How strong did the humans get?

[Titan]

I already did and I stand correct.

No you are wrong!Did you forget Goku's gravity room had a pillar on the middle?

[Senzu_Bean]

I already did and I stand correct.

No you wrong!did you forget Goku's gravity room had a pillar on the middle.

What are you talking about? Vegeta always did his gravity training on the gravity room, seen before the 25th TB. Period!

[Titan]

I already did and I stand correct.

No you wrong!did you forget Goku's gravity room had a pillar on the middle.

What are you talking about? Vegeta always did his gravity training on the gravity room, seen before the 25th TB. Period!

The gravity rooms are DIFFFERENT PERIOD!

[Senzu_Bean]

The gravity rooms are DIFFFERENT PERIOD!

Are you just trolling now?

Goku's gravity training was inside the ship. Vegeta's gravity training was a room, inside Bulma's house, seen for the first time before the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai.

[Titan]

The gravity rooms are DIFFFERENT PERIOD!

Are you just trolling now?

Goku's gravity training was inside the ship. Vegeta's gravity training was a room, inside Bulma's house, seen for the first time before the 25th Tenkaichi Budokai.

Are you blind?There is a pillar on the middle in the gravity room vegeta and Goku used first!
The room we see Vegeta training in the 25 BT is different.

http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/2667/106ukv.jpg

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7948/119qcp.jpg

[Senzu_Bean]

And? Vegeta asked for a gravity room, not a spaceship with a gravitational device. They are one and the same.

[Titan]

And? Vegeta asked for a gravity room, not a spaceship with a gravitational device. They are one and the same.

You only deserve lol!It is obvious that the first gravity room is like the one used by Goku and by the way the anime team must be pretty stupid too.
In the second room you adjust the gravity outside and it was built by Bulma not by his father.If you say both gravity rooms are the same you are crazy!The pictures speak louder to anyone who can see.
You are the first person on earth arguing otherwise.

[Senzu_Bean]

The Daizenshuu doesn't agree with you, which pretty much is another way to say you're wrong.

[Titan]

The Daizenshuu doesn't agree with you, which pretty much is another way to say you're wrong.

Daizenshuu has mistakes,the gravity rooms are different.It is pointless to argue.
You are just trolling!

[Senzu_Bean]

The Daizenshuu doesn't agree with you, which pretty much is another way to say you're wrong.

Daizenshuu has mistakes,the gravity rooms are different.It is pointless to argue.

Sorry, but the Daizenshuu is right and you're wrong. Vegeta didn't train in a spaceship for the Artificial Humans.

[Titan]

The Daizenshuu doesn't agree with you, which pretty much is another way to say you're wrong.

Daizenshuu has mistakes,the gravity rooms are different.It is pointless to argue.

Sorry, but the Daizenshuu is right and you're wrong. Vegeta didn't train in a spaceship for the Artificial Humans.

The rooms are different,everyone can see it. You said the rooms were the same.

[Senzu_Bean]

I never said the room 7 years later isn't different on the inside.

[Titan]

I never said the room 7 years later isn't different on the inside.

You just said it was the same room, when i was talking about the pillar inside.
Daizenshuu has mistakes,everyone who looks at the same page sees no difference between Goku and Vegeta gravity room for the android saga.Anyway show me the page in the daizenshuu.

[rereboy]

There is nothing in the manga to suggest that the gravity room used by Vegeta for the training with the androids is in a spaceship.

Since Vegeta never left Earth in the manga on a spaceship like he did in the anime, and since there is nothing in the manga to suggest that Bulma`s father even built another spaceship after the one he built for Goku (Chichi and the others trying to go to Namek in another ship is all filler), it would be pretty silly to build an entire spaceship with a gravity device, instead of a room or a division with a gravity device (in the anime this isn`t a problem because the ship was already built).

I also don`t see why the gravity device should look any different from the one Goku used after so little time had passed. Designs typically don`t change that much over so little time, even if some of the functions (like higher gravity) are different.

However, after 7 or more years, its only normal for the design of the machine and of the division to have changed.

[Titan]

There is nothing in the manga to suggest that the gravity room used by Vegeta for the training with the androids is in a spaceship.

And there isn't anything who says it wasn't,anyway inside it is the same.
But,that wasn't my point.I was saying that the two gravity rooms were different.

Since Vegeta never left Earth in the manga on a spaceship like he did in the anime, and since there is nothing in the manga to suggest that Bulma`s father even built another spaceship after the one he built for Goku (Chichi and the others trying to go to Namek in another ship is all filler), it would be pretty silly to build an entire spaceship with a gravity device, instead of a room or a division with a gravity device (in the anime this isn`t a problem because the ship was already built).

Manga only tell us that Vegeta trains on a gravity room.Considering that Dr.Brief already had a model,it is not silly at all to consider that he used the same model.
Again,i never argued about the spaceship,i was talking all the time about the difference between the two rooms and they are indeed different.

However, after 7 or more years, its only normal for the design of the machine and of the division to have changed.

That doesn't change the fact that inside vegeta's first gravity room was exactly like the one used by Goku.

[Bussani]

That's not the issue,we already explained our different opinions.You find hard to believe some of my points and vice-versa.I'm not seeing nothing productive at this point.

So me replying to you means I "keep coming back" at you or something, but you replying to me doesn't? Feh.

Sometimes you use the manga to say,well we don't see nothing like that in the manga,other times you use the guides to say well,"it's using bukujutsu and lifting those weights at the same time that makes it hard".

I'm not seeing the problem here.

You don't understand my point are you joking?
This all came from we never see anyone using bukujutsu in THE MANGA WHILE TRAINING IN THE GRAVITY CHAMBER,well actually we see vegeta doing it in the anime and it is the logical conclusion to make which invalidates you attempt to say that Goku
couldn't lift that weight while using bukujutsu.

Okay, let me try to put an end to this circular conversation. It was probably a mistake for me to even reply to one of your points in the first place, because it has nothing to do with anything in the end. It doesn't matter how much weight Goku can carry. I think we can at least agree that if you dropped a heavy enough mountain on him, he wouldn't be able to fly under its weight?

Now you came back to the kikoho with another wild theory.Kikoho is not a pushing attack,but a regular ki technique.

"Wild theory"...? It's a kiai attack. They push with a force/shockwave. That's what they do. The whole damn point in them is to blow people away with an invisible wall of ki. And what is a "regular ki technique"? Are you saying ki attacks don't push people? Because they push people all the fricken time.

Yeah i meant 18 tons,but considering Goku's progress under gravity 10 and 100 he should able to lift easily 100 tons around buu's saga.Goku with a BP of 9 millions should be able to handle 10.000 g.
If you can't understand something so simple i'll let someone else to take over.

Well, now you're just making up "shoulds". And then...insulting me for wondering where the numbers you pulled out of your ass came from. Classy.

PS: 200 tons would be like Vegeta's own weight in 3500g.