Does Bukujustu require a lot of Ki?

[Ketchup_Revenge]

There's no reason to put Videl above a crappy number like 20. Gohan said she was stronger than Mr Satan, but honestly, how much credit can someone give Mr Satan anyway?
The only reason that Goku and friends were so strong against the Saiyans was because they had trained under Kami, and learned to cultivate ki. Videl never learned this.

Also physical strength has nothing to do with the "battle power" anyway (which to me makes absolutely no sense, but that's the way it is).

[Dayspring]

She's weak as hell by Boo saga standards, not by DB/Saiyan-era standards.

Based on what? I'm pretty sure Goku, in his first appearance, is still stronger than her.

I wouldn't say Saiyan standards, but there is proof that she's early-DB strong. Satan is still one of the strongest non-main characters on Earth. He could easily be stronger than Guiran or whatever that dragon-guy was called, while Videl is flat out stated to have surpassed Satan

[DragonBalllKaiHD]

She's weak as hell by Boo saga standards, not by DB/Saiyan-era standards.

I'm pretty sure Goku, in his first appearance, is still stronger than her.

I have to disagree with that statement. Goku had BP of 10. Gohan, who was almost equal to or stronger than Cell, commented that Videl was far stronger than he thought, and that she had far surpassed his father. Videl has to be stronger than Goku in his first appearance. I think she might be able to handle pre-cyborg Tao Pai Pai

[Kaboom]

Mr. Satan could be an 8, and Videl a 9.

[Savage68]

She's weak as hell by Boo saga standards, not by DB/Saiyan-era standards.

I'm pretty sure Goku, in his first appearance, is still stronger than her.

I have to disagree with that statement. Goku had BP of 10. Gohan, who was almost equal to or stronger than Cell, commented that Videl was far stronger than he thought, and that she had far surpassed his father. Videl has to be stronger than Goku in his first appearance. I think she might be able to handle pre-cyborg Tao Pai Pai

Early Goku's strength was far ahead of Satan's, too. Think about it this way:

Goku: *gets shot in the head*
"Hey, that really hurt! What the heck are you doing?"

Satan: *gets shot in the stomach*
"OH GOD NO

SOMEONE PLEASE HELP ME

I'M DYING"

[rereboy]

I would say that it was sayan physiology that made his bones, muscles and skin very, very hard. In terms of raw strength I think Mr. Satan is actually ahead of Goku at that time.

[Savage68]

What has Satan done to suggest that? I can't see him lifting a car up over his head or kicking a giant fish into submission. Goku was already superhuman before he even started training with Roshi. Mr. Satan is simply top-tier human. And I mean regular human.

[rereboy]

I realize that, but I find it hard to believe that Mr. Satan is the strongest in the world (if we don`t consider his daughter, Goku and the gang) if he is not t least a little stronger than Goku when he first appeared.

But I admit... You got me with that lifting the car argument. I don`t see Mr. Satan capable of doing that at all . So he must be weaker.

[Dayspring]

Mr. Satan could be an 8, and Videl a 9.

Except she clearly has better flying skills than Chaozu and Tenshinhan did at the 22nd budokai, implying that there's a lot to it. Plus she was kicking Supopvitch's ass, who has his strength drastically increased. Sure he was kind of invulnerable and couldn't lose stamina, but the elements of strength and speed were in her favor, not his.

As for Goku's BP of 10, he was at rest when we first see him. He may have been significantly higher when actually fighting.

[Coola Yagami]

Videl would have flat-out killed Spopobich with that kick if he didn't have.... um.... undying neck-fixing powers....? So she was quite strong. But DB Goku was already kinda wacky-strength in his first appearances, lifting cars, taking ax blows and gunshots to the head... I mean he was kinda/sorta a male Arale when the series started out.

Mr. Satan kinda/sorta appeared when DB entered a more 'real-world' territory. There were less animal-people and dinosaurs running around, Tekaichi Budokai fans forgot about past tournaments where people could fly and fire off ki blasts. Everyone basically thought Cell was a dude in a green roach suit using parlor tricks to fool people.... Hell, Videl thought ki was a trick when first exposed to it.

Mr. Satan is the strongest 'real-world' type character in the series, that is excluding anyone that can fire off ki, lift cartoonishly heavy weights, punch mountains in half, run faster than the eye can see, leap 50 feet in the air, blah blah. The normal people of DragonWorld in the Buu saga would have freaked the hell out if they saw Nam leap that high or Tao Pai Pai ride a stone pillar through the air. I assume Mr. Satan and Videl would freak out just the same.

