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Re: Ocean Studios' "Dragon Ball Kai" dub seems to be coming...

Post by LeprikanGT » Sat Oct 02, 2010 10:26 pm

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SSJ4_Zankuto wrote:I think its great news that Ocean Studios is dubbing Dragonball Z Kai so I can watch it on my TV screens in the UK instead of using youtube and other video websites to watch it. Dragonball Z Kai would be most likely to air on UK's Nicktoons and I have the feeling that Ocean Studios will stick to Over 9,000 dub line.
Over-done though that line may be, it will be kind of nice to hear Brian Drummond say it again. After that, it needs to die.
Brian Drummond might use Ryuk style voice but if he uses the evil vegeta voice then it will be best to use over 9,000!!!.

I want to english dub to mension Ki instead of energy.
I think most everything would be cleared up if everyone didn't yell out what attacks they were about to do. Thats just plain silly. It's not like yelling the attack name has anything to do with the technique.

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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:19 pm

If FUNimation and Ocean are cooperating, my guess is that the scripts aren't going to be any different. Which is mostly a good thing, though.
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Post by Ussj Future Trunks » Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:19 am

Huh...anyone heard this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIkDTE-yvsk
Dunno if it's old news or not.
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Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Thu Oct 07, 2010 3:22 am

Ussj Future Trunks wrote:Huh...anyone heard this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIkDTE-yvsk
Dunno if it's old news or not.
Yeah, that was what confirmed Ocean dubbing Z Kai.

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Post by Daimo-Rukiri » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:13 am

I dunno I mean we get this crap all the time over radio, I'll take it as a grain of salt until we actually have it confirmed in writing.

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Post by Kendamu » Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:25 am

LeprikanGT wrote:I think most everything would be cleared up if everyone didn't yell out what attacks they were about to do. Thats just plain silly. It's not like yelling the attack name has anything to do with the technique.
After you said this, I went and looked it up. This is the answer I found:

"It's a tradition where it was intended for young audiences to yell the attack names with the character. The tradition began with Mazinger Z, which is considered the first Super Robot anime. The producers of the show felt that if the main character, Kouji Kabuto, shouted out the attack names each time the mecha did them, then it would give the target viewers, who were aged around 3 to 10 at the time, the ability to literally join along in the fun.

The logic behind this is if the kids were to directly interact with a show they already liked, then they'd like it even more and would stick with the show in the long run. Needless to say, the strategy worked, and literally all other mecha anime in the 70's (sans First Gundam in late, late '79) copied the trend.

Thus, the tradition was born and still anime shows, regardless of whether they are mecha themed or not, use it, regardless of their target audience."

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Post by Tsukento » Sat Oct 09, 2010 9:56 am

I think I remember reading in a Dragon Ball-specific issue of Animerica a long time ago where Toriyama had actually thought the whole concept of shouting attack names seemed silly due to the fact that the villains could easily just interrupt right as an attack name's being said or even a pose for it.
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sat Oct 09, 2010 11:00 am

Tsukento wrote:I think I remember reading in a Dragon Ball-specific issue of Animerica a long time ago where Toriyama had actually thought the whole concept of shouting attack names seemed silly due to the fact that the villains could easily just interrupt right as an attack name's being said or even a pose for it.
I would love it if that actually happened in the series.

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Post by Turtle Marked Stone » Sun Oct 10, 2010 12:23 am

Kendamu wrote: it would give the target viewers, who were aged around 3 to 10 at the time, the ability to literally join along in the fun.

Well it works, I know I do tandem Kamehemehas with Goku thank you very much!

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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:44 am

Kendamu wrote:
LeprikanGT wrote:I think most everything would be cleared up if everyone didn't yell out what attacks they were about to do. Thats just plain silly. It's not like yelling the attack name has anything to do with the technique.
After you said this, I went and looked it up. This is the answer I found:

"It's a tradition where it was intended for young audiences to yell the attack names with the character. The tradition began with Mazinger Z, which is considered the first Super Robot anime. The producers of the show felt that if the main character, Kouji Kabuto, shouted out the attack names each time the mecha did them, then it would give the target viewers, who were aged around 3 to 10 at the time, the ability to literally join along in the fun.

The logic behind this is if the kids were to directly interact with a show they already liked, then they'd like it even more and would stick with the show in the long run. Needless to say, the strategy worked, and literally all other mecha anime in the 70's (sans First Gundam in late, late '79) copied the trend.

Thus, the tradition was born and still anime shows, regardless of whether they are mecha themed or not, use it, regardless of their target audience."
Very interesting...I guess I sort of took the shouting of attack names for granted. It just wouldn't seem right to me if they didn't do that.
A "rather haggard" translation of a line from Future Gohan in DBZ, provided to FUNimation by Toei:
"To think of fighting that is this fun...so, it was pleasant fight, as many as, therefore is a feeling which is good the fight where."

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Post by Attitudefan » Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:53 am

Well as I read through the whole thing, I don't understand why Ocean censor many things. Canadian TV is quite lenient with broadcasting, they let any word on air certainly if it's on a Canadian channel such as CBC. I notice that with UK TV as well. This is what boggles my mind; why the hell did Ocean Studios censor DBZ in the first place? Was sit some trend that was continuing from the late 1990's? Really, does that make any sense?

