Dragon Ball Z Kai Volume 1 Discussion

[Khalid Shahin]

I can't believe you guys are going through the footage frame by frame looking for wonky looking shots.
Most of which can't even be seen without pausing the video.
If I was sad enough I could pull literally thousands of them from from DBZ, so don't act like it was a perfect production.

Whoa, that wasn't my intention. I don't have too much of a problem on how it is drawn, but I have big a problem how it looks overall. Just look at the line thickness and how it has a very digital look which doesn't match the style, the original shots definitely look better. That is my problem, especially since what was there before was better.

Except Z is 20 years old, Kai is brand new. You expect more from newer shows.

Not when anime nowadays is done mostly with flash.
Ugh...I how I hate flash animation...

Flash can be done right, its just that it is done wrong so often. An example of a show done right in Flash is Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends.

[Treklin]

what font funi uses for their dbz kai sets ???

[Gaffer Tape]

*Head Desk*
All aboard the serious bias train.

The animation is more fluid in Kai thus the more tween shots there are. Of course you'll find more exaggerated tween shots in Kai because there are more in general.

Feel free to bang your head against a desk as much as you like.

Of course there's going to be bias here! I don't think anyone can objectively look at two pieces of art and say, "This one is better than the other." But, honestly, do you really think the image you showed is anywhere near as bad as that Vegeta shot? The former is a below-average drawing of Gohan with a funny face. The latter is MS Paint Vegeta left in the sun too long. And, yeah, that's my opinion. However, it's certainly not my opinion with the mindset, "Kai is automatically worse than Z, and I have to find things to pick apart." Because, really, I don't dislike Kai. I generally prefer Z, but I'm not out to bash Kai. But simply me judging those two pictures side by side, I found one to be substantially worse-looking than the other. If I see a shot of Z's opening that I honestly think is as bad (or even worse) than that image of Kai, then I will be the first person to admit that I was wrong in my thought that Kai's opening animation has worse in-betweens than Z did. I just didn't think that one fit the bill. Sorry that upsets you so.

[MarcFBR]

Not when anime nowadays is done mostly with flash.
Ugh...I how I hate flash animation...

There is very little animation actually made in Flash.

[Blue]

Words

As I stated you'll find more shots like that in Kai's openings because there are a lot more tween frames in general to make a more fluid animation. What part of this aren't you grasping? Way to ignore the entire main point of the post.

[Gaffer Tape]

Ugh. Just.... uggggghhhhhhhhhhh. Please stop copping an attitude with me.

And in turn, way to miss my point. Again, all I asked for was one counterexample from the Z opening. Just thought it would be a fun little experiment to put these debates about in-between frames to rest, an argument that, up to that point, I hadn't even cared to debate upon. I figured that hopefully those who were would be able to reach a concensus by comparing the evidence. Granted, so far, no one else from this debate has even weighed in yet.

I don't care about which show has more and never argued the point. You gave me an example, and I personally did not think that the example you provided was as bad as the example I was comparing it to from Kai. My opinion is by no means definitive, but it is my opinion, and I do not have to say that I agree with your opinion if I don't.

Sorry this backfired as badly as it did. That was certainly not my intention. If we can't do this peacefully, I don't care to do it anymore.

[Blue]

Ugh. Just.... uggggghhhhhhhhhhh. Please stop copping an attitude with me.

And in turn, way to miss my point. Again, all I asked for was one counterexample from the Z opening. Just thought it would be a fun little experiment to put these debates about in-between frames to rest, an argument that, up to that point, I hadn't even cared to debate upon. I figured that hopefully those who were would be able to reach a consensus by comparing the evidence. Granted, so far, no one else from this debate has even weighed in yet.

I don't care about which show has more and never argued the point. You gave me an example, and I personally did not think that the example you provided was as bad as the example I was comparing it to from Kai. My opinion is by no means definitive, but it is my opinion, and I do not have to say that I agree with your opinion if I don't.

Sorry this backfired as badly as it did. That was certainly not my intention. If we can't do this peacefully, I don't care to do it anymore.

I'm just explaining why Kai looks the way it does and that it's harder to find specific examples from Z's opening because of the different animation styles. These things are tied together you see. It's not like I'm going off on an unrelated tangent. The whole "experiment" is kind of hard to do because of this fact. I have no idea what "attitude" you're talking about unless it's the exasperation I have from trying to get this point across well.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

what font funi uses for their dbz kai sets ???

I dunno. I've never seen that font used in any other FUNimation release.



But I do like the look of it.

[Goku100xKamehameha]

I can't believe you guys are going through the footage frame by frame looking for wonky looking shots.
Most of which can't even be seen without pausing the video.
If I was sad enough I could pull literally thousands of them from from DBZ, so don't act like it was a perfect production.

I'm just going frame by frame on the OPs and EDs not the episodes because in Kai it would probably can be seen without even goin frame by frame.

[Cipher]

There are a million reasons to hate Kai. Bad in-between shots aren't one of them.

In fact, the presence of exaggerated in-betweens usually speaks to more fluid looking animation over all. The fluidity of the animation and artistic quality of still and long shots are what matters. Not random freeze frames.

So be sensible and get back to ragging on Kai for its generic music, its lazy and haphazard editing, its terrible-looking redrawn scenes, and its tired sounding Japanese cast. The new opening and dub are the best (only good?) things to come out of the series, and somehow they're the only things being scrutinized.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

So be sensible and get back to ragging on Kai for its generic music, its lazy and haphazard editing, its terrible-looking redrawn scenes, and its tired sounding Japanese cast. The new opening and dub are the best (only good?) things to come out of the series, and somehow they're the only things being scrutinized.

This. Seriously, the Kai score is really generic, almost as generic as the UUC score. But you see more people badmouthing the UUC score than the Kai score because the Kai score is Japanese meaning it is better by default.


At least Kikuchi's, Faulconer's and Menza's scores are easily recognized and aren't like typical Anime scores out there.

[penguintruth]

What's weird is that Yamamoto's contributions to Z were a lot better than most of his Kai work.

But I do enjoy some tracks, like "The Braveheart's Triumphant Return" and "Anxiety and Unease", and thought the utilization of music during the battle between Goku and Freeza was pretty good. And the newer tracks are a lot better than some of the early Kai stuff.

It's no Kikuchi, but hey, it could be a lot worse. It could be recycled Power Rangers/Mega Man cartoon music. Yamamoto's score is one of my problems with the series as a whole, but it's not nearly as bad as I once thought it.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

It's no Kikuchi, but hey, it could be a lot worse. It could be recycled Power Rangers/Mega Man cartoon music.

Amen to that. I think everyone can agree that the Ocean dub score is the worst DB score ever.

[Goku100xKamehameha]

Not from this set but just want to show you

[jjgp1112]

Why do you keep doing this?

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Why do you keep doing this?

Because he wants to let everyone know that he can take screencaps of everything.

[Goku100xKamehameha]

Why do you keep doing this?

Because he wants to let everyone know that he can take screencaps of everything.

What!no! I'm doing this because I want to show you Toei's poor animated scenes.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

What!no! I'm doing this because I want to show you Toei's poor animated scenes.

We all know that the opening and ending have some pretty bad animation in them.

[dan2026]

What!no! I'm doing this because I want to show you Toei's poor animated scenes.

Except it isn't poor animation, like people have already told you several times..

These are in-between frames on screen for probably 1/10 of a second.

In motion it looks wonderful, so considering its ANIMATION, that's what counts.
You are proving absolutely nothing by this.

[RoarkVegeta]

I say "Who gives a shit?". Whatever...