A Hanna-Barbara SF in the new Dead Zone Sub:

[tarsonis]

With the exception of all the sound effects thrown into the dub on the Pioneer release, wasn't that already uncut as far as footage goes?

In any case, it almost seems like people will need both dvds...

The Pioneer release:
Japanese - unaltered
Dub - has original music, but lots of unnecessary sound effects

New dvd:
Japanese - better subtitling than Pioneer, but with one sound effect inserted in
Dub - no inserted sound effects but does not have original music

I think you guys are wigging out about not much.

It might not be a big deal if it is was any other sound in any other scene in the movie, but the sound ruins the dramatic mood that was present there. That, and the Japanese version should not be tampered with whatsoever.

[Dark Vegeta-Sama]

I hope to high heaven this doesn't count as necro-posting, but you were right about the SF!! I just got the redub DVD (so now I have both the new and old DVDs), and the Japanese track has, for reasons beyond my comprehension, been soiled with this "RRrrrr-Bfff!" noise! No, I was not hearing things, if you want proof, compare it for yourself if you can find the older DVD.

Just as a recap, on the Pioneer disc:
JAPANESE-*Thunk*
ENGLISH-*Rrrrr-bfff*

And on the FUNi disc:
JAPANESE-*Rrrr-bfff*
ENGLISH-*Thunk*

So you see, the SFX were actually reversed somehow when they released this redub. HOW the crap could ANYONE be so incompetent as to overlook this when formatting the audio?

At last, another forum member has helped confirm what I brought up back in June, thank you kenisu3000 for going to the trouble of getting the alleged "Ultimate Uncut" version of Dead Zone. Now False Advertisment has truly been commited by FUNi, Ultimate Uncut my ass. EX, I hope you bring this up on the Daizenshuu site, mistake or not FUNi has false advertised and as kenisu3000 said; soiled the Japanese version.

I also got the movie 1 redub DVD, and I too can confirm that the sound effect was added in to the Japanese audio track.

Unbelievable.

[kenisu3000]

Yeah..yeah, this all really sucks....the dvds are crap! (sarcasm)
Has anyone heard the Dragonbox version, or has anyone talked to a FUNi rep. I'm I know this sucks that these DVDs aren't 100% uncut, but we are already missing the next episode stuff...yeah, this is a dissapointment, but you CAN'T DO ANYTHING about this. It's done people. If you really want to make your point then e-mail FUNimation and ASK them if there is a reason for the switch. Did you guys ever think that it might just be a mistake made by FUNi? It happens when you are human. I'm not trying to say the whole thing is irrelevent, but just calm down. What are you guys going to do? Sue FUNimation for "false advertising"? Actually if you want to go into technicallities, "Ultimate Uncut" isn't the same as "Completely Uncut", it just means that it is the best source of uncut DBZ footage in the U.S.

I'm not trying to rain on the party, I'm just trying to looka at this from a non-fan boy perspective. I want my uncut DBZ just as much as you guys do.

Well, the movie DragonBox hasn't come out (in fact it's only just been announced), but even so, I doubt that silly noise would show up in there.
And yeah, that's actually what I'm thinking it is, is a mistake that it showed up there. How else would the SFX be *REVERSED* between the two separate tracks? All I'm wondering is, if it *is* a mistake, how on earth did it happen?? I mean, up till now (I believe) FUNi hasn't really messed with the Japanese audio, they just put it on the DVD. I mean really, why would they even have to *touch* the audio beyond putting it on the DVD (am I making sense)? What I'd give to know the story behind this.
But I'll explain why this is pissing everybody off. We fans of the Japanese version prefer to know what techniques Toei did (in this case, audio-wise) to make these scenes so fantastic, whether it be the few seconds of silence just before Cell shows up in front of Piccolo the first time, or the beauty of the choral piece from Tree of Might when Burdock is killed by Freeza in the first TV special... or even this seemingly (at first glance) trivial sound effect of Gohan dropping to the ground - the THUNK opposed to the RRR-BFF. And now that we know that it's entirely possible for FUNi to make these kinds of errors (if in fact it was a blunder), think of how that's killed our confidence in FUNi's DVDs. People who have no idea about this being the wrong sound effect will watch this DVD and think that the Japanese producers INTENDED it to be comical like that.

[Son Goku]

Has anyone tryed contacting them on this topic?

Hold the phone... I just got an idea! If someone can tape that scene on the Dragonbox version (when it comes out), then tape it on the redub dvd and send it to FUNimation with a letter explaining the tape, we can prove they're selling copys with an edited japanese version!

[lost in thought]

Hold the phone... I just got an idea! If someone can tape that scene on the Dragonbox version (when it comes out), then tape it on the redub dvd and send it to FUNimation with a letter explaining the tape, we can prove they're selling copys with an edited japanese version!

Well, the regular ol' DragonBoxes are available, so if a person were to tape comparison footage, it wouldn't be difficult if they had the box in question, or knew someone who could digitally rip it for them.
(Note: Whats coming out for "DragonBox," is the seperate volumes, Son Goku; not the dragonboxes themselves, as they've been all released now, except the movie box.)

