Z Kai Ginyu Force

[songohan619]

What are your opinions on FUNimations Kai Ginyu Force?

Mine are:

Ginyu:A good replacement for Brice Armstrong, but sometimes he sounds to weak and light.

Recoome:Chris Sabat has improved his Recoome, but i still think that Recoome sounds to stupid for a member of the Ginyu Force. Certently, Captain Ginyu must have SOME standards?

Burter:Great Voice Actor, Great Voice for Burter, just Great. Seriously, though. Vic does a great job of improving Chris Sabats Burter.

Jeice:I didn`t think anything could surpass Chris Sabat`s funny, but very fitting voice for Jeice, but boy, was i wrong. The new voice sounds much better, and that says a lot, when Chris Sabat allready was awsome as Jeice.

Guldo:Not a big change, but i think he sounds to much like Sean Schemmel`s King Kai now. Even so, the voice is much more fitting for Guldo than Kaio Sama.

What is your opinion?

[penguintruth]

I didn't like Jees' new voice for a while, but hearing it again on the Blu-Ray made me appreciate it a little more. Though to be honest, it would have been good to have a Jees without any sort of accent at all.

Greg Ayres' Gurd was excellent. Really brought out that sort of awkward loser quality of the character, emphasizing that even though he's part of the team, he's kind of their loser.

Vic Mignogna's Baata sounds pretty much like any other person who's played Baata in English. Sort of distorted and character voice-ish, but eh, it's just Baata.

Chris Sabat still sounds brain damaged as Rikuum. I know he toned it down a little, but he needed to get rid of the herp derp completely. It's embarrassing to watch the show when he's in the role, making those episodes with him in it make me want to switch back to the Japanese track.

R. Bruce Elliot's Ginyu, like the new Jees, was something I didn't appreciate that much until I relistened. I miss Brice Armstrong, but to be honest, Elliot does just about as good a job.

[songohan619]

I didn't like Jees' new voice for a while, but hearing it again on the Blu-Ray made me appreciate it a little more. Though to be honest, it would have been good to have a Jees without any sort of accent at all.

Greg Ayres' Gurd was excellent. Really brought out that sort of awkward loser quality of the character, emphasizing that even though he's part of the team, he's kind of their loser.

Vic Mignogna's Baata sounds pretty much like any other person who's played Baata in English. Sort of distorted and character voice-ish, but eh, it's just Baata.

Chris Sabat still sounds brain damaged as Rikuum. I know he toned it down a little, but he needed to get rid of the herp derp completely. It's embarrassing to watch the show when he's in the role, making those episodes with him in it make me want to switch back to the Japanese track.

R. Bruce Elliot's Ginyu, like the new Jees, was something I didn't appreciate that much until I relistened. I miss Brice Armstrong, but to be honest, Elliot does just about as good a job.

I agree with with Ginyu, Jeice, Recoome and Guldo, but i don`t think Vic`s Burter is that bad.

[Gaffer Tape]

I didn't like Jees' new voice for a while, but hearing it again on the Blu-Ray made me appreciate it a little more. Though to be honest, it would have been good to have a Jees without any sort of accent at all.

There's no such thing as "no accent." That's the reason I never really mind if they throw a dialect onto a character, because, honestly, they have to talk like something. "American" is just as much an accent as "Australian" and both make about as much sense for an alien to be talking (as well as any dialect of "Japanese" for that matter). As long as the actor pulls it off, that's something I can accept. For example, I don't remember anyone giving Paul Dobson's Zarbon a hard time back in the day because it was a good voice, and he played the character well. All that said, I admit I actually haven't heard any of the Ginyu's new voices, in either version of Kai, so I really have no idea if Space Aus Jheese 2.0 is any good or not.

[songohan619]

All that said, I admit I actually haven't heard any of the Ginyu's new voices, in either version of Kai, so I really have no idea if Space Aus Jheese 2.0 is any good or not.

I really recommend you to give the Z Kai Ginyu Force crew a shot. They really are good.

[xzero]

Ginyu: Not bad. I prefered the characterization in the Orange Brick and DBox sets, but pretty good.

Guldo: One of the funniest things for me was his "Shiiiiiit!" reaction in the DVD version. Guldo is Guldo, and the performances are all pretty close, but the DVD Kai one's funny.

Recoome: Not bad; I noticed that even on the DVD version, he swears less than in the DBox version. Not my favorite, and he probably would sound better with a voice slightly closer to Major Armstrong in FMA, but I'm okay with this one.

