Did SSJ Gotenks fly outside the Planet Earth?

[goodguy777]

Fine. I could just quote myself again to prove that there's no way to 'prove' that Gotenks left the planet's atmosphere, but you clearly aren't reading it anyway.

So let's move on: fine, Gotenks left the atmosphere. So what? What is your point?

No, I wanna know why people think he didn't leave the atmosphere. The manga clearly shows that he's outside the planet, I encircled that part.

[Kaboom]

That's not Gotenks. That's showing the path of the moon. It's really, really, really close to the Earth.

And drunk at the time.

[Khalid Shahin]

Point that was brought up earlier.

The panel showing Gotenks' supposed travel path around the planet cannot be to scale - the width of his 'trail' is not several hundred kilometres wide (as is shown in the image) thus we cannot be certain the distance of it from the planet is also representative.

If you want to use that picture as proof, then you have to explain why Gotenks got bigger all of a sudden. >_>

[Maphisto86]

Logic . . . causing . . . PAIN!!!!

It's Toriyama physics 101. To me it's really all up to interpretation . . . there is nothing really to suggest whether Gotenks really did fly in space or not given the context. I mean Freeza gloated that Son Goku could not survive in space even if he did live through Planet Namek's destruction but then remember how Son Goku took Boss Rabbit and his goons to the moon? Which was later destroyed!!?? AAAAARGH! Madness!

P.S. Sorry for opening a can of worms. ; )

[goodguy777]

If you want to use that picture as proof, then you have to explain why Gotenks got bigger all of a sudden. >_>

That's not Gotenks, it's his Ki.

Logic . . . causing . . . PAIN!!!!

It's Toriyama physics 101. To me it's really all up to interpretation . . . there is nothing really to suggest whether Gotenks really did fly in space or not given the context. I mean Freeza gloated that Son Goku could not survive in space even if he did live through Planet Namek's destruction but then remember how Son Goku took Boss Rabbit and his goons to the moon? Which was later destroyed!!?? AAAAARGH! Madness!

P.S. Sorry for opening a can of worms. ; )

Humans will not instantly die when they leave atmosphere. It will take minutes or less. Besides, we didn't see Kid Goku in space.

[Piccolo Daimao]

And once again, we prove that trying to invole real-world science with Dragon Ball is a hopeless and futile task.

[Khalid Shahin]

If you want to use that picture as proof, then you have to explain why Gotenks got bigger all of a sudden. >_>

That's not Gotenks, it's his Ki.

Look at the panel where you see Gotenks physically. Look at his Ki in comparison to him. BAM! Done.

[The Time Traveller]

Maybe it became much larger in the second panel because of his speed? He became like a comet...

Oooor, maybe, just maybe, it's a comic book and we're all thinking too hard?

[goodguy777]

And once again, we prove that trying to invole real-world science with Dragon Ball is a hopeless and futile task.

What are you trying to say? that DB human will die in a matter of 1 second the moment he leaves the atmosphere? How did you know that? Prove it.

We can involve real-science but not to the point of creating laws and equations or something. For example, we can use convertions of km/day to km/sec and speed of bullet is speed of sound.

In Laymann's term:

1 million km / 2 days = 5.4 km / sec

speed of bullet = speed of sound

Maybe it became much larger in the second panel because of his speed? He became like a comet...

Oooor, maybe, just maybe, it's a comic book and we're all thinking too hard?

I'm not thinking it too hard, I'm just using the scan as proof and I'm only asking why they think Gotenks didn't leave the atmosphere. Simple but clear.

[Piccolo Daimao]

And once again, we prove that trying to invole real-world science with Dragon Ball is a hopeless and futile task.

What are you trying to say? that DB human will die in a matter of 1 second the moment he leaves the atmosphere? How did you know that? Prove it.

We can involve real-science but not to the point of creating laws and equations or something. For example, we can use convertions of km/day to km/sec and speed of bullet is speed of sound.

In Laymann's term:

1 million km / 2 days = 5.4 km / sec

speed of bullet = speed of sound

I'm sorry, but no you can't involve real-world science into Dragon Ball. Do you think Toriyama actually tries to work out this kind of stuff? Do you think he sits at his desk calculating all this crap? He's not a scientist, I'm not a scientist, and I dare say neither are you. We're talking about something that started off as a gag manga, and an author who made shit up as he went along.

Speculation is fine, but it does annoy me when people try to figure out such things as whether or not Cell could destroy the entire solar system with a Kamehameha, when the very notion of characters being able to fly and shoot energy blasts is ridiculous itself.

[goodguy777]

And once again, we prove that trying to invole real-world science with Dragon Ball is a hopeless and futile task.

What are you trying to say? that DB human will die in a matter of 1 second the moment he leaves the atmosphere? How did you know that? Prove it.

