Most painful thing that happen to Vegeta in your Opinion?

Shineman · Post by **Shineman** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:39 pm

To me. The most painful thing emotionally is the Frieza thing.To the point that he cried

. Or when his daughter Bra told him that his moostache was dumb

That must be painful

Physically, without a doubt is that Dragon Thunder. I mean come on, the spikes on his back, stabbing them through wherever they hit. After spiking the enemy, he sends lightning through the spikes and electrocutes them, sending electricity into the wound. That will leave a mark. I am surprised that he can still stand after that. I guess Toriyama love making Vegeta getting owned all the time

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:43 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:
My point was, Bulma dumped a perfectly sweet guy...

Trunks from the future said that Yamcha wasn`t always faithful and so, because of that, she eventually got tired of him... And by that time Vegeta was just there, all alone... And she likes bad boys as we know.

The exact quote from the Viz manga is this: "Yamcha was... um, not always faithful. She got fed up and broke up with him for good. Then she saw my father, sitting all alone, and it just... happened."

From this we can conclude that Yamcha was not a very good boyfriend since he cheated.
Because of that bulma broke up with him.

Afterwards she saw Vegeta and probably because she was "needy" and because she likes bad boys it just happened.
She didn`t plan to get pregnant, so Trunks was a mistake. But she kept him. That much is obvious.

She later talks about Vegeta, when she is showing the gang her baby: "How should I know? You think I`d live with that jerk?!"

So from this we can conclude that at this moment she doesn't especially care for Vegeta, and she doesn`t even want to live with him because she is fully aware that he is a jerk. What happened between her and Vegeta was just a physical thing in the aftermath of her breakup.

She only grows fond of Vegeta much later when he becomes more sociable after getting used to Earth and after Goku`s death fighting Cell. And so they start to grow closer together in the years that separate the Cell saga from the buu saga, especially since he is the father of her child and because she likes bad boys.

B · Post by B » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:49 pm

Is Viz the best source to cite from?

jjgp1112 · Post by **jjgp1112** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:51 pm

B wrote:Is Viz the best source to cite from?

Japanese version of the anime: "Yamcha was...something of a playboy, so mom got fed up and broke up with him."

Fun fact: Viz didn't fuck with the story at all. They just censored the dialogue and Americanized it. And not only that, but anything for the DBZ chapters before the Cell saga isn't even all that censored.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:51 pm

Viz is generally well translated. But if Herms is around he might confirm.

Edit: jjgp1112 already did.

So it is conclusive. Yamcha was not a very good boyfriend apparently.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:55 pm

Trunks obviously got the news that Yamcha was "unfaithful"
from his mother so that doesn't confirm much. For all we know she could have been flat out lying to him.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:58 pm

Why would the author tell us, in the only explanation he ever gives regarding Bulma and Yamcha`s breakup, a lie?

The author doesn`t like to dwell in character development but he provides us with the basic context. And this is it.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:02 pm

rereboy wrote:Why would the author provide us, in the only explanation he ever gives regarding Bulma and Yamcha`s breakup, a lie?

The author doesn`t like to dwell in character development but he provides us with the basic context. And this is it.

The fact still remains there is no solid proof Yamcha was unfaithful. Many times it has been shown that Bulma has an extremely jealous streak so him being "unfaithful" could very well mean he talked to another woman without her consent or something of the like.

Freeza Heika · Post by **Freeza Heika** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:07 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
rereboy wrote:Why would the author provide us, in the only explanation he ever gives regarding Bulma and Yamcha`s breakup, a lie?

The author doesn`t like to dwell in character development but he provides us with the basic context. And this is it.
The fact still remains there is no solid proof Yamcha was unfaithful. Many times it has been shown that Bulma has an extremely jealous streak so him being "unfaithful" could very well mean he talked to another woman without her consent or something of the like.

The proof is that it was stated. We cannot arbitrarily take things as being verbal irony.
If we did, we could assume that the entire plot of the series is about something entirely different, like Goku being a girl and as well as being the world cooking champion. Also, Goku's real name is Esmerelda. Exaggerated and retarded, but I think it conveys my point.

SaiyaMel · Post by **SaiyaMel** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:12 pm

Kunzait_83 wrote:To argue that Yamucha (or even Goku for that matter) would ever pull anything any where near that fucked up with their own families (as uncaring and insensitive a deadbeat dad as Goku has been numerous times with his family) would require some SERIOUS mental gymnastics.