Burter: He's sort of unimportant in my view, so much so that I can't really even remember his new performances. If I can't remember it, that means it probably fit well enough.

Jeice: See, here's the one I had a problem with in Kai. I really liked the Australian accent. Don't ask why, I don't know. I just did. I think the new voice is too raspy, and I really would have preferred if Sabat voiced the character again. Actually, Jeice is the only voice replacement I genuinely didn't like in Kai.

[songohan619]

Ginyu: Not bad. I prefered the characterization in the Orange Brick and DBox sets, but pretty good.

Guldo: One of the funniest things for me was his "Shiiiiiit!" reaction in the DVD version. Guldo is Guldo, and the performances are all pretty close, but the DVD Kai one's funny.

Recoome: Not bad; I noticed that even on the DVD version, he swears less than in the DBox version. Not my favorite, and he probably would sound better with a voice slightly closer to Major Armstrong in FMA, but I'm okay with this one.

Burter: He's sort of unimportant in my view, so much so that I can't really even remember his new performances. If I can't remember it, that means it probably fit well enough.

Jeice: See, here's the one I had a problem with in Kai. I really liked the Australian accent. Don't ask why, I don't know. I just did. I think the new voice is too raspy, and I really would have preferred if Sabat voiced the character again. Actually, Jeice is the only voice replacement I genuinely didn't like in Kai.

Well, Jeice does have an Australian acsent in Z Kai.

[penguintruth]

I didn't like Jees' new voice for a while, but hearing it again on the Blu-Ray made me appreciate it a little more. Though to be honest, it would have been good to have a Jees without any sort of accent at all.

There's no such thing as "no accent." That's the reason I never really mind if they throw a dialect onto a character, because, honestly, they have to talk like something. "American" is just as much an accent as "Australian" and both make about as much sense for an alien to be talking (as well as any dialect of "Japanese" for that matter). As long as the actor pulls it off, that's something I can accept. For example, I don't remember anyone giving Paul Dobson's Zarbon a hard time back in the day because it was a good voice, and he played the character well. All that said, I admit I actually haven't heard any of the Ginyu's new voices, in either version of Kai, so I really have no idea if Space Aus Jheese 2.0 is any good or not.

What I meant is, without an obvious, unnatural put-on accent from a VA who doesn't have that accent.

Also, Jees seems to have sort of a Scottish accent in Kai.

[Turtle Marked Stone]

I didn't like Jees' new voice for a while, but hearing it again on the Blu-Ray made me appreciate it a little more. Though to be honest, it would have been good to have a Jees without any sort of accent at all.

There's no such thing as "no accent." That's the reason I never really mind if they throw a dialect onto a character, because, honestly, they have to talk like something. "American" is just as much an accent as "Australian" and both make about as much sense for an alien to be talking (as well as any dialect of "Japanese" for that matter). As long as the actor pulls it off, that's something I can accept. For example, I don't remember anyone giving Paul Dobson's Zarbon a hard time back in the day because it was a good voice, and he played the character well. All that said, I admit I actually haven't heard any of the Ginyu's new voices, in either version of Kai, so I really have no idea if Space Aus Jheese 2.0 is any good or not.

If everyone is recording with English accents and you toss in a character that has a different accent it's just refereed to shorthand as "an accent" is sounds like you're playing semantics. It doesn't matter what language they're speaking so long as the majority of the characters your with speak the same, any variants on the tone of that language is an accent. Is it realistic that even aliens share the same accent as our Earthling protagonists? No, but neither is the fact that most aliens are bipedal humanoids it's just one of those in universe things you accept and move on from. It's not even like Funimation took any of this into consideration when slapping an accent on Jheese. It was more "How can Sabat add variety to the 55th role we've given him?" Thus ends the spergiest paragraph I have literally ever written in my life.

On the subject of the accent itself, I guess it's frustrating for me because that was only there in the first place because Sabat was doing a huge amount of characters and tossing an accent on is a very quick way to just give someone a voice. It's another one of those obnoxious carry overs that bug me. I wouldn't even mind as much if there was some vague reason he had an Australian accent. Red being a short orange haired dude having an Irish accent, General White fighting in a snowy area being Russian, Ninja Purple having an Asian accent. It's silly but at least there's some form of reason there. What about his personality or appearance says "Australian"?

[T Pac]

I never minded the accent itself. The allusions to dingos and barbies I could do without.

[Gaffer Tape]

If everyone is recording with English accents and you toss in a character that has a different accent it's just refereed to shorthand as "an accent" is sounds like you're playing semantics.

