Dragonball Kai (FUNimation English) Dub: General Discussion

[KaiserNeko]

The thing I don't get is, if I am not going to even bother to pay attention to the Ad why should I even bother to sit through it then? Is it benefiting me? No. Is it benefiting the advertiser? No. Okay if the air the ad Nicktoons will still get money, I think. But really what's the point? I feel like I have a hole in my pocket, and you guys are defending the big guys (CEO's that are overpaid ). That's going a little off topic and I don't care to watch ads. Now, Youtube ads are even worse, the person who has the video isn't even making money most of the time.... yeah, that's fair.

Like I said before, here we small guys are, always paying for the big boys, yet you guys are defending them?!? I don't get it?

Bu please, lets focus back to the topic.

EVERY TIME THE ADS PLAY THEY GET REVENUE. IF THE ADS DON'T PLAY, THEY GET NOTHING.

And YES! Yes I'm defending their use of ads! They're GIVING US FREE MEDIA. They have GOT to pay for it somehow. You're not even obligated to give them your money here.

If everyone starts blocking these ads, they'll take the episodes off the internet. Then you won't have a choice but to either buy the DVDs or pirate them.

[TripleRach]

I don't think it's entirely fair to compare the issue to piracy, because blocking ads isn't illegal, and I don't believe Nicktoons has any policy against people who install ad-blocker software.

But KaiserNeko does have a point. You are depriving the content provider of potential profit, and if companies decide ad-supported streams aren't profitable, then that business model won't last.

As it stands, however, people do have the right to decide whether or not they want to block ads. If you really don't care that the ads are what pay for the streams in the first place, that's your prerogative, and you're not breaking any laws.

I think everyone probably knows the facts by now, so we should leave the debate at that.

[KaiserNeko]

I don't think it's entirely fair to compare the issue to piracy, because blocking ads isn't illegal, and I don't believe Nicktoons has any policy against people who install ad-blocker software.

Well, it's not a legal issue, it's a moral issue.

[Attitudefan]

(Removed by myself)

About the moral thing, is it moral to bombard a community with flashing ads everywhere just to gain a buck?

[Great Saiyaman I]

(Removed by myself)

About the moral thing, is it moral to bombard a community with flashing ads everywhere just to gain a buck?

As in the person who owns the community and pays to run it? Yes.

[Attitudefan]

But don't you just hate ads? Even when you watch TV or something on the Internet pops up into your face? I know I do.

[batistabus]

I think just streaming entire episodes for free at the price of watching a few ads isn't enough! They should be mailing the DVDs to us for free! They're all rich anyway...those greedy assholes. It's only fair that we get it without paying. It's our right...who are they to put limits on who does and doesn't get to enjoy DBZ in the comfort of their own home? In fact, commercials should just be discontinued in general. It's all about the art anyway; the creators just want to get their vision out.

Seriously...what reason would they have to put them on there for free? Do you think they just love DB and want to share it with the world? They have to make money, especially since they're plainly showing entire episodes for free. And you don't watch the ads? In you're entire life, you've never said "Oh, I want that!" and then received/purchased it later? That's how it works. If you wanna close your eyes and mutter "Na-na-na I'm not listening!" while they're playing, that's your choice. But they're making money and often advertise for themselves. To expect anything less is Utopian.

And yes, I hate popups. But I hate paying for things more (or not having access to the product at all). If I have the opportunity to exchange one for the other, that sounds like a pretty good deal to me.

[Piccolo Daimao]

But don't you just hate ads? Even when you watch TV or something on the Internet pops up into your face? I know I do.

But the point is that you're depriving them of the profit needed to continue airing the show you're watching in the first place.

And I think moral's the wrong word. Someone's not immoral if they don't want to watch ads and choose to block them. Someone's immoral if they rape, cheat, abuse, murder, etc. I think the right word's selfish. You're going to use an adblocker because you can't be arsed to watch ads and don't care if they may lose profit to air the show as a result.

But at the end of the day, no matter how many people complain about it, they still have the free will to block ads if they want.

[jjgp1112]

The problem with this is that it's a slippery slope. Obviously not everybody viewing these streams uses AdBlock. I'm pretty sure only a small minority of users viewing them actually know the damn thing exists, so I don't see the harm in me, a single user, using it for my personal preferences. You can talk to me about all of the moral problems involved with me using AdBlock, but well, not a single shit will be given from me.

[Piccolo Daimao]

The problem with this is that it's a slippery slope. Obviously not everybody viewing these streams uses AdBlock. I'm pretty sure only a small minority of users viewing them actually know the damn thing exists, so I don't see the harm in me, a single user, using it for my personal preferences. You can talk to me about all of the moral problems involved with me using AdBlock, but well, not a single shit will be given from me.

There are probably a lot of other people who have that same mindset. "I'm just one person, it's not as if everyone's doing it, so they won't lose profit." It's sort of like litter. It's wrong, but people think that just dropping an empty crisps packet on the ground won't do much harm. But when a big group of people do it...

But, you know, it is human nature to just not give a shit and go through with it anyway, due to lack of impatience.

