A Goku and Gohan What-If

[dbgtFO]

Goku would have killed Cell quicky before he would done anything.

When does Goku ever do that when he could have a good fight out of it.

How can Vegeta go SSJ2 during the Cell Games? He wasn't even a MSSJ (which seems to be a major prerequisite).

Rage over Trunks' death.

Didn't happen the first time, did it? Vegeta and Trunks were far behind Goku and Gohan. If they were MSSJ's, they were very weak ones. Vegeta and Trunks also did not display the "relaxed look" or calm demeanor that Goku and Gohan sported.

It's a what if, so anything goes.
They were MSSJs, and the reason, they didn't have the relaxed look is because, they only used it in battle.
After Gohan turned SSJ 2, Vegeta stayed in MSSJ until Cell blew himself up, without it being troublesome to maintain.

[SonGokuh]

Right... Well, in that case, SSJ2 Vegeta probably would be unable to kill Perfect Cell at full power.

[Rocketman]

Didn't happen the first time, did it?

Gohan was already the SS2 because a toaster was crushed, so there was no room for silly things like a father enraged over his son's death.

Vegeta didn't go Mastered or 2 because he was the Worf, thrown in so we could see how powerful the bad guy is before the hero defeats him. Since Goku fights first, he assumes that role of getting stomped on, leaving Vegeta as the hero to wrap things up.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Gohan was already the SS2 because a toaster was crushed

After he was already on the verge of exploding due to Cell's children beating the crap out of his friends and then the aforementioned toaster being crushed in front of his eyes. Whether or not you have a connection to a dude you know fuck all about, seeing anyone getting killed in cold blood, on top of your friends being tortured and soon-to-be-killed, is going to push you over the edge.

[Daimo-Rukiri]

Here's what I think what would happen.

Son Goku would have defeated Cell at all costs, and unlike Freeza at 100% he knew it was a battle to the death. This time it's to save the planet, he wouldn't risk it or Gohan would have stopped cell before he got to C-18!

Seeing is how the plot runs it's course c-16 & 18 would have been spared as from what I recal 18 was a modified human and 16 loves life.

The buu saga would have still happened but no one would be over obessesed with Mister Satan!

[CatouttaHell]

A) No way, Son Goku would have wanted a fight but he's too nice to let #18 be absorbed.

B) See answer above.

C) He'd kill him, especially since he'd probably teleport to him in the middle of him blowing up islands full of animals and innocent people, making him enraged.

D) Bejita is likely to return to the RoSaT after he comes out in hopes of surpassing Goku. I doubt Son Gohan would train hard anyway as Son Goten became a lazy bum even after Goku hung around for ten straight years. Goku would probably be weaker and wouldn't have ascended to SSjin 3 and seven years later the fate of the world would be completely in the hands of Gotenkusu and Gohan (a scary thought for the DBZverse.)

[Rocketman]

A) No way, Son Goku would have wanted a fight but he's too nice to let #18 be absorbed.

Is he? Is he really?

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

There's a difference between "Freeza, I want to fight you at full power!" and "Cell, I want to fight you at full power! Go ahead and eat that person!"

[Rocketman]

There's a difference between "Freeza, I want to fight you at full power!" and "Cell, I want to fight you at full power! Go ahead and eat that person!"

Is there, once you include things like Goku threatening to kill a god so he could fight Vegeta?

Goku and Vegeta are identical on this.

[Fox666]

Kaioshin had the choice to not stay in the way, also Vegeta would kill the tournament audience...

[Kid Buu]

Didn't Goku spare Vegeta just for a tough fight?

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

There's a difference between "Freeza, I want to fight you at full power!" and "Cell, I want to fight you at full power! Go ahead and eat that person!"

Is there, once you include things like Goku threatening to kill a god so he could fight Vegeta?

Goku and Vegeta are identical on this.

If you think that Goku would have actually killed Kaioshin, you clearly don't know Goku's character.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Didn't Goku spare Vegeta just for a tough fight?

His excuse to Vegeta was that Super Saiyan 3 would've shortened his time on Earth. Although he could've just transformed, beaten Vegeta unconscious and flown to kill Fat Boo with SSj3, without drawing things out (since he later said he could've beat Fat Boo with SSj3). Although I doubt Toriyama had thought up SSj3 at that point. Remember that Goku only said he wanted the younger generation to protect the Earth as an excuse for not killing Boo with SSj3 after the plan to have the boys use Fusion was thought up, and back then Goku said that he was even with Vegeta and considered using Fusion with him.

[CatouttaHell]

There's a difference between "Freeza, I want to fight you at full power!" and "Cell, I want to fight you at full power! Go ahead and eat that person!"

Is there, once you include things like Goku threatening to kill a god so he could fight Vegeta?

Goku and Vegeta are identical on this.

So Goku wouldn't hesitate to start blowing up the audience at the Tenkaichi Budokai if it meant a good fight? Goku wouldn't have actually killed Kaioshin, he merely wanted to scare him out of getting involved so that Bejita wouldn't kill more innocent people or, god-forbid, Kaioshin himself.

Didn't Goku spare Vegeta just for a tough fight?

His excuse to Vegeta was that Super Saiyan 3 would've shortened his time on Earth. Although he could've just transformed, beaten Vegeta unconscious and flown to kill Fat Boo with SSj3, without drawing things out (since he later said he could've beat Fat Boo with SSj3). Although I doubt Toriyama had thought up SSj3 at that point. Remember that Goku only said he wanted the younger generation to protect the Earth as an excuse for not killing Boo with SSj3 after the plan to have the boys use Fusion was thought up, and back then Goku said that he was even with Vegeta and considered using Fusion with him.

I think he was talking about Goku sparring Bejita during their first encounter on Earth, unless I'm wrong.

[Kid Buu]

Yeah, I meant Goku spared Vegeta during the Saiyan Arc.

[Puto]

Sparing someone because he wants a fight != "Go ahead and eat that person." I'm sure that if there was a way for Cell to become perfect without eating #18, and he proposed that way to Gokû, he'd accept in a heartbeat, but I don't think he would have allowed him to absorb #18.

[mAcChaos]

I think Goku would be smart enough to take out Cell. He didn't have the absolute hate for Cell that he had for Freeza, that made him want to crush Freeza at the height of his power so he could bring Freeza down to the ultimate low.

I don't think Vegeta would be able to go SSJ2 from Trunks dying or rage... if I recall, it was the CONTRAST of inner peace to all consuming rage, that awakened Goku and Gohan's SSJ forms. But as Freeza notes, the reason Vegeta never went SSJ was because he is ALWAYS angry, so there is no contrast.

The only way he went SSJ in the first place was by creating a completely opposite contrast; giving up and become mad at HIMSELF.

Also... wouldn't he have gone SSJ2 in the series already if that was the case? He was plenty mad and strong enough probably at that point, if it was the case.

However, if it happened this way, then everybody would have been wiped out in the Buu Saga. It's one of DBZ's little quirks that if everything didn't go just the way they did, everybody would die later, so no matter how bad things get, it's what saves them later on.

[Rocketman]

Also... wouldn't he have gone SSJ2 in the series already if that was the case? He was plenty mad and strong enough probably at that point, if it was the case.

No, because Gohan was already 'the' SS2. If Vegeta had ascended, then he would have to be allowed to do something, and that can't be permitted.

[mAcChaos]

Pft, out of series logic.

[Rocketman]

Pft, out of series logic.

It's pretty much the only reason why Vegeta keeps getting shafted, so yeah.