No, it's not semantics. As someone who has spent some time studying dialects, it is a pet peeve of mine when people assume dialects are any way of speaking that isn't their own. And I find it's usually this kind of mentality that bleeds into discussions like this, and it seems to cloud what real issue there may be with the vocal performance. Like I said before, I just don't see any logic in complaining about a character simply having a dialect when every character has a dialect. If you feel that, specifically, an Australian dialect doesn't fit Jheese (for whatever personal reason you feel that way), fine. But saying that Jheese shouldn't have an Austrailian dialect because he should sound "American" makes about as much sense as people who threw up their arms because Justin Chatwin wasn't Asian. Besides, penguintruth just said that Aus Jheese annoys him because the accent is done poorly. It's like I said before: I don't usually hear anyone criticizing Paul Dobson for giving Zarbon a dialect because he did it well. So the issue doesn't even seem to be about dialects. It seems to be about level of performance or skill in doing said dialect.

It doesn't matter what language they're speaking so long as the majority of the characters your with speak the same, any variants on the tone of that language is an accent. Is it realistic that even aliens share the same accent as our Earthling protagonists? No, but neither is the fact that most aliens are bipedal humanoids it's just one of those in universe things you accept and move on from.

And now I'm confused. Isn't that just what I was arguing in the post you were replying to? The premise that you can just "accept things and move on"? For me, aliens speaking any kind of human dialect is one of those things in which I can very easily "accept and move on" because there's no other way to have an alien speak in a human-made show than to have it speak like a human. In fact, one could go so far as to argue in the opposite direction and say that aliens in an American cast would be more suited to having non-American dialects, as that would be more "foreign" to the audience. That's not necessarily what I'm arguing. I'm just throwing that out there for something to think about. So I'm not sure what you're getting at.

It's not even like Funimation took any of this into consideration when slapping an accent on Jheese. It was more "How can Sabat add variety to the 55th role we've given him?"

Actually, I'd say it was more like, "How do we get Chris Sabat to sound like Scott McNeil's version of Jheese?" except that they didn't realize that McNeil's Jheese was British.

Thus ends the spergiest paragraph I have literally ever written in my life.

And I'm afraid I don't know what "spergiest" means. Sorry.

On the subject of the accent itself, I guess it's frustrating for me because that was only there in the first place because Sabat was doing a huge amount of characters and tossing an accent on is a very quick way to just give someone a voice. It's another one of those obnoxious carry overs that bug me. I wouldn't even mind as much if there was some vague reason he had an Australian accent. Red being a short orange haired dude having an Irish accent, General White fighting in a snowy area being Russian, Ninja Purple having an Asian accent. It's silly but at least there's some form of reason there. What about his personality or appearance says "Australian"?

To be honest, I find those examples much more offensive than Jheese, because those are blatantly not even trying to create a character. They're just making an ethnic stereotype and casting solely on physical appearance. Not that I'm trying to say Space Aus Jheese had any more thought to it, but I can't imagine much thought went into, "Gee, he looks burly and lives in a snowy area. So his character is now Yakov Smirnoff. Moving on..."

I never minded the accent itself. The allusions to dingos and barbies I could do without.

Agreed. If there's a strong reason to complain, that's it. Giving Jheese an Australian-sounding dialect I can live with. Making it obvious that they thought of him an actual Australian person is a whole other can of worms.

[Turtle Marked Stone]

(I'm numbering these for convenience not to be a dick.)

1. I’m fully aware of the fact that everyone has an accent. You’ve touched upon it when you said “If you feel that, specifically, an Australian dialect doesn't fit Jheese”. I’m not some angry AMMMUUURICAN I can just think of 100 better voices that fit Jheese rather than “Hey Sabat put on your Yamcha voice and then toss on a bad Australian accent over it”. It was only there in the first place because of a small voice acting pool to pull from and they were in danger of reusing voices by accident. That isn’t an issue anymore. This new guys voice is bad for Jheese to begin with in my opinion and he (again) tosses a poorly done accent over it, one that didn’t need to be there. The performance suffers because of it and I think the performance would have been poor enough alone. People are now saying “Scottish” I guess? I fully think he was attempting to do Australian but it’s really just bad.

2. I don’t know either, fuck this point.

3. Regardless, I can only assume the shitty small voice actor pool was the issue in both cases. It was a poorly done accent tossed on a preexisting voice because while the VA pool was larger than what Funi had to work with it was still fairly humble.

4. Mind numbingly obsessive over the tiniest insignificant shit and refusing to let it go and being as social retarded as possible, much like this entire post.

