"DragonBall Z Kai" TV Broadcast Talkback

[VegettoEX]

Am I missing something? How has Gohan had more (especially significantly more) voices than the younger Goku? Ignoring the "alternate" English dub and older versions of the characters (Corlett + Kelamis + Schemmel / Clarke + Hebert):

• You had the original FUNimation dub with The Ocean Group (Saffron Henderson playing both) = Goku +1, Gohan +1
• You had the dub of DB movie 2 prior to "Season 3" of DBZ with Nadolny* as Goku = Goku +2, Gohan +1
• You had the dub of DB movie 3 in 2001 with Delgadillo = Goku +3, Gohan +1
• You had "Season 3" onwards with Nadolny as Gohan = Goku +3, Gohan +2
• You had the re- and continued-dub of the DB TV series (as well as DB movie 4) keeping Nadolny = Goku +3 or +4 (depending on your counting methods; it technically "replaced" Delgadillo), Gohan +2
• You had the dub of DBGT with Nadolny as Goku = (how do you want to count this? probably not by adding anything...) = Goku +3 or +4 (depending on your counting methods), Gohan +2
• You have the new dub of Kai with Clinkenbeard = Goku +3 or +4 (depending on your counting methods, even more if you consider she appears to have handled the baby Goku stuff), Gohan +3

* Am I right on this? That's what our movie guide entry says, but I'm not 100% sure without going back to check the DVD... I'm just assuming we vetted this information before putting it up

You certainly have a point with regard to the amount of time spent with each voice (an "entire" two series, though even in both DB and DBGT Schemmel takes over for the "adult" Goku roles in the last tournament and SSJ4 / other "adult" appearances).

Also, forget about the release date of Origins 2... I'm fairly certain that the dialogue was recorded far in advance (if not sampled from somewhere else), so the final cast of Kai may not have been decided or settled upon, or been fully put into use yet... the times just don't correlate, so we really can't and shouldn't use that as evidence for anything.

For the record, does anyone else hear Clinkenbeard in Goku's "Ka - me - ha - me - HA!" and Nadolny in all other bits of dialogue in that game...? I'm not convinced it's all the same voice through and through.

[DB_Fan1991]

* Am I right on this? That's what our movie guide entry says, but I'm not 100% sure without going back to check the DVD... I'm just assuming we vetted this information before putting it up.

No Delgadillo was Goku in DB movies 2 & 3. Nadolny first voiced Goku in the DB series.

[Innagadadavida]

Am I missing something? How has Gohan had more (especially significantly more) voices than the younger Goku? Ignoring the "alternate" English dub and older versions of the characters (Corlett + Kelamis + Schemmel / Clarke + Hebert)

He has been consistently voiced by the same actress through the entire run of the TV series (both Dragon Ball and GT) and one movie.

Also, forget about the release date of Origins 2... I'm fairly certain that the dialogue was recorded far in advance (if not sampled from somewhere else), so the final cast of Kai may not have been decided or settled upon, or been fully put into use yet... the times just don't correlate, so we really can't and shouldn't use that as evidence for anything.

For the record, does anyone else hear Clinkenbeard in Goku's "Ka - me - ha - me - HA!" and Nadolny in all other bits of dialogue in that game...? I'm not convinced it's all the same voice through and through.

I dunno why they'd use Clinkenbeard for the "Ka-me-ha-me-ha" if they already had Nadolny's recording of the same attack in the last "Origins" game. Even if they had Clinkenbeard do a few grunts, but they still used clips from Nadonly, it just shows that they're still trying to keep that voice for Goku. If that's the case, they may just have her come in for Goku in the few games coming up and the possible redub of movies 1-3.

[VegettoEX]

Innagadadavida: Don't just quote yourself in answer to one of my questions. I went on to address it. It seems like you're just ignoring all of that for no particular reason.

DB_Fan1991: Huh. Must have been a bad copy-and-paste error. I'll double-check the DVD credits myself later just for the heck of it and correct that. Luckily, it doesn't really affect my numbering in the previous post .

[Cowboy Dev]

Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at. They probably recorded that game long before Kai's cast changes ever even occured.

[Innagadadavida]

Innagadadavida: Don't just quote yourself in answer to one of my questions. I went on to address it. It seems like you're just ignoring all of that for no particular reason.

Well, the point of me quoting myself was that I had already mentioned the same thing you did only with less words. I implied that she hasn't been the only voice actor, but left out the other bits to strengthen my argument Fox News style.

But I guess I forgot about that 1995 dub. I actually have grown to like that Goku a little bit. I have grown more familiar with that dub watching it with my little brothers because it was edited.

