Dragonball Kai (FUNimation English) Dub: General Discussion

[penguintruth]

Does anyone have a good clip of Peter Kelamis's Goku? I don't think I've really heard it before. I searched on Youtube but there were only some short parts of fights so I couldn't really hear the ''Goku side'' of him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuViG2-w_To

Kelamis as Goku in movie 2.

But I wasn't even intending to bring up Kelamis. My focus was my dislike of Schemmel's. Frankly, even Kelamis is only marginally better most of the time, except in the movies. His delivery is inconsistent. Sometimes he's really excellent, other times really flat.

[TheGreatness25]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuViG2-w_To

Kelamis as Goku in movie 2.

But I wasn't even intending to bring up Kelamis. My focus was my dislike of Schemmel's. Frankly, even Kelamis is only marginally better most of the time, except in the movies. His delivery is inconsistent. Sometimes he's really excellent, other times really flat.

The delivery also has a lot to do with the directing. Kelamis never saw the anime unfold, he couldn't. So he entrusted the director to instruct him how to deliver the line and what was going on in the scene.

[Mewzard]

I really don't see how Kelamis' voice is any better for Goku than Schemmel's voice, though that's not to say I dislike it. I do like Kelamis' take on Goku (though, I haven't seen Ocean Dub movie 2 in a while). It's just not quite the clicking role. It's like with Superman or Batman, so many people have portrayed the roles, and it's not always the original that is best, but they all can be good in different ways. Each actor brings a little something different to the role.

I do kind of wish they would redub the movies with the Kai method of dubbing. Would be much more enjoyable, really.

[jjgp1112]

Finally got to actually watching Kai Pt. 2. Man, Kai's pacing sucks. It would likely be better if they just reanimated it, but so much shit is awkwardly placed. I mean, you don't just put something like Vegeta escaping the battle in the first 5 minutes of an episode. Or having Vegeta get hit by the spirit bomb and Gohan turning into an ape and crushing Vegeta at the end in the same episode. Ugh. And it's been so long since I've watched Kai, I forgot how much Bulma and Gohan's voices suck. Oh well, it was only 30 bucks, who gives a shit.

[penguintruth]

Yeah, I too hate that Gohan and Bulma have competent voice actors playing them now.

[RazorX]

And his voice is just wrong overall for the character. They need somebody with a lighter voice. Maybe Ocean will get the hint.

Maybe you will find the perfect English voice for Goku in Ocean's dub of DB Kai. I think we can expect something good considering Ocean's track record and the director/voice director's remarks to Kirby Morrow.

The delivery also has a lot to do with the directing. Kelamis never saw the anime unfold, he couldn't. So he entrusted the director to instruct him how to deliver the line and what was going on in the scene.

Peter Kelamis stated in an interview that Ocean's cast watched the Japanese version of DBZ when they were dubbing the first 2 sagas (and probably when they were dubbing the later sagas) so he has seen the original version.

His similarity to Nozawa was too much to be a coincidence. He even said in that same interview that he tried to recreate the original voice.

Oh...oh wow...Muten Roshi...I think I officially found a contender for Worst DBZ Dub Voice Ever to compete with Schemmel's Kaioh...

@_X;

You have got to be joking

[ohaimynameiserik]

Finally got to actually watching Kai Pt. 2. Man, Kai's pacing sucks. It would likely be better if they just reanimated it, but so much shit is awkwardly placed. I mean, you don't just put something like Vegeta escaping the battle in the first 5 minutes of an episode. Or having Vegeta get hit by the spirit bomb and Gohan turning into an ape and crushing Vegeta at the end in the same episode. Ugh. And it's been so long since I've watched Kai, I forgot how much Bulma and Gohan's voices suck. Oh well, it was only 30 bucks, who gives a shit.

Y'know... people wouldn't call nostalgia bullshit on you so often if it wasn't for the coincidence that the only voices you seem to criticize are just the new ones.

[jjgp1112]

Oh yeah, forgot to mention, Schemmel sounds like he's constipated at the beginning of episode 14. Definitely my least favorite screams from him.

[penguintruth]

Oh...oh wow...Muten Roshi...I think I officially found a contender for Worst DBZ Dub Voice Ever to compete with Schemmel's Kaioh...

@_X;

You have got to be joking

I'm not a fan of Klassen's Roshi, either. It sounds like an older Kuririn. It's probably the weakest Roshi outside of the Creative Products Corp dub.

[Super Sonic]

Peter Kelamis stated in an interview that Ocean's cast watched the Japanese version of DBZ when they were dubbing the first 2 sagas (and probably when they were dubbing the later sagas) so he has seen the original version.

