rereboy wrote:Are you trying to say that its possible for Krillin to have increase his power level to over a million when he was fighting Freeza on Namek...? That is just ridiculous... You can`t be serious...
I, indeed, wasn't serious, but I wouldn't qualify my clam as 'ridiculous' either. Piccolo used a technique that made him 2 or 3 times more powerful of a single attack. One could, therefore, extrapolate Kuririn to use a even more awesome tech that made him 20x for the same purpose. Sure, it is an absurd extrapolation, but it is still possible as
it has no proof of the opposite (no one used scouters). By Devil's Proof, this is a calm I can made. It is no different from your, I think.
Look, lets just stop arguing over that point. The manga were never clear in this aspect so speculating if Kienzan can or not one-hit kill is pointless as we will end up arguing the same points over and over and never get anywhere. If we had to bring the Devils Proof (and we did both, even if just me used the name) it means we just don't have enough ground to stand in. Lets focus in DBM and it over-powered Broly.
rereboy wrote:And no, not any attack would work on Broly. The vast majority of attacks, pretty much all attacks, would fail. Like Salagir said, the attacks wouldn`t hurt him. However, Kienzan is the only attack on DB that is often used and that seems to be effective despite the opponent`s power. Pretty much all the other attacks depended greatly on the opponent`s power for the attack to be effective. Kienzan does not. It seems to be able to cut anything. Therefore, Kienzan doesn`t follow the rules of the other attacks at all. And that special characteristic is enough to make me wonder if it would work on Broly or not, without immediately discarding the idea, like you are doing.
The thing you miss, however, is that Broly invulnerability
has nothing to do with his own power. He is not invulnerable because he is more powerful (even though he frequently would be anyway), but because of his broken Legendary Super Sayajin powers. Remember, Broly started out the fight as about the same power, or, I believe, even weaker then regular SSJ Vegetto. He still doesn't feel any hit. That is why I say Kienzan is no different from any attack in this context (
regardless if you believe it can cut anything). Again, why would cutting properties be any use to 'shock someone out of transformation'. It is just not related at all.
rereboy wrote:So, to me, asking if Kienzan would be effective against Broly in his LSSJ is like asking if the devilmite beam would be effective against Broly in his LSSJ. They are special enough to work... Or maybe not. We just don`t know.
My point we just don't have any reason to believe the Kienzan (and even less the ki sword) would work. It is a ki based attack and it still need to penetrate Broly defenses. I find highly doubtful no one in a universe could use a technique similar to one Kuririn invented to use in someone as dumb as Broly. At last the Devilmite Bean has the excuse of being 'magic', and even then I find doubtful it would work, as it istil have to penetrate Broly 'evil heart' somehow.
rereboy wrote:And of course, we are talking about DBM Broly here. Toei Broly, the one from the movies, if hit with a Kienzan or the Devilmite Beam, would definitely die.
I couldn't care less for Toei Broly, or any of it dumb filler villains.
Senzu_Bean wrote:The Kienzan cut Freeza's tail... and he was distracted. Krillin's punch also damaged Nappa's face... when he was distracted.
Thanks for pointing this out. My stance is that Kienzan can cut anything Kuririn can normally damage. Since Kuririn is actually a pretty strong guy this does mean the kienzan can cut through almost anything. Naturally, I have no proof or whatever (as this wasn't elaborated in the manga). Just a personal opinion. Lets stop arguing over it.
.