So, if Ocean Studios does handle it, they should be quite lenient on the dub. If I recall the Viz dub of Naruto let swear words go on YTV; Death Note too.

Also people talk about who should be reprising what role but I have to mention the Ginyu Force. FUNimation I think completely screwed it up in Kai. Jeice sounds forced and weird, and Ginyu sounds/reminds me of a bad actor from 4Kids.
Lets go back to Pioneer/FUNi/Ocean, the Ginyu Force was awesome! Scott McNeil if I'm correct voiced Jeice and I don't know who voiced Burter, but that was amazing to listen to, the screams were to notch.

If I could choose the voice cast it would be:

Peter Kelamis as Goku
Scott McNeil for Piccolo
Brian Drummond as Vegeta


I loved watching the Dead Zone movie when I first got it, everything was amazing. FUNi's version was disappointing. I think if Ocean is smart enough, they could be quite successful, with voices and possible merchandise.
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Post by RazorX » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:09 pm

The Ginyu Force in the Ocean dub are awesome, I wouldn't want to change any of them, however Burter might be replaced. Alec Willows voiced him and he didn't seem to be around (for Oolong) when Ocean dubbed episodes 108-276. I heard David Kaye moved to the US so there's a chance Reccomme may get a new voice, which is a shame but I don't doubt Ocean's ability to cast voice actors who can at least equal, if not excell, the original.

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Post by RazorX » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:12 pm

My list of must have returns of the Ocean cast; they cannot be replaced:

Vegeta- Brian Drummond: Blows away all other portrayals of Vegeta, must come back for Kai at any cost.
Piccolo- Scott McNeil: Blows away all other portrayals of Piccolo, must come back for DB Kai at any cost.
Narrator- Doc Harris
Kaio- Don Brown
Hercule- Don Brown
Bulma- Maggie Blue O Hara
Krillin- Terry Klassen
Jeice- Scott McNeil
Majin Buu- Scott McNeil
Kid Gohan- Saffron Henderson
Teenage Gohan- Brad Swaie
Dabura- Scott McNeil
Nappa- Michael Dobson
Cell- Dale Wilson
etc.

Pretty much most of the cast really.


Voices which may be replaced but I'd like the originals to return:

Raditz- Originally Jason Grey Stanford, likely to be replaced


Voices which I wouldn't mind if they were replaced, as long as the replacement is at least as good as the original:

Trunks- Alistair Abell, don't mind him but I'll stick him in this category
Master Roshi- Terry Klassen, don't mind as long as they stick to the route they took with Klassen and Galloway (and not the Corlett, Kelamis, Brown route)

There's more, I might add them later.

As for Goku; Kirby Morrow indicated he might not return due to the director's decision. I have mixed feelings about this but the pressure is on the directors to find someone who is at least as good as Morrow, I think they will.

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Post by Attitudefan » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:39 pm

RazorX wrote: As for Goku; Kirby Morrow indicated he might not return due to the director's decision. I have mixed feelings about this but the pressure is on the directors to find someone who is at least as good as Morrow, I think they will.
Eh, Morrow sucked the sack for Goku; that was great news for me.
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Post by penguintruth » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:52 pm

We really haven't heard anything about the Ocean dub since Kirby Morrow's comments. I wonder what's going on.
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Post by Attitudefan » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:38 pm

penguintruth wrote:We really haven't heard anything about the Ocean dub since Kirby Morrow's comments. I wonder what's going on.
I would love to answer your question but I have no idea....
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Post by dagame10k » Fri Oct 22, 2010 2:54 am

RazorX wrote:As for Goku; Kirby Morrow indicated he might not return due to the director's decision. I have mixed feelings about this but the pressure is on the directors to find someone who is at least as good as Morrow, I think they will.
With every dub there is always pressure to cast the right actors, in their mindset it's not finding someone better than Kirby Morrow, it's finding the right actor who best interprets the character, acts, and best sounds as the character he or she is playing.

Going by Morrows example, I highy doubt any other actor will be handed their previous role without question, there is always someone who could possibly do better, nothing is set in stone, who knows how big a talent pool there is in Vancouver.
penguintruth wrote:penguintruthWe really haven't heard anything about the Ocean dub since Kirby Morrow's comments. I wonder what's going on.
Given that the Westwwod dub suddenly poped up out of nowhere one day in Europe in 2000, with the internet being as rumor crazy today in comparison to how it was then, Ocean is just as quiet as it usually is, I don't think they wanted any info to get out to begin with.
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Post by Adamant » Fri Oct 22, 2010 3:13 am

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Tsukento wrote:I think I remember reading in a Dragon Ball-specific issue of Animerica a long time ago where Toriyama had actually thought the whole concept of shouting attack names seemed silly due to the fact that the villains could easily just interrupt right as an attack name's being said or even a pose for it.
I would love it if that actually happened in the series.
It did happen in the series.

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Post by TheBlackPaladin » Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:37 am

dagame10k wrote:Going by Morrows example, I highy doubt any other actor will be handed their previous role without question, there is always someone who could possibly do better, nothing is set in stone, who knows how big a talent pool there is in Vancouver.
Quite a big one. Vancouver is known as one of the big four cities of English voice acting (the others being New York City, Dallas, and Los Angeles)
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Post by penguintruth » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:57 pm

Funimation's marketing director, Lance Heiskell, said on ANN's ANNCast that he's not aware of any Ocean dub being done for the show.
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