5. Yeah no doubt, all I was saying was I can just see why they were there. I can see the reasoning behind their existence, something I can’t do with Jheese. Why not give him a Russian accent? Why not a Mexican accent? It all seems just as random. I just don’t see why they picked Australian or what it had to do with who he was, his back story or his mannerisms.

(TFS jokes, why did it have to be TFS jokes!?)

[songohan619]

Please, discuss accents another place, we are discussing the ginyu force`s new voices here.

[Turtle Marked Stone]

Yes Jheese and his voice clearly aren't allowed in a thread such as this, I'm very sorry.

Edit: Seriously though I think this is a relevant and interesting discussion and adds a lot more then making one sentence opinions on each of the voices. Then again whatever if a mod wants to step in and tell me it's irrelevant or if Gaffer wants to take it elsewhere I won't argue.

[Vagrant]

Jheese talks about dingos and barbeques because it's quite clear that he's not an alien, but actually human. Only an Australian would be that manly to go romping around in space in an interspecies dance troupe.

Honestly though, the voice isn't very good. If people want good accents surely there must be voice actors who actually have that accent as their natural speech, or at least solidly in their repertoire. It's particularly noticable to me given that I am Australian and can barely stand his idle chatter.

[linkdude20002001]

Gi'nyu: A bit more youthful than Armstrong, which isn't really a good thing or a bad thing. I like it. It's certainly in-character and well acted.

Ghurd: Love it! The talking-with-a-mouthful-of spit sound is a little bit irritating (and sounds like Schemmel's Kaio), but the voice is so amazing that I forgive it completely. I just wish he'd not die so quickly...

Jheese: Just as poorly done as Sabat's Jheese...I think. Maybe I just need to hear it some more.

Butta: Not much of a character. Voice is just fine.

ReaCoom: REALLY brings down the show. I'd rather Sabat kept his role as Jheese or reclaim (?) his role as Butta. T_T

[Son Satan]

Ginyu- Elliot does an amazing job, and definitely gives new energy to the Captian. Armstrong always came off as a voice based on appearances, like a "strong bad guy" voice mixed with a "gruff leader" voice.

Guldo- Greg Ayres annoyed me here until he started yelling and fighting, where he blew me away. When he narrowly misses Krillin and Gohan's attack, and when he mocks them made me smile.

Recoome- His IQ just shot up to over 20. While he doesn't sound like he's actually retarded, he sounds like he was dropped on his head and ate paint chips as a child. If Sabat didn't slur and hold things out, I wouldn't mind.

Jeice- Great. While the accent is still obviously put on, it's not ridiculously over the top like Sabat's. Somehow Scottish Jeice is better than Aussie Jeice. Points because he doesn't put pain on the barbie now.

Burter- Dub Burter is what it is.

[MR.Mark]

Ginyu: Never cared for Armstrong, to old sounding and scratchy. the Kai version fits the character well enough, I like him.

Jheese: Complaints for this voice are exaggerated, the inconsistent accent is a minor nitpick at best. The voice itself is probably the best English voice the character ever had. Having a high pitch Malcolm Mcdowell type edge to it that I love. It certainly beats the Japanese Kai voice for Jheese.

ReaCoom: GROSSLY exaggerated complaints about this voice, it fits the character just fine. ReaCoom is nothing more than a space jock and the voice shows that well to me. Heads and shoulders more memorable than the Japanese Kai voice.

Ghurd: Awesome.

Butta: Hard to screw up this voice, he's fine, Butta makes ReaCoom seem like a 3 dimensional character.

[KaiserNeko]

From my favorite to least favorite:

Gurd: Absolutely love it. Fits Guldo from head to toe character-wise and visually.

Ginyu: I was originally hoping for something more along the lines of Ocean's Richard Newman, but I really do enjoy R. Bruce Elliot.

Baata: Eh, not much to say about it. Well acted on the part of mister Mignogna. A little stereotypical, but there's not a great amount TO Burter.

Jheese: Ugh, the accent is distracting. Not to mention there are just times when he sounds flat out annoying, not to mention poorly acted from time to time. Which is sad because I've heard Liebrect is a good actor.

Reacoom: No. Look, I know some people feel that this suits his character, but they don't understand that Reacoom ISN'T that stupid. Yes, he's a brute, but he's also pretty well traveled. Sabat sounds flat out wrong for this character. A much better choice was David Kaye, even if he did have a habit of making him sound like Stallone from time to time.

[Codarik]

I have no problems with the Z Kai Ginyu Force cast, but I do miss Armstrong as Ginyu.