How Kai should have been done.

[Scarz]

Why is it in the style everything DBZ related is drawn nowadays instead of the style Toriyama used for that portion of the comic? If DBZ were completely reanimated I'd want it to match whatever style Toriyama used for the corresponding chapter from the comic instead of just using his end of DBZ style for the whole thing.

Well, in all honestly, even Toriyama draws everything now with the new style. Since the anime was originally emulating his style at the time in the manga, it created some interesting inconsistencies as the series progressed. I'd rather have a consistent style if they were to reanimate it from scratch.

You're right about the way Toriyama DB characters look nowadays but to have things drawn in they way they were from the earlier chapters of the comic is more of a personal choice. I liked, nay, I loved the old school Dragonball (through early Z era) style. I hated those triangle eyes and muscles that looked liked they slapped onto the body like round bricks when the cell saga came rolling around.

But you might be wrong about they draws everything now. After looking at a few drawing Toriyama did recently (i.e. Naruto 10 anniversary sketch poster thingy) he seemed to toned down the angular look and gone with more rounded features.

Re-animating DB Kai to look like the recent sharp style (Like Gogeta jr.'s) would be swell and all. In fact it would've been very impressive but I have to agree with Taku128, if they had to reanimate the old episodes of Dragonball Z I would prefer if the animators kept drew it close to the original style from the comic.

[Khalid Shahin]

Re-animating DB Kai to look like the recent sharp style (Like Gogeta jr.'s) would be swell and all. In fact it would've been very impressive but I have to agree with Taku128, if they had to reanimate the old episodes of Dragonball Z I would prefer if the animators kept drew it close to the original style from the comic.

I HATE the style that Gogeta Jr./Kai Intro/Kai Eyecatches uses. Their hair looks like plastic. The sharp style isn't so bad, but when it is done the way as the Kai Intro it become terrible. I know they could do a new style and look a lot better than that. All the styles used in the original anime are all good enough, but I wouldn't mind a reanimated DB anime in ten years as long as it doesn't look like that Kai Intro crap. On a similar note, my favorite style used in the anime was the one used at the beginning of Z.

[Big Momma]

Oh, Kunzait. You and your violence!

[Innagadadavida]

Not that GogetaJr.'s fan art is any better than some of the worst looking Kai redrawings.

Woah woah woah, hold the phone. Did you just seriously say that?

Even if you don't like the style you simply can not deny the level of skill and effort put into his drawings. As opposed to awful out-of-place tracings.

EDIT: I remember when this fan-art was first posted it was a video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1D_J71OZwY

[JulieYBM]

Not that GogetaJr.'s fan art is any better than some of the worst looking Kai redrawings.

Woah woah woah, hold the phone. Did you just seriously say that?

Even if you don't like the style you simply can not deny the level of skill and effort put into his drawings. As opposed to awful out-of-place tracings.

EDIT: I remember when this fan-art was first posted it was a video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1D_J71OZwY

I never said his work lacked skill or effort, I simply asserted it was no better than the worse stuff Toei was putting out officially. For all the wonderful effort he placed into the animation it is still far from being good enough for broadcast.


Than again I could say the same about a number of Kai 'redrawings'...

[Innagadadavida]

I never said his work lacked skill or effort, I simply asserted it was no better than the worse stuff Toei was putting out officially. For all the wonderful effort he placed into the animation it is still far from being good enough for broadcast.

Why don't you provide some reasoning for this line of thought. How is his artwork no better than the 'worse stuff Toei is putting out?' Show me some of this 'worse stuff' and better stuff and tell me why it's better, because I think you're just pulling this out of your ass.

[JulieYBM]

I never said his work lacked skill or effort, I simply asserted it was no better than the worse stuff Toei was putting out officially. For all the wonderful effort he placed into the animation it is still far from being good enough for broadcast.

Why don't you provide some reasoning for this line of thought. How is his artwork no better than the 'worse stuff Toei is putting out?' Show me some of this 'worse stuff' and better stuff and tell me why it's better, because I think you're just pulling this out of your ass.