But we should end this debate here. There's no use going around in circles.

[Kaboom]

Ads are fine in moderate, necessary amounts. I'll gladly just mute my computer's volume for a minute to let one play before an episode, and do the same for a mid-episode "intermission" ad.

Bombarding people with ad after ad after ad to the point where there's more ad content than video content, however, is not fine. FUNi doesn't do that, but other sites like Justin.TV do quite a lot recently. There's ads playing before the stream, there's craptons of banner ads all over the page, there's flash popup ads taking up the bottom 13 of the screen DURING the video, there's ads that replay when I open a popout player window...

[Piccolo Daimao]

Bombarding people with ad after ad after ad to the point where there's more ad content than video content, is not fine. FUNi doesn't do that, but other sites like Justin.TV do recently. There's ads playing before the stream, there's craptons of banner ads all over the page, there's flash popup ads taking up the bottom 13 of the screen DURING the video, there's ads that replay when I open a popout player window...

Using an adblocker for that is acceptable.

[Kaboom]

Using an adblocker for that is acceptable.

Not just acceptable, but a given. At that point, I don't care about them making money. I'm just all like, "screw you, get outta my face."

[Piccolo Daimao]

Using an adblocker for that is acceptable.

Not just acceptable, but a given. At that point, I don't care about them making money. I'm just all like, "screw you, get outta my face."

Yeah, I agree. If someone's going to clutter up my screen with multiple ads, flashing ones that distract me, or while I'm watching the show, then I'd use an adblocker too.

[MetaMoss]

But don't you just hate ads? Even when you watch TV or something on the Internet pops up into your face? I know I do.

I hate it, but I also accept that its the way to pay the bills. This stuff don't come free. Like, for example, in the UK, the government has a mandatory tax to fund the BBC. The upside: No commercials (except maybe for other BBC shows). The Downside: everybody in the country who has a TV gotta pay for it. Even those who don't watch it. If you hate commercials, change the channel, or for streaming ads, be like me and go get a snack or something.

[Big Momma]

Not counting extreme cases like Kaboom brought up [and, that's no exaggeration...live~streaming sites in general are baaad lately], the whole "the sites make money off of it" deal doesn't even bother me anymore. I'm more surprised that people can't sit through a thirty second ad every 5 or ten minutes. Are you kidding me? As said before, you don't even have to watch it, just let the thing play on mute or something.

[Cipher]

I remember back in the day, we had this thing called television. If you wanted more programming, you had to pay for it. And you didn't get to choose what played when either. Oh, and there was a whoooole mess of ads. Sometimes there'd be three or four commercials in the middle of a show, right in a row! Before and after too! You couldn't skip or fast-forward or anything!

Whoo boy, it was a mess.

[DemonRin]

I watch the ads every time for not only DBK on Nicktoons, but any other streaming thing I watch like the One Piece simulcast.

Nicktoons didn't have to put this video up for us, and FUNi and Toei didn't have to stream One Piece for us One hour after the Japanese broadcast. But they did, so they deserve money for that.

Now, I'm not gonna BUY any of this stuff, and I think that "Monster High" thing Nicktoons was promoting a while back is so incredibly annoying I had to mute it! (I mean seriously, "Frankie Stein"?! Uugh...) but I let it play all the same.

The only thing I don't like about the ads is when they play the same one multiple times. Most of these streams do more than one ad in an ep, you usually get one in the beginning, one at the mid-way point, and one at the end. Sometimes, it's the same Ad all 3 times. I mean, I've seen multiple different ads play on these things, Nicktoons regularly has like 5 different toy companies selling things and at least 3-4 shows they want to promote, can't we see 3 different ads per episode? I didn't want to watch "Monster High" the first time I saw the ad 10 minutes ago, and I still don't want to watch it now.

But even though that bit annoys me, I Watch them (sometimes muted) every single time. Because I would rather they get paid than to have to worry about Nick deciding the Stream isn't work it and stopping it. I mean, isn't that the situation that's got us worried about the Boo Saga in Kai? Toei might not believe it's profitable enough to continue, and if that happens, they just won't.

Same deal here.

[Mewzard]

I don't know if anyone saw this (a few months old), but here was the DBZ Kai Panel at ComicCon 2010:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtZTqFiXl7E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZaZME9uxXU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epdE9OhE3wk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdRTyWhlXtc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3GALPkQiw8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv79933Ps0k

I always think it's interesting to see what the people behind a series or dub think on some matters. My favorite quote this far (still watching) was:

"What Dragon Ball Z Kai does, it proves that if you leave it the f alone, you can have an awesome good show in America. *insert applause*" -Sean Schemmel

And watching ads are good to pay for shows, without spending money if you can't.

[Turtle Marked Stone]

I'm kinda curious how fans of the old dub are feeling about the two big names of stateside DBZ pretty much denouncing that version of the show every time they speak about DB nowadays. (This isn't meant to be read in a "HEH, DUBBIES :SMUGGO" sort of way for the record, I'm honestly curious about how you guys feel about it.)