We can involve real-science but not to the point of creating laws and equations or something. For example, we can use convertions of km/day to km/sec and speed of bullet is speed of sound.

In Laymann's term:

1 million km / 2 days = 5.4 km / sec

speed of bullet = speed of sound

I'm sorry, but no you can't involve real-world science into Dragon Ball. Do you think Toriyama actually tries to work out this kind of stuff? Do you think he sits at his desk calculating all this crap? He's not a scientist, I'm not a scientist, and I dare say neither are you. We're talking about something that started off as a gag manga, and an author who made shit up as he went along.

I'm not using any science but I'm asking you how did you know that a DB normal human will die in a matter of 1 second.

Speculation is fine, but it does annoy me when people try to figure out such things as whether or not Cell could destroy the entire solar system with a Kamehameha, when the very notion of characters being able to fly and shoot energy blasts is ridiculous itself.

Don't you get it, speed of bullet and speed of sound is the same. 1 million km / 2 days and 5.4 km /sec is the same. They are all the same whether you use science or not.
I'm not using speculation, opinion and theories because in the end, it's still non canon. My point is you can't argue the things or events that are the same whether science proves it or not.

[goodguy777]

My point is there's nothing wrong if you use science to 1 million km / 2 days and 5.4 km / sec because they are the same whether science exists or not.

[Khalid Shahin]

My point is there's nothing wrong if you use science to 1 million km / 2 days and 5.4 km / sec because they are the same whether science exists or not.

I know, I'm normally not the person to say math in real life is different than the math in fiction. I just happen to find the picture from an old topic and I decided to post it here since it was so fitting.

[rereboy]

Humans will not instantly die when they leave atmosphere. It will take minutes or less. Besides, we didn't see Kid Goku in space.

Yes they will die instantly.

The temperature in space is close to the absolute zero (which is the coldest temperature there is). Therefore the temperature in space is close to -270 degrees Celsius, or -455 Fahrenheit. Even if it was 100 degrees hotter, it would still be enough to freeze them instantly and kill them.

On top of that, in space there is also no pressure at all. You know, like when you dive in the ocean, the further down you go, the more pressure there is. Its the same with our atmosphere. It has pressure. In space there isn`t one, and that alone would cause you to die instantly because our bodies are made to be at a certain pressure. Without it our heartbeat would be enough crack open our chest and kill us.

So, as you can see, Toriyama doesn`t follow science, and that manga representation is just a work or art which is supposed to show us that Gotenks went around the Globe several times. Nothing more. Its that simple.

[goodguy777]

I agree about the Gotenks argument so you don't have to be rude.
My point is there's nothing wrong if you use science to 1 million km / 2 days and 5.4 km / sec because they are the same whether science exists or not.

I know, I'm normally not the person to say math in real life is different than the math in fiction. I just happen to find the picture from an old topic and I decided to post it here since it was so fitting.

It's science, engineering. The way most of you think is you use science in DB universe to the extreme so that you can create opinions, speculations and theories which is non canon, that's the reason why you banned the science thing in DB universe. My point here is, I use science to the slightest to avoid damaging the canonity of the characters, events, series etc. I'm only using on panel showings, databooks and what is the same whether science can prove it or not.

Yes they will die instantly.

Instantly as minute or less. DB human and Real Life human has the same mortality.

The temperature in space is close to the absolute zero (which is the coldest temperature there is). Therefore the temperature in space is close to -270 degrees Celsius, or -455 Fahrenheit. Even if it was 100 degrees hotter, it would still be enough to freeze them instantly and kill them.

On top of that, in space there is also no pressure at all. You know, like when you dive in the ocean, the further down you go, the more pressure there is. Its the same with our atmosphere. It has pressure. In space there isn`t one, and that alone would cause you to die instantly because our bodies are made to be at a certain pressure. Without it our heartbeat would be enough crack open our chest and kill us.

It will take minute or less before a human dies.

So, as you can see, Toriyama doesn`t follow science, and that manga representation is just a work or art which is supposed to show us that Gotenks went around the Globe several times. Nothing more. Its that simple.

I didn't say Toriyama does follow science. Is there any posts of mine that says "Toriyama does follow science?
The Gotenks argument is over.

[VegettoEX]

(Sorry, Kaboom... I'm over-riding you on this one.)

The Gotenks argument is over.

Ya' know, if you're going to go to all this effort of starting a thread (for a question which really can't be answered, but we'll let it slide), request all sorts of opinions and facts, and then randomly decide you just don't like what people are telling you (never once backing up your refutes with anything more than an elaborate "Nuh-uh!")...

Why did you even start the thread in the first place, and who gave you the right to dictate how and when it ends?