[Savage68]

Videl would have flat-out killed Spopobich with that kick if he didn't have.... um.... undying neck-fixing powers....? So she was quite strong.

That doesn't say as much about Videl's superiority as it does about Spopovitch's inferiority. I mean, early DB Goku was getting knocked through boulders without taking any serious injuries (before Roshi's training). And again, I have to bring up this example - do you think Videl would be able to shrug off a bullet to the forehead, or that she could lift up a car with on arm?

[Coola Yagami]

Videl would have flat-out killed Spopobich with that kick if he didn't have.... um.... undying neck-fixing powers....? So she was quite strong.

That doesn't say as much about Videl's superiority as it does about Spopovitch's inferiority. I mean, early DB Goku was getting knocked through boulders without taking any serious injuries (before Roshi's training). And again, I have to bring up this example - do you think Videl would be able to shrug off a bullet to the forehead, or that she could lift up a car with on arm?

Naw, of course not. I just meant it referred to how Videl could have killed someone that (is/was) clearly twice (or more so?) as strong as her. And I did mention in my post that I don't think Videl was anywhere near Goku's Arale-ish strength when he was first introduced.

[Dayspring]

Videl would have flat-out killed Spopobich with that kick if he didn't have.... um.... undying neck-fixing powers....? So she was quite strong.

That doesn't say as much about Videl's superiority as it does about Spopovitch's inferiority. I mean, early DB Goku was getting knocked through boulders without taking any serious injuries (before Roshi's training). And again, I have to bring up this example - do you think Videl would be able to shrug off a bullet to the forehead, or that she could lift up a car with on arm?

At this point in the game? Yes, actually. She has better flying skills than 22nd Budokai Tenshinhan. That implies she's frickin' strong.

[Savage68]

I don't ever see her doing anything that puts her above 22nd Budokai Tenshinhan. Or 21st Budokai Goku. Or Yamcha, in his very first appearance. Yamcha's Fist o/ Wolf Gale sent Goku flying through enormous desert pillars, and Goku got right back up after ward. Dazed, yes. But he quickly snapped out of it. Videl's full-power kick managed to...turn Spopovich's head around on his shoulders? That's it?

I would need to actually see something that implies her strength to be on par with Early Goku's to believe she's much stronger than 22nd Budokai Tenshinhan. Because if we're going to say bukujutsu is almost entirely reliant upon the sheer amount of ki that the user puts into it (while throwing out the possibility that Tenshinhan was simply unskilled with it, for some reason), that makes Videl comparable to 23rd Budokai Goku or Piccolo. Needless to say, that's just craaazeh.

[Clockwork00]

Comparing early Dragonball to late DBZ is comparing a gag manga to a much more realistic one. If Videl had existed within the first few volumes, I think she would've been capable of many of the same things as Goku. However, the harmless bullets and comical superstrength began to get phased out, leaving somewhat more believable humans. In my opinion, Videl and young Goku aren't comparable, since they almost come from completely different worlds, each with different laws of physics.

But if you insist on comparing them equally, then Goku would have to be stronger.

[Savage68]

Comparing early Dragonball to late DBZ is comparing a gag manga to a much more realistic one.

Of course it is. But Goku's strength still remained consistent throughout, and there's really no other way to quantify their power before things got more action-oriented.

[Coola Yagami]

It kinda seemed like Videl put everything into that Spopobich-neck-buster Kick. I doubt she could kick a mountain into pebbles. Also it seemed the ki used for flying isn't relative to the strength someone has. It's just a technique to be learned. Like someone that has mastered a triple backflip might have problems learning to do a jab-cross-uppercut combo. Different techniques.

TenShinHan could only hover in his first appearance, but he had no problem using the Kikoho or learning the KameHame Ha on the spot. Goten could turn Super Saiyan and could use small ki shots, but didn't know how to fly yet. Videl could fly faster than DB Ten and Chaozu, yet never learned to use ki blasts. The Bukujutsu is a certain kind of technique one that uses ki can learn depending on their own skill level, regardless of what else they can or can't do with their ki.

And sorry, but apart from flying and being a skilled martial artist, Videl just seems too 'real-world' to me, especially with how the Buu Saga tried to turn things a little more realistic for commonfolk. Shoot her in the forehead and she'll die any of us would.