Die-hard dub fans (why are you, if so?)

[m121akuma]

I'd like to think that nobody takes this discussion THAT seriously. Daizex is hardly serious business.

[mystic trunks]

Oh yeah.. There's no sarcasm in this post.Hypocrite.

Actually, there really isn't. At all. It's actually one of the more civil posts in the thread.

Yes. And it sure as hell is pompous.

[Onikage725]

I'd like to think that nobody takes this discussion THAT seriously. Daizex is hardly serious business.

But... it's on the internet...

[Kunzait_83]

You know, as I left the computer about an hour ago to walk to my friends house I was thinking about this on the way there and I said it to myself out loud, "Some guy on the internet told me I'm a lesser fan than him". You know what I did? I laughed! This whole thing has been incredibly silly.

That was more or less the crux of the point I was trying to make a few pages back. It's such a meaningless, dumbass label isn't it?

I'd like to think that nobody takes this discussion THAT seriously. Daizex is hardly serious business.

But... it's on the internet...

Oh fuck what 4chan says. Eight or nine times out of ten the internet is as far the hell away from "serious business" as it gets. Ten times out of ten in "fan" related shit of any sort.

[Dr. Casey]

So yeah, just thought I'd throw that out there.... hope I didn't create any lasting grudges with anyone.

Nah, this was a fun conversation.

Though, speaking of things that are serious business, I sincerely hope the members here have Phantasy Star IV on their list of favorite RPGs. It's the game that got me into the RPG genre.

[Kunzait_83]

Though, speaking of things that are serious business, I sincerely hope the members here have Phantasy Star IV on their list of favorite RPGs. It's the game that got me into the RPG genre.

It's my hands down #1 favorite RPG of all time. Always has been, always will be.

As I've always told Onikage, Rune Walsh could kick Magus' pasty white ass any day of the week. Ditto any other "badass RPG magic user" that ever was.

[SSJ2bardock]

So yeah, just thought I'd throw that out there.... hope I didn't create any lasting grudges with anyone.

Nah, this was a fun conversation.

Don't get me wrong, I had a hell of a time duking it out via text with you reckless sexy bitches, but it ran it's course and I realize I was really just arguing for the sake of argument on something that really has little to no importance. But hey, it's a forum, that's what we do.

[laserkid]

Well, now, Chrono Trigger is something I can agree on. It's my favorite video game!

CT rocks, and if I didn't love it I wouldn't help with/made the site for...

(WARNING... plug incoming)

Chrono Trigger Unglued

[Sn4tcH]

I certainly don't like this "lesser" fan idea. I didn't buy my Japanese action figures and fanlations back in the day before the dub was popular, because I am a "lesser" fan. I've watched the show through in Japanese, I have the toys, the posters, the manga, the modded playstations, bought copies of every game released since the PSX, and the old fuzzy VHS tapes with bad translations to prove my "hardcoreness". I think it's ridiculous to think that just because I prefer to watch the show in English, simply because it is English, makes me a "lesser" fan. The Funi dub has become nostalgic to me, like Ninja Turtles or Batman The Animated Series.

In fact, I'm bigger fan than all of you because I love TWO versions of DBZ. Nyeh.

I'm being sarcastic of course. Maybe "lesser" was an unfortunate term used in an unfortunate post. I mean, you could simply say dub fan and sub fan, as we always have. It doesn't have to be "casual" or "lesser", those terms are insulting.

[Rory]

This is what I love, the kiss'n make up bit after the online text-duel.

[VegettoEX]

Oh yeah.. There's no sarcasm in this post.Hypocrite.

Actually, there really isn't. At all. It's actually one of the more civil posts in the thread.

Yes. And it sure as hell is pompous.

It continues to appear that when you simply don't like something, it's "sarcastic" and "pompous". That's not how the world works, my friend! It's pretty clear that unless I specifically say "mystic trunks is a pretty cool guy, and by the way, I really love FUNimation's dub!"... you're not going to be happy.

And that's really no concern of mine.

[Onikage725]

Oh fuck what 4chan says. Eight or nine times out of ten the internet is as far the hell away from "serious business" as it gets. Ten times out of ten in "fan" related shit of any sort.

1. I was being sarcastic.

2. I have never been, nor will never go, to 4chan.

[Big Momma]

Oh fuck what 4chan says. Eight or nine times out of ten the internet is as far the hell away from "serious business" as it gets. Ten times out of ten in "fan" related shit of any sort.

1. I was being sarcastic.

2. I have never been, nor will never go, to 4chan.

I just want to point out that there is nothing wrong with 4chan in general...it's just /b/ you need to worry about.