But, that dub ran completely separately, YEARS before the current FUNimation dub. The most recent dub of the Dragon Ball TV series ran in its entirety on Cartoon Network, without any hiccups; the same quality voice acting, music, and actors all the way through... consistency. The same can not be said about Dragon Ball Z. That Ocean dub through Recoome ran several times over before the current (well, mostly current) voice cast took over in the same time-slot, IIRC.

[RazorX]

Ignoring the "alternate" English dub

If by "alternate" you mean the Westwood Studios/Ocean dub of DBZ, why ignore it? Don't you think it's better than FUNimation's DBZ dub?

[JulieYBM]

Ignoring the "alternate" English dub

If by "alternate" you mean the Westwood Studios/Ocean dub of DBZ, why ignore it? Don't you think it's better than FUNimation's DBZ dub?

He's ignoring it because FUNimation had nothing to do with the dub and the discussion is centered on FUNimation-hired talent (which means no Jillian Michael child Gokû/Gohan or Peter Kelamis child Gokû).

[VegettoEX]

Ignoring the "alternate" English dub

If by "alternate" you mean the Westwood Studios/Ocean dub of DBZ, why ignore it? Don't you think it's better than FUNimation's DBZ dub?

I will absolutely not get baited into your obligatory "Ocean vs FUNimation" dub nonsense. As JulieYBM described, this conversation has absolutely nothing to do with the alternate English dub(s) with relation to FUNimation's in-house productions and casting choices -- I simply mentioned it to ward off any particular comments like the one you've made.

It's not a question of "good" or "bad" -- it's a matter of "X has absolutely nothing to do with Y".

[RazorX]

He's ignoring it because FUNimation had nothing to do with the dub and the discussion is centered on FUNimation-hired talent (which means no Jillian Michael child Gokû/Gohan or Peter Kelamis child Gokû).

Kirby Morrow also voiced Kid Goku.

I will absolutely not get baited into your obligatory "Ocean vs FUNimation" dub nonsense.

I was not trying to "bait" you. I recall reading a post which if I remember correctly was from you stating that the US has not had a decent dub of Dragon Ball since 1997. Pre 1997 the dubs were all done in Vancouver using the Vancouver/Ocean cast (except Harmony Gold's dub) and so that gave the impression that you preferred the Ocean cast to FUNimation's in house cast.

Generally speaking, there's nothing wrong with stating a preference or elaborating on it. I don't know why you automatically assumed I was trying to drag you into an argument.

It's not a question of "good" or "bad" -- it's a matter of "X has absolutely nothing to do with Y".

Strictly speaking, the included BLT Productions DB and Ocean Group DBZ dubs did not use Funimation's in house cast, needless to say. (FUNi didn't even have an in house cast then) They were commissioned by Funimation. The later Ocean DBZ dub utilised the same cast but was commissioned by another company. It's a technicality but if you'd just want to count the Kid Goku/Kid Gohan actresses in Funimation commissioned dubs for this discussion, fair enough.

On a wider note, perspective comes into play. I see the Westwood Studios/Ocean dub as the main DBZ dub with FUNimation's DBZ dub being the "alternate" version.

[Zep]

New guy here... I skipped the introduction board, as I'm not very good at that kind of thing, so I'll just get to the point.

I was watching the episode with the Gurd/Guldo fight, and I have to say... that editing on the decapitation was just lousy. I dunno if anyone else mentioned, but just magically having the head vanish wasn't really the best way to deal with it. They also may as well have gotten rid of Vegeta blasting him, considering how badly that came off too with him clearly blasting thin air.

It's admittedly a difficult scene to deal with if you're squeamish about decapitations on kids TV, but even in the old days they got creative and found ways to sidestep it, like air-brushing the head back on his body when he falls over... Then again it's all too easy for that sort of thing to turn out horribly too. To be honest I would've thought that Gurd/Guldo looked sufficiently alien enough to get away with having grievous bodily harm inflicted on him.

Then again, I'll never understand TV censorship of this type of thing. It's weird how stuff like this gets edited, while other shows get away with murder. One scene I remember is from an old cartoon called Captain Simian and the Space Monkeys, where a character in a flashback gets zapped by a villain and literally explodes in a shower of blood and bone fragments... Then again only about 12 people saw Captain Simian, so that would explain why it didn't cause any problems.

I'll agree with most people that most of the new and returning voice cast are doing a decent job, and I hope it only gets better as time goes by... Weird changes like Jees/Jeice's voice notwithstanding.

[VegettoEX]

Strictly speaking, the included BLT Productions DB and Ocean Group DBZ dubs did not use Funimation's in house cast, needless to say. (FUNi didn't even have an in house cast then) They were commissioned by Funimation. The later Ocean DBZ dub utilised the same cast but was commissioned by another company. It's a technicality but if you'd just want to count the Kid Goku/Kid Gohan actresses in Funimation commissioned dubs for this discussion, fair enough.

