence". But it is a cool find for sure.
I've heard some pretty strikingly similar tracks that I know were by chance....some of them I wrote myself and later heard stuff that sounded exactly the same to my dismay... Sometimes its just a matter of who gets published\known first rather than who invented what.

This just further proves my theory that all music has already been written.

cRookie_Monster · Post by **cRookie_Monster** » Thu May 07, 2009 5:59 pm

omegacwa wrote:
cRookie_Monster wrote:
omegacwa wrote:Personally I believe they are far to similar to be "just a coincidence". But it is a cool find for sure.
I've heard some pretty strikingly similar tracks that I know were by chance....some of them I wrote myself and later heard stuff that sounded exactly the same to my dismay... Sometimes its just a matter of who gets published\known first rather than who invented what.
This just further proves my theory that all music has already been written.

If you only take into account equal tempered pitch and rhythm you might not be too far off.

But the areas of microtonal music, orchestration, timbre, sound design, etc are going to give you trouble with that one. There's a lot left to explore.

Then there's the whole idea of variable\interactive music. So much innovation we can do there as well.

Kanzenshuu

Faulconer's Buu Theme/S.O.A.D.'s "Marmalade"

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