[saiyangerl]

This is what I love, the kiss'n make up bit after the online text-duel.

So would the video game icebreaker be the equivilent of an online bow chicka wow wow?

[Kunzait_83]

Oh fuck what 4chan says. Eight or nine times out of ten the internet is as far the hell away from "serious business" as it gets. Ten times out of ten in "fan" related shit of any sort.

1. I was being sarcastic.

2. I have never been, nor will never go, to 4chan.

1. I knew you were being sarcastic. I'd like to think after more than a decade, I can tell when you're being a wise-ass.

2. I was just speaking in general.

[isucamper]

I think "different" fan is a better way to say it less negative conotation than "lesser" fan. But lets think about this for a second.

Absolutely, we are "different" fans. We're fans of the "different" versions of this series. If that wasn't true, we wouldn't be having this arguement.

Once you've acknowledged that the dub is different, then you have to take into account that the Japanese version existed first and that the dub is an alteration of it. Maybe the crux of the arguement lies in just how "different" each of us feel the dub is. Fans intimately familiar with the original are offended by the subtle, yet theme altering changes that the dub presents. Fans of the dub who aren't as intimately familiar with the original don't see the subtle differences and can't see what the big difference is and consequently get offended when these differences are pointed out and labeled as being "better". Alternatively, fans of the original are offended when what they feel is a inferior version of the series is being supported and proliferated into modern media.

Is there really anything else to say? I think we could all peacefully coexist if these two versions (the dub and the original) existed as completely different entities and were labeled as such.

Maybe we need a "dub" forum, and an "original version" forum.

[VegettoEX]

Maybe we need a "dub" forum, and an "original version" forum.

That would only reinforce that the decisions FUNimation has made with their treatment of the show and its altered information are... well, OK. Which they're not. Just look at all the misinformation coming from certain areas of the internet that we have to deal with the repercussions from. Setting it all aside with a pat on the head saying, "Aww, it's OK! You can go over here!" doesn't seem very helpful to anyone.

[JulieYBM]

Maybe we need a "dub" forum, and an "original version" forum.

That would only reinforce that the decisions FUNimation has made with their treatment of the show and its altered information are... well, OK. Which they're not. Just look at all the misinformation coming from certain areas of the internet that we have to deal with the repercussions from. Setting it all aside with a pat on the head saying, "Aww, it's OK! You can go over here!" doesn't seem very helpful to anyone.

And for the obligatory comparison, we One Piece fans didn't take these sorts of things sitting down, either. All the FUNimation dub/presentation has going for it amongst fans is nostalgia, whereas there was none for 4Kids' presentation of it.

[russ869]

Bah...! English. It's so hard to say one thing with also implying something else.

Why does it matter what reasons we're enjoying it for? We're both enjoying it, so that makes us both fans of the show, right?

It doesn't matter to me, that's for sure.

The dub fans seem to be the ones that keep bringing it up and demanding justification for it.

Nor does it matter to me.

So do some of you guys make a point of clarifying what version of the anime you like? If asked would you say "I'm a fan of Dragon Ball" or would you say "I'm a fan of the the Japanese version of Dragon Ball" or you know...any variation of that sort of thing?

I guess it has to come up eventually. The exchange will probably go something like this:
ME: "Hey, so I like Dragonball."
Random dude: "Oh, you mean like, 'OVER 9000!!!?'" or "That show where everyone is constipated?"
ME: "Uh... no."

But that has a lot more to do with the fact that no one I know takes Dragonball seriously. This is mainly because of how the dub has recently been made fun of on the internet, but also because I guess people tend to associate Dragonball with a time in their childhood where they were interested thing that seem pretty lame nowadays.

I'll be back when this dub vs sub bullshit finally blows over.

Never gonna happen. You'll be back when you learn to face the bullshit.

If I were a fan of only Voltron, and not Golion, could I be considered a Golion fan?

Yes, you could.

Really...? I'm curious how many people actually agree with that.

Wait...what's the difference between Shin Chan and Crayon Shin Chan?

Funimation's "Shin Chan" = completely random episode order + script that's not even close to what was happening in the original (Although admittedly, the script in Japanese pretty much amounted to just one long string of potty jokes, but...) Rewrites are little bit more accepted in 100% comedy shows; not shows that try to create comedy where the originally was none.

Wiki gives a good description:
FUNimation's dubbing of "Shin Chan" takes many liberties with the source material. Since most episodes do not feature extensive continuity, FUNimation has chosen to take advantage of this by producing episodes of the series out of their original order. As a result, characters such as Ai are introduced much earlier than in the series' original Japanese run.