[Khalid Shahin]

It's science, engineering. The way most of you think is you use science in DB universe to the extreme so that you can create opinions, speculations and theories which is non canon, that's the reason why you banned the science thing in DB universe. My point here is, I use science to the slightest to avoid damaging the canonity of the characters, events, series etc. I'm only using on panel showings, databooks and what is the same whether science can prove it or not.

Was that still directed to me? I wasn't trying to be mean or to debunk DB science, I was just posting a fitting picture.

[goodguy777]

(Sorry, Kaboom... I'm over-riding you on this one.)

The Gotenks argument is over.

Ya' know, if you're going to go to all this effort of starting a thread (for a question which really can't be answered, but we'll let it slide), request all sorts of opinions and facts, and then randomly decide you just don't like what people are telling you (never once backing up your refutes with anything more than an elaborate "Nuh-uh!")...

Why did you even start the thread in the first place, and who gave you the right to dictate how and when it ends?

First of all, my question was answered, that's it. And It's not that I don't like what their saying but their putting words in my mouth like "you involve real life science" or "you know what Toriyama doesn't follow science". All I'm just doing is replying their post of putting the words in my mouth. Most important of all is I didn't instigate this, they keep on putting words in my mouth.

It's science, engineering. The way most of you think is you use science in DB universe to the extreme so that you can create opinions, speculations and theories which is non canon, that's the reason why you banned the science thing in DB universe. My point here is, I use science to the slightest to avoid damaging the canonity of the characters, events, series etc. I'm only using on panel showings, databooks and what is the same whether science can prove it or not.

Was that still directed to me? I wasn't trying to be mean or to debunk DB science, I was just posting a fitting picture.

I'm sorry but I find it a little rude on my side because I didn't say Dragon Ball is science and I didn't say that Toriyama does follow science.

[Rocketman]

Yes they will die instantly.

No, they won't.

The temperature in space is close to the absolute zero (which is the coldest temperature there is). Therefore the temperature in space is close to -270 degrees Celsius, or -455 Fahrenheit. Even if it was 100 degrees hotter, it would still be enough to freeze them instantly and kill them.

Space doesn't have a temperature, because it doesn't have matter. In winter, you're cold because air molecules bump into you and steal your thermal energy. There's nothing in space to bump into you, so the only heat you'd lose would be the small amount radiated away.

On top of that, in space there is also no pressure at all. You know, like when you dive in the ocean, the further down you go, the more pressure there is. Its the same with our atmosphere. It has pressure. In space there isn`t one, and that alone would cause you to die instantly because our bodies are made to be at a certain pressure. Without it our heartbeat would be enough crack open our chest and kill us.

...what? No, the difference between ground-level and space is only 1 atmosphere of pressure. That is not a whole lot. The human body will hold together just as well in space as it will at 10.3 meters underwater, where the pressure is 2 atmospheres.

But hey, you don't have to take my word for it, you can see what NASA has to say.

"Holding your breath is likely to damage your lungs, something scuba divers have to watch out for when ascending, and you'll have eardrum trouble if your Eustachian tubes are badly plugged up, but theory predicts -- and animal experiments confirm -- that otherwise, exposure to vacuum causes no immediate injury. You do not explode. Your blood does not boil. You do not freeze. You do not instantly lose consciousness."

[goodguy777]

Yes they will die instantly.

No, they won't.

The temperature in space is close to the absolute zero (which is the coldest temperature there is). Therefore the temperature in space is close to -270 degrees Celsius, or -455 Fahrenheit. Even if it was 100 degrees hotter, it would still be enough to freeze them instantly and kill them.

Space doesn't have a temperature, because it doesn't have matter. In winter, you're cold because air molecules bump into you and steal your thermal energy. There's nothing in space to bump into you, so the only heat you'd lose would be the small amount radiated away.

On top of that, in space there is also no pressure at all. You know, like when you dive in the ocean, the further down you go, the more pressure there is. Its the same with our atmosphere. It has pressure. In space there isn`t one, and that alone would cause you to die instantly because our bodies are made to be at a certain pressure. Without it our heartbeat would be enough crack open our chest and kill us.

...what? No, the difference between ground-level and space is only 1 atmosphere of pressure. That is not a whole lot. The human body will hold together just as well in space as it will at 10.3 meters underwater, where the pressure is 2 atmospheres.

But hey, you don't have to take my word for it, you can see what NASA has to say.

"Holding your breath is likely to damage your lungs, something scuba divers have to watch out for when ascending, and you'll have eardrum trouble if your Eustachian tubes are badly plugged up, but theory predicts -- and animal experiments confirm -- that otherwise, exposure to vacuum causes no immediate injury. You do not explode. Your blood does not boil. You do not freeze. You do not instantly lose consciousness."

How long it will take before a normal human dies in a vacuum of space?