His similarity to Nozawa was too much to be a coincidence. He even said in that same interview that he tried to recreate the original voice.

Trying to recreate a voice from another language isn't always a good thing. Remember what happened to that lady on Excel Saga?

What? Sabat is probably the most improved of all the returning voices, and every one of his voices is better than Schemmel's. Except maybe Recoome.

I'm kinda curious on what your thoughts on Recoome's Ocean actor are now, in comparison to Mr. Sabat's take. Myself, I'm more used to Mr. Sabat's but still liked Ocean Recoome back in the day, and still find cool in a bias sense due to his va's most famous role.

[penguintruth]

Trying to recreate a voice from another language isn't always a good thing. Remember what happened to that lady on Excel Saga?

Hey, she was excellent for the half of the show she lasted. And the second one was pretty good, too. But it's more of a testament to just how awesome Kotono Mitsuishi is.

I'm kinda curious on what your thoughts on Recoome's Ocean actor are now, in comparison to Mr. Sabat's take. Myself, I'm more used to Mr. Sabat's but still liked Ocean Recoome back in the day, and still find cool in a bias sense due to his va's most famous role.

Ocean Recoome was like a bad Sylvester Stallone impression. Funimation Recoome sounds, if you'll excuse the term, mentally retarded. Like seriously brain damaged, in an over-the-top DUHR HUHR way. At least Sabat toned it down a little for Kai, but it's still terrible. Neither voice for him is very good. In fact, I don't like the Japanese voice for Recoome in Kai, either. The original Japanese Recoome is the only good Recoome voice.

[Kendamu]

Does anyone have a good clip of Peter Kelamis's Goku? I don't think I've really heard it before. I searched on Youtube but there were only some short parts of fights so I couldn't really hear the ''Goku side'' of him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuViG2-w_To <--- Though they're fight scenes, here's some clips of some of Kelamis' best work as Goku. A lot of the TV series stuff doesn't sound as good presumably because of a different director. I'm just sad that the video I'm linking you to starts just after a very "Goku" moment where you could hear Kelamis say, "He's as soft as a marshmallow!" It would be the proof you'd need that he does a good goofy Goku.

There will always be people out there who will claim that the voices are not good for the role if they do not sound like the original Japanese ones. That is why Peter Kelamis is praised. However, there is no original voice (for the manga)

I like Kelamis because I like Kelamis. Don't try to shove strawman arguments in my mouth. Sure, Kelamis does have that high pitch that's similar to Nozawa and that's great, but I didn't even know what the Japanese version sounded like when I decided that Kelamis was the best Goku.

Peter Kelamis stated in an interview that Ocean's cast watched the Japanese version of DBZ when they were dubbing the first 2 sagas (and probably when they were dubbing the later sagas) so he has seen the original version.

His similarity to Nozawa was too much to be a coincidence. He even said in that same interview that he tried to recreate the original voice.

Trying to recreate a voice from another language isn't always a good thing. Remember what happened to that lady on Excel Saga?

He never said that he tried to recreate the voice.

http://www.animecauldron.com/dbzuncenso ... lamis.html

"I have seen and heard the Japanese version only during recordings of the show. There are times when the producer actually has to check direct translations to see if they make sense. The level and emotion of the original performance is attempted to be re-created but not the voice. If I tried to re-create the original voice I think I would run the risk of hitting a note so high that I may not be able to have children in future life." -- Peter Kelamis

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Oh...oh wow...Muten Roshi...I think I officially found a contender for Worst DBZ Dub Voice Ever to compete with Schemmel's Kaioh...

@_X;

I think that Kame Sen'nin is by far worse than Sean Schemmel's Kaiō. It's a complete miscast. But that's nothing new to the Ocean dub.

[nathantheguitarist]

You do realize that all of the Funi dub voices you favor oh so much started from imitations of the Ocean dub's cast, right? Including Kaio. Ocean/Funi/Saban may have miscast, but it's not like that was rectified by Funi's continuation (that goes for Kai too... which is a shame. But there's new Freeza, Gohan and Bulma, so I'm happy).

[Kendamu]

You do realize that all of the Funi dub voices you favor oh so much started from imitations of the Ocean dub's cast, right? Including Kaio. Ocean/Funi/Saban may have miscast, but it's not like that was rectified by Funi's continuation (that goes for Kai too... which is a shame. But there's new Freeza, Gohan and Bulma, so I'm happy).

The factors of me being used to the voices, the actors that remain getting much better over a decade of work, the script being much more accurate, and most of the voices I disliked the most (or liked the least) being replaced really helped me overcome the miscasting. Sure, I'd like Vegeta to sound a bit more smooth and I'd like Kaio to sound more like the narrator, but all the plus sides to Kai's dub really softens the blow for me!