Insensitive, yes. Though I'd say that Kakkarot (as poor a father he is as pointed out) certainly does however, care about his family - in his own absent-minded sort of way.

To the topic... I'd say getting beaten/tortured to death by Freeza, and being out-done by Kakkarot, would have been the worst/most painful situations he ever faced..

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:13 pm

Freeza Heika wrote:
NeptuneKai wrote:
rereboy wrote:Why would the author provide us, in the only explanation he ever gives regarding Bulma and Yamcha`s breakup, a lie?

The author doesn`t like to dwell in character development but he provides us with the basic context. And this is it.
The fact still remains there is no solid proof Yamcha was unfaithful. Many times it has been shown that Bulma has an extremely jealous streak so him being "unfaithful" could very well mean he talked to another woman without her consent or something of the like.
The proof is that it was stated. We cannot arbitrarily take things as being verbal irony. If we did, we could assume that the entire plot of the series is about something entirely different, like Goku being a girl and as well as being the world cooking champion. Also, Goku's real name is Esmerelda. Exaggerated and retarded, but I think it conveys my point.

Had you given a more realistic example maybe I would have understood your point better so excuse me for saying "wat". We aren't supposed to take the characters personality into account when you read their dialogue? We constantly analyze everything in this fandom yet suddenly analyzing this is going too far?

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:14 pm

NeptuneKai wrote:
rereboy wrote:Why would the author provide us, in the only explanation he ever gives regarding Bulma and Yamcha`s breakup, a lie?

The author doesn`t like to dwell in character development but he provides us with the basic context. And this is it.
The fact still remains there is no solid proof Yamcha was unfaithful. Many times it has been shown that Bulma has an extremely jealous streak so him being "unfaithful" could very well mean he talked to another woman without her consent or something of the like.

You are giving more credit to what it is not there than what it is there.

There isn`t anything in the manga to suggest that what Trunks said isn`t true.

If there was, it would make sense to question the accuracy of Trunks` words. But there isn`t, so there is no reason to doubt them.

You are giving more credit to your own personal opinion of how they would act then what the author wrote they acted.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:14 pm

Freeza Heika · Post by **Freeza Heika** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:15 pm

Analysis is sometimes pointless. When it is such a trivial point, the most obvious interpretation should probably be taken.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:16 pm

You still didn`t answer my question. Why would the author tell a lie in the only explanation he ever gives regarding the matter?

That`s what doesn`t make sense.

And btw, a guy can be a great guy in every aspect and still cheat on his girlfriend. Nobody is perfect you know?
Yamcha doesn`t cease to be a great guy because he cheated... He just needs to work on his boyfriends skills.
And bulma knows he`s not a bad guy because she is friendly towards him. She just didn`t want to date someone who cheated on her.

NeptuneKai · Post by **NeptuneKai** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:18 pm

rereboy wrote:[

There isn`t anything in the manga to suggest that what Trunks said isn`t true.

It kind of feels like we're going in circles here. There is plenty evidence when you take into account Bulmas consistent views on what is being "unfaithful" which to say the least are very loose.

Freeza Heika wrote:Analysis is sometimes pointless. When it is such a trivial point, the most obvious interpretation should probably be taken.

What people view as trivial is completely subjective.

rereboy · Post by **rereboy** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:25 pm

Of course everything is a matter of opinion. I won`t object to that.

However, without having a satisfactory answer to my question regarding the authors motives in doing that, I will remain unconvinced.

Yamcha is no saint to not do that, and bulma is no devil either.
LIke I said, I see no reason for not taking Trunks word for it, since it is the only explanation the author ever gives the reader regarding the matter.

He just uses Trunks mouth to do so and I see no inconsistencies in the manga that would make me question his words, besides possible and personal interpretations of whether Yamcha would do that or not and interpretations of whether Bulma would lie to her son regarding that subject ot not.

Even if one thinks possible for Bulma to do that, there is no reason for the author to do that in his only explanation.

Dr. Casey · Post by **Dr. Casey** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:32 pm

rere, do you honestly think Yamucha would be unfaithful to Bulma? He's an honorable man, a class act. He would never cheat on his girlfriend.

Also, Yamucha seems bitter during the early Android saga, when everyone assumes that Trunks is his child, and goes 'It's not mine.' If he did cheat on Bulma, he wouldn't be bitter. As a man of honor, he would accept that he deserved to be ditched. He was so bitter/jealous/etc because he was dumped over a misunderstanding.

Kunzait_83 · Post by **Kunzait_83** » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:35 pm