Yes, we're all aware of this -- but the fact remains that we're talking about FUNimation products here, and those were "technically" FUNimation productions.

On a wider note, perspective comes into play. I see the Westwood Studios/Ocean dub as the main DBZ dub with FUNimation's DBZ dub being the "alternate" version.

Again, that's fine and all... but this conversation is about FUNimation productions.

Trust me -- I'm the last person on the planet you'll find defending FUNimation's dub of any series as the "central" version to focus around. At the same time, let's be honest... nothing you're talking about has any relevance what-so-ever to the conversation at hand.

RE: GURD EDITS

I have not seen it and have little interest in checking it out, but methinks the old edit of the body magically being moved back over to the head sounds like the best thing evarz.

[Zep]

I have not seen it and have little interest in checking it out, but methinks the old edit of the body magically being moved back over to the head sounds like the best thing evarz.

I only know of the original edit through DBZ Uncensored (which, reading it back now through webarchive, seems needlessly meanspirited and snarky half the time), and according to that it came off quite well. I'd like to try and find it myself, but trying to find the original Saban/Cartoon Network edits of DBZ is really difficult, at least in my experience... Which is admittedly pretty limited.

[RazorX]

Again, that's fine and all... but this conversation is about FUNimation productions.

Trust me -- I'm the last person on the planet you'll find defending FUNimation's dub of any series as the "central" version to focus around. At the same time, let's be honest... nothing you're talking about has any relevance what-so-ever to the conversation at hand.

I was a bit confused at your statement about ignoring the "alternate" dub considering what I heard from you before, but it's been cleared now. I wouldn't expect you to defend FUNimation's dub and for good reason.

RE: GURD EDITS

I have not seen it and have little interest in checking it out, but methinks the old edit of the body magically being moved back over to the head sounds like the best thing evarz.

The Nicktoons Kai edit is much sloppier than the Saban/Funi/Ocean edit. In the latter, you could clearly see Vegeta blasting Guldo and his body didn't appear thereafter. With the Kai edit, it looks like Vegeta blasted thin air, but gives the impression he blasted Guldo, only to have his body appear in the following episode.

[JulieYBM]

Here's a clip of the Ghurd edit from the Ocean dub. Man, I never noticed it before. O.o

[RazorX]

Agreed. MasakoX can really portray the naive and light-hearted side of Gokū well, but really falls short when it comes to the angry and pissed off side of the character. He just doesn't have the intensity that Mr. Schemmel has in that role.

From the little we saw of the season 3 material in episode 31, you can see how Sean's intensity has improved compared to when he first started.

Do you have the link or archive of the full interview of Kelamis quoted in your signature? We could easily tell that Kelamis tried to imitate the pitch of the original in certain screams and it really worked, but it's still nice to hear it from the actor himself.

Appears being the key word, I too have issues with Sean's Goku, about as much as I do with Sabat's Vegeta. They're both uneven, with Sabat having a slight edge in the acting department. But then that may be because Sabat is voicing two of the most developed characters in Dragon Ball so he has a unfair advantage.

In Funi's Z dub, I thought that Sean had the acting advantage over Sabat. I didn't like either but Sabat made me cringe more than Sean.

Both of them improved in Kai, more than I expected.

[Zep]

Here's a clip of the Ghurd edit from the Ocean dub. Man, I never noticed it before. O.o

Man, that's actually pretty rough. I mean, an A for effort, but the obvious cut and paste editing is pretty cringe-worthy.

[MR.Mark]

Both of them improved in Kai, more than I expected.

I feel Sabat has more so, but like I said it could be his roles having more depth.

[penguintruth]

I feel like Sabat is definitely the VA who has improved the most. Though I've said for a while that his Vegeta is potentially decent, I never thought I'd like his Piccolo or Yamucha.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Do you have the link or archive of the full interview of Kelamis quoted in your signature? We could easily tell that Kelamis tried to imitate the pitch of the original in certain screams and it really worked, but it's still nice to hear it from the actor himself.

Here: http://www.animecauldron.com/dbzuncenso ... lamis.html


I personally thought that Peter Kelamis was the worst English Gokū (Sean Schemmel being the best). His voice for the character was just grating to listen to. It sounded very unatural and cartoony. It just was that bad, I wouldn't have been at all surprised if he said something like "golly gee" or "gee wilerkers". His high pitched screams weren't exactly easy on the ears either.


This is essentially one of my main problems with the Ocean dub; the Gokū voices are too inconsistent. First we had Ian Corlett, who was a decent voice for the character. He was certainly tolerable as Gokū. Then he gets switched to someone who's significantly worse than him and then again, to someone who's even worse than that. I would have loved the Ocean dub a lot more if Ian Corlett had being playing Gokū the whole way through.