Kai Episode 69 (22 August 2010)

[RazorX]

Um, no, Ocean clearly copied Clark's Cell voice, or at least tried to, with horrid results.

No he didn't. Wilson clearly did his own thing. If there was copying going on, it has to be Clarke copying Wilson, due to the amount of straining in Clarke's voice. Clarke was forcing the voice out of him (though it reduced for Cell's final form) the result was an unnatural sounding voice.

[MR.Mark]

His own thing, was his stupid opera singing Cell, with the first form Cell clearly imitating Clarks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56ZA0dza3JY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBAj2CGuHAg Here's a clip with Cell fighting Scott's #16, which sounds like McNeil is choking on his own cock.

Also, you need your hearing checked if you couldn't tell any difference between Clark's voices for Cell. Wakamoto is the man, but Clark had some talent too. If Z was dubbed properly, I actually wouldn't mind his insectoid voice for imperfect Cell, it had some creepiness to it.

[RazorX]

You keep bringing up one yell from Wilson's Perfect Cell in a vain attempt to generalise his voice.

Again, if there was imitation going on, it's logical that Clarke was the one imitating Wilson, based on both of their performances, because Wilson doesn't sound strained, unlike Clarke. Wilson's voice flows easily and it sounds natural. Wilson also has the tendency to "stretch out" certain words for his Imperfect Cell voice, similar to what Wakamoto is doing for Kai. Plus you seem to be forgetting that FUNimation was the one who had almost their entire cast imitate the Ocean Group. When Ocean returned, Funimation probably had a field day, they could now rely on copying Ocean for the entire series like they did with the Ginyu episodes onwards.

you need your hearing checked

Before you accuse others, perhaps you should get your own hearing checked, and get your eyes tested while you're at it. I did not say that Clarke's voices were the same for all 3 forms of Cell, I said that Ocean's voices for Imperfect Cell and 2nd form Cell have a bigger difference than Funimation's equivalent. Clarke's voice for Imperfect Cell and 2nd form Cell are different, but the difference is not as big as Wilson's voice. Wilson's 2nd form Cell is noticeably deeper and flows easily, it's confident and menacing. Clarke's 2nd form Cell is the most strained out of his voices, it's like he's heaving every word out his mouth, sometimes I could barely understand what he was saying.

I don't know why the hell you bothered bringing up McNeil's #16, it has nothing to do with Cell's voices. #16 is definitely not McNeil's best role, but it's better than the generic "robot" voice in the Funimation dub.

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[Big Momma]

His own thing, was his stupid opera singing Cell, with the first form Cell clearly imitating Clarks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56ZA0dza3JY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBAj2CGuHAg Here's a clip with Cell fighting Scott's #16, which sounds like McNeil is choking on his own cock.

Also, you need your hearing checked if you couldn't tell any difference between Clark's voices for Cell. Wakamoto is the man, but Clark had some talent too. If Z was dubbed properly, I actually wouldn't mind his insectoid voice for imperfect Cell, it had some creepiness to it.

That voice for Cell in the 2nd Ocean clip reminds me of that green rabbit from CatDog.

[MR.Mark]

Again, if there was imitation going on, it's logical that Clarke was the one imitating Wilson

Actually, that's completely illogical, as the FUNI dub clearly was produced before the "ocean one" of the Cell era episodes, and that's the last I'll say on this subject.

[RazorX]

The Funi dub of the Cell saga was aired before the Ocean dub, but production wise Ocean overtook Funi during either the Cell or Buu saga. Ocean's Kid Buu saga was broadcast months before Funi. Because we don't know their production processes, we go by the performance on the episodes. It could be that one company records the voices before adding in the music and sfx. Not forgetting that Ocean added in a lot of modern sfx which does take time to align with the scenes as well other aspects such as volume and timing. They shared the scripts and video footage so it's more than likely that their voice actors listened to each other's performances before the episodes were completed for broadcast. Even now Sean Schemmel claimed to have listened to the Ocean dub of Kai, which we haven't heard as of yet. It makes sense considering we discovered that Ocean actually does the editing for the TV broadcast of Kai.

I'm going by the performances, I feel that Clarke strains his voice too much, especially in the 2nd form, like he's forcing a certain type of tone out, at the expense of character. Again, I'll add that I feel his straining is not as bad in his final form as his second form. His first form does sound insectoid like, but it is devoid of the sinister eerieness and creepyness which are in Dale Wilson's first form Cell and Nario Wakamoto's first form Cell in Kai.

