Discussion specifically regarding the "refreshed" TV version of DBZ created in Japan for its 20th anniversary, including individual threads for each episode.
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by ohaimynameiserik » Thu May 06, 2010 7:13 pm
Xyex wrote:ohaimynameiserik wrote:dan2026 wrote:Perhaps the 'stupidity' comment was a little much, I apologise.
But the replacement of DBZ's score with generic rock music, complete with a haphazardly translated script isn't really something we want to remember, is it?
I think it was pretty justified.
If you're over 11 years old and
you care whether Krillin says "Kienzan" or "Destructo Disc", something ain't working right in your head.
I fixed it for you.
Har har, sorry for caring, I only thought I joined a Dragon Ball forum.
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by Blue » Thu May 06, 2010 7:14 pm
Oh geeze, nevermind guys.
Herms wrote: The DB wikai lists “Rolie Buu” as one of this form’s alternate name, though I have no clue who calls him that.
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by penguintruth » Thu May 06, 2010 7:14 pm
It doesn't matter how much time passes, accuracy should beat nostalgia.
Sure, you could change Goku's name to George and he'd still be the same character, but that's not his fucking name.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
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by ohaimynameiserik » Thu May 06, 2010 7:24 pm
penguintruth wrote:It doesn't matter how much time passes, accuracy should beat nostalgia.
Sure, you could change Goku's name to George and he'd still be the same character, but that's not his fucking name.
It is again another historic time, where
pengruintruth and I are on the exact same page.
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by NeoKING » Thu May 06, 2010 7:37 pm
penguintruth wrote:Rial's Bulma is the best voice the role of Bulma has ever had in English. Rial has a sexy voice.
Fixed. I also agree. Though, I never really had a problem with Vollmer's performance.
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by Kendamu » Thu May 06, 2010 7:38 pm
penguintruth wrote:It doesn't matter how much time passes, accuracy should beat nostalgia.
Sure, you could change Goku's name to George and he'd still be the same character, but that's not his fucking name.
"What's a Goku?"
Everyone knows that his name is Zero and his best friend is Bongo.
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by penguintruth » Thu May 06, 2010 7:38 pm
Kendamu wrote:penguintruth wrote:It doesn't matter how much time passes, accuracy should beat nostalgia.
Sure, you could change Goku's name to George and he'd still be the same character, but that's not his fucking name.
"What's a Goku?"
Everyone knows that his name is Zero and his best friend is Bongo.
I think I've seen that dub.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
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by Super Sonic » Thu May 06, 2010 8:01 pm
penguintruth wrote:It doesn't matter how much time passes, accuracy should beat nostalgia.
Sure, you could change Goku's name to George and he'd still be the same character, but that's not his fucking name.
Name changes work best when it's necessary like in Sailor Moon R. Not so much in DB, though at times it's meh.
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by Gaffer Tape » Thu May 06, 2010 8:03 pm
Why were name changes necessary in Sailor Moon R?
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by Blue » Thu May 06, 2010 8:06 pm
Super Sonic wrote:penguintruth wrote:It doesn't matter how much time passes, accuracy should beat nostalgia.
Sure, you could change Goku's name to George and he'd still be the same character, but that's not his fucking name.
Name changes work best when it's necessary like in Sailor Moon R. Not so much in DB, though at times it's meh.
Allow me to shake my fist angrily at you in disagreement of this statement!
(I actually don't mind the Sailor Moon dub but I still don't think name changes are necessary, especially when they refused to be consistent with attack name changes.)
Anyway, do you think they decided who is voicing who as late as the Namek arc? I'm really curious as to whether or not Sabat is still going to be playing Recoome.
Herms wrote: The DB wikai lists “Rolie Buu” as one of this form’s alternate name, though I have no clue who calls him that.
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by Super Sonic » Thu May 06, 2010 8:14 pm
Gaffer Tape wrote:Why were name changes necessary in Sailor Moon R?
2 words: Black Lady.
