Could Goku have really beaten Fat Buu?

[smiley]

Considering he also implies in that same scene that he'll have no trouble with Kid Buu, which is proven wrong later, how serious can the quote be taken?

Note: I am referring to the "I could have beaten that Fat Buu" quote.

[VegettoEX]

I usually take Goku's quotes at face-value with that kind of stuff. He's not one to shy away from admitting his inferiority (sizing himself up against Cell comes to mind), which he spins back around to excitement at facing such a strong guy.

I generally don't care about stuff like this, but with Goku it's a little different. He doesn't brag, and he doesn't exaggerate. He's one of the rare characters I can actually accept statements from without holding things like pride and psychotic complexes in the back of my mind.

[Savage68]

Goku being confident in his own ability to have been capable of killing the fat Buu, coupled with the fact that he and Vegeta both agreed that he could kill an even stronger Buu pretty much seals the deal. Goku certainly could've killed Fat Buu, if he wanted to.

[Travis Touchdown]

Yeah I always took his original quote of saying he couldn't beat Majin Buu was just talk to get Piccolo and everyone else to count on Goten and Trunks.

[Terra-jin]

Hmmm... but did Goku know about Buu's regeneration? Maybe he thought that he could beat Buu, all things held equal. Adding in the regeneration, he may not have been able to after all.

[Savage68]

Goku knew that Vegeta blew himself up in an attempt to kill Buu. So yeah, I'm pretty sure he knew about regeneration.

And it doesn't matter if he did or not, since it turned out that he could kill an even stronger Buu.

[hleV]

I bet Goku could have beaten Fat Buu with a powerful Kamehameha.

Goku also said that he could have beaten Kid Buu if he had been able to gather the energy as SSJ3. (Later Kid Buu proved to not have shown his true power until Spirit Bomb)
Furthermore, Goku claimed that neither him nor Vegeta could have defeated Super Buu.
So if we follow VegettoEX's logic, Super Buu is superior to Kid Buu.

[smiley]

I usually take Goku's quotes at face-value with that kind of stuff. He's not one to shy away from admitting his inferiority (sizing himself up against Cell comes to mind), which he spins back around to excitement at facing such a strong guy.

I generally don't care about stuff like this, but with Goku it's a little different. He doesn't brag, and he doesn't exaggerate. He's one of the rare characters I can actually accept statements from without holding things like pride and psychotic complexes in the back of my mind.

I don't mean that he lied to look cool, I mean that it's possible that he was simply wrong (he was wrong about his chances against Kid Buu, after all).

Not that I necessarily believe this myself, but I want to see if it's possible to interpret it that way.

Goku being confident in his own ability to have been capable of killing the fat Buu

He was also confident in his ability to beat Kid Buu. We know how that ended: with Goku tired and Buu laughing and dancing.

coupled with the fact that he and Vegeta both agreed that he could kill an even stronger Buu pretty much seals the deal. Goku certainly could've killed Fat Buu, if he wanted to.

He can only beat him with Vegeta distracting him long enough to gather enough energy. He cannot beat him in a 1 on 1 fight.

[Savage68]

^I don't think there's even any point in bothering with that. Everything points to Goku being able to kill Fat Buu. Jesus.

[smiley]

Surefire debate tactic #51: Instead of addressing the opponent's arguments, simply restate your original premise as if it were fact and start all of over again.

[hleV]

He was also confident in his ability to beat Kid Buu. We know how that ended: with Goku tired and Buu laughing and dancing.

Goku measured that if he had gathered enough energy, he could have defeated Kid Buu as SSJ3. We don't know if it's true or false since the energy was not gathered. It's not like he gathered energy and failed to destroy Kid Buu, since that would completely deny his measurement.

[smiley]

That's not what I mean - I am talking about the statements made prior to their fight. He tells Vegeta that he might not get his turn if he fights him first, and when Buu first transformed back into his "Kid Buu" form, they both acted like it would be nothing they couldn't handle.

Also, I am talking about a 1 on 1 fight here. Not the one where he would have Vegeta distracting Buu for him to gather energy.

[Savage68]

Surefire debate tactic #51: Instead of addressing the opponent's arguments, simply restate your original premise as if it were fact and start all of over again.

You don't really have an argument, though. The closest thing you have to one is, "Well, maybe Goku was just wrong." Is that really the best you can do to discredit his statement against an opponent who's already displayed their max power?

lol @ trying to sound smart, though.

[smiley]

You don't really have an argument, though. The closest thing you have to one is, "Well, maybe Goku was just wrong."

And you have yet to make a valid argument for why that is wrong. He has been wrong before. He made an inacurrate claim about his chances against another Buu in that very same conversation. Why is it wrong to say that may have as well miscalculated here?

Is that really the best you can do to discredit his statement against an opponent who's already displayed their max power?

lol @ trying to sound smart, though.[

I am not discrediting his statement, I am asking if it's possible that he was wrong.

Work on your reading comprehension.

Also, I am not trying to "sound smart". It's simply a counter-measure against people like who act like their conclusions are obvious without presenting a valid argument.

[VegettoEX]

Let's everyone take their arrogant and condescending attitudes to a different forum, please. Thanks.

[Savage68]

He has been wrong before. He made an inacurrate claim about his chances against another Buu in that very same conversation. Why is it wrong to say that may have as well miscalculated here?

Because he didn't cite anything erroneous when he made the statement about being able to kill the fat Buu. If you're going to make the argument that because characters were wrong about things or even an enemy before, whatever they say shouldn't be taken seriously, good luck trying to make sense of anything in the story.

I am not discrediting his statement, I am asking if it's possible that he was wrong.

No, because he could've killed a significantly stronger Buu with a ki blast. He wouldn't need any help for the fat one, especially since he was in his dead body.

[Kaboom]

Goku is one of the few characters who actually seems to know what they're saying about anything in the Majin Boo arc. If he later admits that he could have beaten Fat Boo if he wanted, then sure he can.

[Bussani]

I think that it's possible Goku would have had a harder time against Fat Buu than he'd expected if it had turned into a real fight. Whether he was alive or dead at the time could have made a big difference, too. Maybe if he'd been dead against Kid Buu he'd have done better. Makes me wonder why they didn't just kill him.

Also, we only have Goku's word that his full SSJ3 power could wipe out Buu for good. Of course, as people have said, Goku's word is usually pretty good. And he did know how much Genki Dama it would take to wipe him out, so he must have had an idea of what it would take. And then...Buu pushed it back, and they needed a wish to fix things.

Nothing's ever easy in Dragon Ball.

[Haseowolf]

So if we follow VegettoEX's logic, Super Buu is superior to Kid Buu.

Are you saying that with sarcasm? Because that IS true. Just trying to follow along, that's all.

[jackjack]

Goku is one of the few characters who actually seems to know what they're saying about anything in the Majin Boo arc. If he later admits that he could have beaten Fat Boo if he wanted, then sure he can.

yeah, i agree. there is no reason to doubt his statements about killing both fat boo and kid boo, assume if he doesn't fight in base form.

BTW Kaboom, i think the amount of love for kid boo is unbelievable on MFG.