As far as making comparison, and bringing it to their attention, I doubt it would make much difference, if any at all. Think about it this way, they released the movie back in what May? It's been a couple of months now, and they've probably sold a lot of copies, and as well probably authored a lot of available copies, so I really don't see them taking steps to change this, unless it would mean a larger profit margin for the product.

[Conan the SSJ]

The thing is the Japanese version was tampered with, when really there was absolutly NO reason for it to be, and with the conditions present it looks like it was on purpose. I mean let's face it: the Japanese version on the Pioneer dvd didn't have this SF on it and yet it does on the exact same version on the redub dvd. Seriously there's no reason this would of been an accident since FUNi left the audio track in it's original mono raw quality, so there's no reason this completly unneeded sound should be on the Japanese version, and considering the redub's dub didn't insert it, it just goes to show that this was likley on purpose. I agree that FUNi does have a certain degree to their Uncut limit, but as shown in the Pioneer dvd, there should be absolutly NONE of those horrible sound effects in the Japanese version. The dub I guess I could see having some type of sound alterations like the Pioneer dub did since that's FUNi's adaptation, but the Japanese version should remain 100% untouched unless it's getting a stereo remastering, which the redub's Japanese version did not.

The fact is FUNi's "Ultimate Uncut" Uncut dvd's Japanese version of Dead Zone cut out a sound effect and replaced it with another that was never present in the first place, and yet leave the sound alone in their redub's dub which is completly baffling. Now because of this, fans here in the US may never get a fully uncut version of Dead Zone, and why I don't know since the movies are the one thing Toei gives FUNi that are always completly uncut. I hope FUNi just comes forward explaining what happened.

[DBW]

I hope FUNi just comes forward explaining what happened.

LOL, not very likely. In fact, you're not likely to ever get any response from them on this issue. If you do manage to corner some FUNi reps at a convention, they'll probably just give you the old "What the hell are you talking about?" routine.

Honestly, looking at how they recently handled their first Kodocha release, why would they give a rat's ass about this? I 'm not just trying to bash on FUNi here, and maybe I'm just steamed about the whole Kodocha fiasco, but they've been starting to do some stupid things again.

(In case you don't know, they had rights issues with Kodomo no Omocha, and couldn't get permission to use the first theme song. Since the band members actually appear in episodes, they not only had to cut the opening theme and previews, but entire chunks of audio from the episodes. The problem is that FUNi only ever states this *in the audio menu of the disk* so you only find out about all these problems *after buying the DVD* Ugh...)

[Conan the SSJ]

I hope FUNi just comes forward explaining what happened.

LOL, not very likely. In fact, you're not likely to ever get any response from them on this issue. If you do manage to corner some FUNi reps at a convention, they'll probably just give you the old "What the hell are you talking about?" routine.

Honestly, looking at how they recently handled their first Kodocha release, why would they give a rat's ass about this? I 'm not just trying to bash on FUNi here, and maybe I'm just steamed about the whole Kodocha fiasco, but they've been starting to do some stupid things again.

(In case you don't know, they had rights issues with Kodomo no Omocha, and couldn't get permission to use the first theme song. Since the band members actually appear in episodes, they not only had to cut the opening theme and previews, but entire chunks of audio from the episodes. The problem is that FUNi only ever states this *in the audio menu of the disk* so you only find out about all these problems *after buying the DVD* Ugh...)

Okay, Kodocha is a completly different case of circumstances in that FUNi couldn't gain certain rights which is why they had to make certain alterations, but that's a completly different manner as Dead Zone's Japanese version (as we all know) was given to FUNi completly Uncut and looking at the Pioneer sub, they had no reason to screw with the Japanese version. And why you bring up Kodocha when it's circumstances are completly different than Dead Zone I don't know.

[DBW]

And why you bring up Kodocha when it's circumstances are completly different than Dead Zone I don't know.

You said you hope FUNi comes forward and explains what happened. I'm saying that if they weren't willing to be open with the fans concerning HUGE audio issues (such as those in Kodocha), then it's not very likely that they'll give a rat's ass about explaining what happened here. If anything, they'll probably correct this mistake in the middle of the night, then secretly release a fixed version of the DVD sometime down the line (ala Trunks and Freeza DVDs).

[Magnaboss]

And why you bring up Kodocha when it's circumstances are completly different than Dead Zone I don't know.

You said you hope FUNi comes forward and explains what happened. I'm saying that if they weren't willing to be open with the fans concerning HUGE audio issues (such as those in Kodocha), then it's not very likely that they'll give a rat's ass about explaining what happened here. If anything, they'll probably correct this mistake in the middle of the night, then secretly release a fixed version of the DVD sometime down the line (ala Trunks and Freeza DVDs).

The issue was bought up on the AnimeonDVD.com forums, and also at conventions. What would you like for them to do, email every single person in the world?