The FUNimation dub is adult-oriented, with many sexual references, dark humor, and references to current popular American culture, the latter of which makes the series appear to be set in the "present day" (2007), rather than in 1992 (the year the series was first broadcast in Japan). For example, in one scene, Ai and Penny argue over which one of them is Jessica Simpson (whose first album wasn't released until the late 90s) and which one is Ashlee Simpson (whose first album wasn't released until the mid-2000s), which is very different from the original Japanese script that dealt with many social issues within Japan at the time. At least two episodes reference Rudy Guliani and his unsuccessful bid for President.

The show also created new, previously non-existent backstories, as well as significantly different personalities for the characters, including, but not limited to, Penny Milfer's father (who has yet to appear in the series) being physically abusive toward both his wife and daughter, a running gag that the show uses for black humor. The Principal of Shin's school ("Super Happy Fun Time American School" in the dub) has also been substantially changed, becoming a half Gypsy, half Peruvian man with a complicated prior life that includes a stint as a magician, in which he accidentally killed/castrasted scores of audience members. Miss Polly, one of the teachers, has been rewritten as a kinky nymphomaniac, while Shin's schoolmate Georgie (Kazama in Japanese) has been turned into an absurdly hawkish conservative.

Am I not real? Do I somehow not exist?

You know, I wonder sometimes... (even though I hear your voice from the other side of my computer speakers every week)

Fans are fans. Am I somehow a lesser Star Wars fan if I enjoy the special editions and the prequels, but not the expanded universe past the bantam books era? If you said yes, you miss out on how much that series means to me, and are being a dick.

I agree with VegettoEX's comments and I would say that, yes, in this situation you are a lesser fan by definition. And that's not an insult. In fact there isn't even any correlation between a more obsessive fan being good and a less obsessive fan being bad. All that matters is how far you want to take it.

People might consider someone more of a nerd if they get super excited about Star Wars expanded universe books. I'm probably considered overly geeky by many of my fellow Yuugiou fans simply because they never remember the Japanese names of the characters while I've used them so often I barely remember their dub names now.

People tend to want to converse with those who not only share similar interests, but share similar interest levels with them. I guess some people expect that they should always be able to have an interesting conversation about their favorite manga-based franchise with anyone on this board even without starting on a common ground. But that won't always be the possible because there is a dichotomy over what interests them about the series, or how interested they are about certain aspects.

But the dub fans here DO have an interest in discussing Dragonball, they DO want to know more about how Toriyama got his ideas, they ARE interested in the clever naming puns.

I know. That's what I just can't figure out. The fact that someone is a regular poster on this board already puts them above the average interest level in this kind of Dragonball trivia. So why do they still watch the dub exclusively, which frequently leaves out or changes those little tidbits? What's stopping them from liking both versions? I'm guessing it has to do mostly with the music and the character's voices. (In other words, it's about nostalgia. Which is fine.) If there is another explanation, I want to hear it.

I was thinking about that, but "casual" these days brings to mind "casual" vs "hardcore" gaming, and you can just just as hardcore about Wii Sports as someone else is about Left 4 Dead... so... that didn't work :/

Yeah, the fact that anyone regularly posts here pretty much means they're a "hardcore fan" of something Dragonball-related (or "Die-hard" as the titles suggests). So the dub fans who post here are rightly considered "Die-hard dub fans." I don't think any of them claim to be "Die-hard Japanese Dragonball fans." But then, some of them try to say it's the same thing. But if it was actually the same thing, then all "Die-hard dub fans" would also be "Die-hard Japanese fans."

YOU WILL ALL BECOME MY NIGGER SLAVES!

[jjgp1112]

Vegetto EX wrote:
What I actually said and what you're conveniently ignoring is that two people watching two different versions of something will inherently and absolutely enjoy it for different reasons... because it's not the exact same thing, and therefore CANNOT be enjoyed the same way. That's common sense, right?




It's not impossible for me to enjoy the same things for the same reasons as you. It doesn't have to be EXACTLY the same for us to enjoy a common thing for the same reasosn.

Nail on the fucking head.

Back when I was a xenophobic little kid who still had his doubts about Dragon Ball Z, the thing that drew me towards Gohan's fight with Cell was seeing Gohan snap and finally unleash his true power. And this was back when my only exposure to DBZ was a couple of Ocean dub episodes and the few cell games episodes I saw prior to that.

And HOLY SHIT Kunzait, do you change your icon every five seconds or something? I was looking through the thread and you had a different avatar on every page I saw you post in And every time I go back to this page you have a different icon every single time? Is this a joke?!