I'm glad that Funimation have recast Cell in their Kai dub. Travis Willingham apparently did the voice for Cell in Raging Blast. From what little I've heard of it at behindthevoices.com voice comparison site, it sounds slightly less strained than Clarke but it is clear that Travis is imitating Wilson for first form Cell and Clarke for Final form Cell. Hopefully Funimation will have the sense to let him do his own thing in Kai....somewhat.

Freeza's been recast, Cell has been recast, it would be nice if Funimation continued this trend and recast Buu in Kai, so every major villain would be recast.

[MR.Mark]

At the end of the day, both DBZ dubs were terrible so arguing this is pointless. Hopefully in Kai Cell will be done justice in his perfect form is all I have to say right now.

[Perfect]

At the end of the day, both DBZ dubs were terrible so arguing this is pointless. Hopefully in Kai Cell will be done justice in his perfect form is all I have to say right now.

Travis W. will be replacing Clarke. And his Cell voice is a cheap imitation of his, so it's going to sound like shit. See Raging Blast.

[RazorX]

At the end of the day, both DBZ dubs were terrible so arguing this is pointless. Hopefully in Kai Cell will be done justice in his perfect form is all I have to say right now.

I'll agree that the Funimation Z dub was overall terrible but I view the Ocean Westwood Z dub as really good.

As far as Perfect Cell goes, I'd say it's bad luck Funimation managed to find someone who can sound as close to Clarke's Perfect Cell form as Willingham has done. That was for a video game so hopefully Funimation will ask Willingham to do his own voice rather than imitate Clarke as closely as he did in Raging Blast.

Some people claim that Funi's Kai dub Oolong is an imitation of Brad Jackson but I find it closer to Alec Willows myself. Funimation has had imitation voices in Kai (though the ones I'm thinking of are actually decent imitations of the Ocean voices so I'm OK with them ) but we'll see how Cell turns out.

Travis W. will be replacing Clarke. And his Cell voice is a cheap imitation of his, so it's going to sound like shit. See Raging Blast.

That's why I say it's bad luck at how Funi managed to find someone who can imitate Clarke's Perfect Cell voice this closely. But by some stroke of sense Funi might ask Travis to not imitate Clarke for Kai, considering the massive difference in effort Funi is putting in Kai compared to the lack of effort Funi puts in the videogames.

[Soul]

Yeah, I wouldn't count Willingham out or as a cheat imitator just yet.
Heck, they didn't replace Linda Young in Raging Blast for Freeza so we could see, performance wise something quite different for Willingham's Cell.

[JulieYBM]

Yeah, I wouldn't count Willingham out or as a cheat imitator just yet.
Heck, they didn't replace Linda Young in Raging Blast for Freeza so we could see, performance wise something quite different for Willingham's Cell.

I would hope the man just acts. His natural voice is unique enough, without needing to resort to imitations.

[Soul]

And his acting both FMA series and even as Ace in One Piece is proof he's got the ability.

[MR.Mark]

Good, cuz while Clark had some talent, and his imperfect Cell had charm, his Perfect Cell lacked edge and rage. I blame that mainly on the voice direction, as Clark certainly had this throaty ruggedness that with the right delivery, could of been great. Certainly better than opera singing Cell, but then anything's better than that rushed dub. Hopefully like Gohan, Bulma, and Freeza, Willingham will be able to for the most part do his own thing with the character to great results.

[Perfect]

Good, cuz while Clark had some talent, and his imperfect Cell had charm, his Perfect Cell lacked edge and rage. I blame that mainly on the voice direction, as Clark certainly had this throaty ruggedness that with the right delivery, could of been great. Certainly better than opera singing Cell, but then anything's better than that rushed dub. Hopefully like Gohan, Bulma, and Freeza, Willingham will be able to for the most part do his own thing with the character to great results.

Gohan's new voice is anything but great.

@Innagadadavida below
I think I threw up a little in my mouth.

[Innagadadavida]

Gohan's new voice is anything but great.

You're right... It's fantastic.

[MR.Mark]

Gohan's new voice is anything but great.

You're right... It's fantastic.

Right up there as one the best voices in the entire dub, for sure.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

If there's anything worse than dub vs. sub arguments... it's definitely dub vs. dub arguments.

Anyway, damn, Wakamoto's new Cell voice sounds fucking insane at times!

[MR.Mark]

If there's anything worse than dub vs. sub arguments... it's definitely dub vs. dub arguments.

Stan Lee: Nuff said!