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by SylentEcho » Thu May 06, 2010 8:14 pm
Sabat is just overall horrible in my opinion. His Vegeta is good, but only suits the older Vegeta. He did a pretty good Brian Drummond impression on
that Ultimate Uncut trailerfor the younger Vegeta remember?
I don't like his Kami or Piccolo either. He's really good for Yamcha and Yajirobe though.
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by Blue » Thu May 06, 2010 8:16 pm
Super Sonic wrote:Gaffer Tape wrote:Why were name changes necessary in Sailor Moon R?
2 words: Black Lady.
Oh shit, Pokemon Black version's name should be changed too. Talk about implying African American Pokemon are walking around all over the place. That's why they changed the Black Magician's name too! It's not like "Black Magic" was ever a term or anything.
Herms wrote: The DB wikai lists “Rolie Buu” as one of this form’s alternate name, though I have no clue who calls him that.
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by Super Sonic » Thu May 06, 2010 8:17 pm
SylentEcho wrote:Sabat is just overall horrible in my opinion. His Vegeta is good, but only suits the older Vegeta. He did a pretty good Brian Drummond impression on
that Ultimate Uncut trailerfor the younger Vegeta remember?
I don't like his Kami or Piccolo either. He's really good for Yamcha and Yajirobe though.
Mr. Sabat didn't do Yajirobe. Mike McFarland did his voice.
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by Metalwario64 » Thu May 06, 2010 8:20 pm
That sounds as awful as his "Season Three" Vegeta voice...
I wonder why they went that route with the "Ultimate Uncut" trailer, even though that wasn't the voice he used in that dub...
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by B » Thu May 06, 2010 8:21 pm
SylentEcho wrote:Sabat is just overall horrible in my opinion. His Vegeta is good, but only suits the older Vegeta. He did a pretty good Brian Drummond impression on
that Ultimate Uncut trailerfor the younger Vegeta remember?
I don't like his Kami or Piccolo either. He's really good for Yamcha and Yajirobe though.
Maybe I'm crazy, but there's a significant difference in Horikawa's performance that you can go ahead and label the various ages of Vegeta as sounding different? Because I've never heard that.
And I happen to think Sabat's Piccolo, as it stands at this moment, with Kai, is the best voice of the main cast. Strait's Krillin a close second.
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by penguintruth » Thu May 06, 2010 8:43 pm
I've never been a big Sabat fan, but I'm definitely digging both his Vegeta and Piccolo for Kai in the clips I've heard.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
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by Kendamu » Thu May 06, 2010 9:36 pm
B wrote:SylentEcho wrote:Sabat is just overall horrible in my opinion. His Vegeta is good, but only suits the older Vegeta. He did a pretty good Brian Drummond impression on
that Ultimate Uncut trailerfor the younger Vegeta remember?
I don't like his Kami or Piccolo either. He's really good for Yamcha and Yajirobe though.
Maybe I'm crazy, but there's a significant difference in Horikawa's performance that you can go ahead and label the various ages of Vegeta as sounding different? Because I've never heard that.
Not really. Horikawa even sounds mostly the same for kid Vegeta's one or two lines in the Bardock Special.
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by ohaimynameiserik » Thu May 06, 2010 10:49 pm
penguintruth wrote:I've never been a big Sabat fan, but I'm definitely digging both his Vegeta and Piccolo for Kai in the clips I've heard.
I think you'll be really impressed with the more natural subtle performances he's brought around this time.
Not to mention he's saying just about everything he's supposed to. Honestly, I think once you watch a few episodes, or at least when more than like 30 second clips are available online, I think you'll actually find yourself satisfied from this dub.
Which is saying a lot, knowing you.
EDIT: I say the phrase "I think" way too much. But you get the idea.
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by Gaffer Tape » Thu May 06, 2010 11:35 pm
Which is saying a lot, knowing you.
Am I the only person who doesn't think penguintruth has impossibly high standards? He has been heaping on the praise with this Kai dub so far. It seems his main beef is with Schemmel's Goku, and even though I don't always agree, I can certainly respect that.