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

You do realize that all of the Funi dub voices you favor oh so much started from imitations of the Ocean dub's cast, right?

One, I do not like all of FUNimation's voices. Some are good, some are bad. For the most part, the Japanese voices are better. Two, not all of the FUNimation dub voices started out as imitations. All the new characters introduced from the Androids arc onwards, don't have imitated voices. This is why the FUNimation dub voices from that half of the series, are generally liked (Perfect Cell, #17, #18).

[penguintruth]

Yeah, you can't always assume that because somebody dislikes the Ocean voices that they necessarily love the Funimation ones. I fall into that trap, too, and I apologize for it.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

Finally got to actually watching Kai Pt. 2. Man, Kai's pacing sucks. It would likely be better if they just reanimated it, but so much shit is awkwardly placed. I mean, you don't just put something like Vegeta escaping the battle in the first 5 minutes of an episode. Or having Vegeta get hit by the spirit bomb and Gohan turning into an ape and crushing Vegeta at the end in the same episode. Ugh. And it's been so long since I've watched Kai, I forgot how much Bulma and Gohan's voices suck. Oh well, it was only 30 bucks, who gives a shit.

Y'know... people wouldn't call nostalgia bullshit on you so often if it wasn't for the coincidence that the only voices you seem to criticize are just the new ones.

I completely agree. To everyone else, it just seems that you're too attached to the voices you know from the DBZ dub. Especially when you say that the acting of the new voice actors is poor. If you're one to criticise bad acting, how can you even watch the DBZ dub...?

(Also, the replacement voices are all three seasoned anime voice actors, very popular with fans. The old voice actors barely found work outside of DBZ. In fact, aside from Linda Young in Yu Yu Hakusho, I don't remember them in any other anime. Probably because they couldn't act!)

[jjgp1112]

Yup, let's just ignore the fact that I just said Sean Schemmel sounded constipated when he was screaming...or when I said Stephanie Nadolny sucked in Seasons 3 and 4...or when I complained a couple of times (probably in the chat and not on here, though) about how annoying Z Bulma sounds when she's screaming at someone...or some of the various other criticisms I've given to the Z Dub. But yup, I'm too attached to it, obviously - it couldn't POSSIBLY be me just thinking for myself.

[TheGreatness25]

Peter Kelamis stated in an interview that Ocean's cast watched the Japanese version of DBZ when they were dubbing the first 2 sagas (and probably when they were dubbing the later sagas) so he has seen the original version.

That may be true, but that doesn't mean much. The show is not actually playing while recording the voice. I'm sure that they watched it before recording or whatnot, but you can't do that while recording or else you have to wait through the fighting and other characters' dialog before recording more for our character, which takes too much time and is generally not done. So he probably still did the voice pretty much blind because while I know what the show is like, put me in front of a microphone and make me say, "Oh no you don't!" and I will depend on the director to tell me how fast to deliver it, how much emotion to deliver it with, and what it is I'm reacting to in general.

I like Kelamis because I like Kelamis. Don't try to shove strawman arguments in my mouth. Sure, Kelamis does have that high pitch that's similar to Nozawa and that's great, but I didn't even know what the Japanese version sounded like when I decided that Kelamis was the best Goku.

I wasn't trying to do anything, relax. I've heard many people say things like, "Kelamis sounds like the original! So does Drummond's Vegeta when he's yelling! Kuririn's voice also sounds like the original! And so does Gohan! Therefore they're the best versions!" I wasn't specifically aiming my comment at you. And while I do agree that many of the Ocean dub voices were better from the early years (Piccolo, Gohan, any female on the show), it is all rather a matter of opinion and should be kept as such. The argument that a voice is close to the original should not factor in because that doesn't make for a great performance or change one's opinion. Most Kelamis fans are those who have seen him voice Goku as a kid. I am also in the same boat, HOWEVER I think that Ian James Corlett was an even better Goku. I like Schemmel and wish that I could say that I like the guy who voiced the whole thing from A-Z best, but I still think that Ian James Corlett takes the cake. I hated when the change to Kelamis happened. His reactions are awesome. I really wish they released the TV version of Movie 3 because his performance in it is great in my opinion.

But that's all that it is, opinion. And opinion is influenced by feelings, such as nostalgia. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind. I was just trying to insert a joke statement that there is no "original" sounding voice for the series because it was a manga. What is the big deal? lol

All in all, I didn't mean any offense to my comment and if it came off as such, I apologize.