Anyway, while I'm not an expert on DVD production, I can imagine that any work done on the Japanese track wouldn't have been in an actual audio editing studio (since the dub uses new music and stuff, they'd only be working from an FX track), instead being worked with for translation's sake. If there was one effect, assume, purposley put in, why wasn't the entire soundtrack and effects track changed/laid over?

Anyway, since this is the only forum that's actually found this out and the thing has been out for some time, it's probably best not to get yourself worked up over it, because it's not going to change any time soon, atleast not in this format.

Hold the phone... I just got an idea! If someone can tape that scene on the Dragonbox version (when it comes out), then tape it on the redub dvd and send it to FUNimation with a letter explaining the tape, we can prove they're selling copys with an edited japanese version!

"Thank you for informing us of this issue. We here at FUNimation are dedicated to bringing you only the finest quality blah blahblah blah blah more blah blah blah. However, we are currently dedicating our resources to other projects, so the likelyhood of a replacement isn't near. We thank you for purchasing our products blahblahblah".

People who have no idea about this being the wrong sound effect will watch this DVD and think that the Japanese producers INTENDED it to be comical like that.

Most people aren't going to notice or care, and the ones who do need to realise that the Japanese producers simply intended to get your money one way or another. They're less than holy, you know

[MajinVejitaXV]

The issue was bought up on the AnimeonDVD.com forums, and also at conventions. What would you like for them to do, email every single person in the world?

Anyway, while I'm not an expert on DVD production, I can imagine that any work done on the Japanese track wouldn't have been in an actual audio editing studio (since the dub uses new music and stuff, they'd only be working from an FX track), instead being worked with for translation's sake. If there was one effect, assume, purposley put in, why wasn't the entire soundtrack and effects track changed/laid over?

Anyway, since this is the only forum that's actually found this out and the thing has been out for some time, it's probably best not to get yourself worked up over it, because it's not going to change any time soon, atleast not in this format.

I think it's more a matter of misrepresenting the material. I own the original Pioneer releases, and while I had no intention of buying the new movie discs (yay for bad dubbing! I'll wait and complete my collection of DragonBoxes, kthx), it does kind of make me angry that the one thing that had been released truly uncut of DBZ is now being toyed with. Not enough to take any action, just kinda a "damn those annoying gnats"-type of anger. Moreover, FUNi is forcing these discs from an advertising standpoint as new and uncut, when...well, they're not, and this great new addition only serves to render that claim even more false than it was pre-release.

As far as the mixing of the soundtrack, the addition of one sample would have been extremely painless to add on (play with a digital mixing program like Cool Edit Pro, or whatever Adobe calls it since they bought it and you'll see what I mean), whereas redoing the entire movie would require the soundtrack to be broken into different components (when FUNi seems to receive it only as one mixed master) and would be far more time consuming. Chances are someone in production either messed up and laid the sound effect on both language tracks, or was just dicking around.

Oh well, things never change. FUNi has proven time and time again that their production values aren't very high (Fruits Basket is, and will continue to be, the only series I own that they've released). That's why I stopped bitching and went elsewhere with my money ;p

-Corey

[Rocketman]

You guys make it sound like FUNimation is this "Legion of Doom" organization, dedicated to pissing you off with their mighty ability to change one sound effect! NOOOO!!!

[Magnaboss]

FUNi has proven time and time again that their production values aren't very high

Uh oh a sound effect got changed lets close up shop!!!!!!11!1

[Son Goku]

You guys make it sound like FUNimation is this "Legion of Doom" organization, dedicated to pissing you off with their mighty ability to change one sound effect! NOOOO!!!

The argument isn't so much the change (ok, it sorta is,), it's that they have no right tampering with the japanese version.

Thank god I have the Pioneer release *hugs it* I wasn't going to get it anyways. I already have the japanese version, why would want an english version with crappy music over one with the original?

[tarsonis]

The argument isn't so much the change (ok, it sorta is,), it's that they have no right tampering with the japanese version.

Exactly, it's the principle of the thing.

I wasn't going to get it anyways. I already have the japanese version, why would want an english version with crappy music over one with the original?

Agreed. Also, I like the original voice actors better. Even if the pioneer dub has inserted sounds, I probably would prefer it to the new release. I can't say for sure though as I haven't actually seen the redub yet.

[MajinVejitaXV]

FUNi has proven time and time again that their production values aren't very high

Uh oh a sound effect got changed lets close up shop!!!!!!11!1

Actually, I said that, not Rocketman

Second, I wasn't referring so much to the SFX as the low quality of the majority of their DVD releases that I've seen to this day (people are analyzing said DVD's at AnimeonDVD's R1 forum, I invite you to go read it).

-Corey

P.S. - Yes, let's "close up shop". Since adding a QC part to the process seems to have proven itself too big of a step for FUNi since their first DVD releases...

[Son Goku]

Also, I like the original voice actors better. Even if the pioneer dub has inserted sounds, I probably would prefer it to the new release.

I agree.