Save for pretty impressive tail work (for an amateur) the animation is stiff and the models disproportionate with shading up the wazoo. The blood is sticks out and doesn't match the art style or the coloring style. If this was intercut with footage not redrawn it would stick out even more so without looking as if it were a stylish change of animation style.


But what do I know, I can't be bothered to go to animation and art school.

[Innagadadavida]

Save for pretty impressive tail work (for an amateur) the animation is stiff and the models disproportionate with shading up the wazoo. The blood is sticks out and doesn't match the art style or the coloring style. If this was intercut with footage not redrawn it would stick out even more so without looking as if it were a stylish change of animation style.


But what do I know, I can't be bothered to go to animation and art school.

What I mean to say is that it doesn't make much sense to me to be so critical of GogetaJr's work. Moreover expecting the same amount of quality work from him as you do a large corporation with lots of talent and resources available seems childish and unreasonable. He is just one guy who does a ton of quality Dragon Ball Z art without pay. I'm finding it hard to be anything but appreciative of him.

[JulieYBM]

Save for pretty impressive tail work (for an amateur) the animation is stiff and the models disproportionate with shading up the wazoo. The blood is sticks out and doesn't match the art style or the coloring style. If this was intercut with footage not redrawn it would stick out even more so without looking as if it were a stylish change of animation style.


But what do I know, I can't be bothered to go to animation and art school.

What I mean to say is that it doesn't make much sense to me to be so critical of GogetaJr's work. Moreover expecting the same amount of quality work from him as you do a large corporation with lots of talent and resources available seems childish and unreasonable. He is just one guy who does a ton of quality Dragon Ball Z art without pay. I'm finding it hard to be anything but appreciative of him.

If nobody is critical nobody will stive to earn true praise. I gave note of the man's efforts, however I am still not charmed to say much more than that.


Going back to the quote you initially quoted...my comparison doesn't really make too much sense in the first place as you can't improve the crap from Z by just tracing over the stuff in the first place. All it really does is make it...digitally drawn...poorly so.

Oh Toei, you and your cheapness...

[Innagadadavida]

If nobody is critical nobody will stive to earn true praise. I gave note of the man's efforts, however I am still not charmed to say much more than that.

I am aware that criticism is valuable to an artist. In no way did I even infer that you are not allowed, or unable to criticize GogetaJr's work. I'm simply stating that it's unnecessary and unreasonable to expect the same level of quality from a single unpaid fan as a very rich corporation with tons of equally talented staff members, funds, and resources. As such, different values and variables need to be considered when criticizing an individual's fan work. Don't make claims like "no better than Toei's worse," then act like you were offering valuable criticism. Constructive criticism includes reason and is usually stated directly toward the artist in question. You wouldn't criticize somebody on this forum for not writing intelligent prose or putting as much time and effort into their posts as Kunziut_83; why would you it's absolutely unnecessary and uncalled for to ask that of anybody. Well that's essentially what you're doing here. You're not being critical, you're being snobby and mean-spirited.

[ohaimynameiserik]

If nobody is critical nobody will stive to earn true praise. I gave note of the man's efforts, however I am still not charmed to say much more than that.

I am aware that criticism is valuable to an artist. In no way did I even infer that you are not allowed, or unable to criticize GogetaJr's work. I'm simply stating that it's unnecessary and unreasonable to expect the same level of quality from a single unpaid fan as a very rich corporation with tons of equally talented staff members, funds, and resources. As such, different values and variables need to be considered when criticizing an individual's fan work. Don't make claims like "no better than Toei's worse," then act like you were offering valuable criticism. Constructive criticism includes reason and is usually stated directly toward the artist in question. You wouldn't criticize somebody on this forum for not writing intelligent prose or putting as much time and effort into their posts as Kunziut_83; why would you it's absolutely unnecessary and uncalled for to ask that of anybody. Well that's essentially what you're doing here. You're not being critical, you're being snobby and mean-spirited.

pwnage off the charts!!

[Blue]

If nobody is critical nobody will stive to earn true praise. I gave note of the man's efforts, however I am still not charmed to say much more than that.

I am aware that criticism is valuable to an artist. In no way did I even infer that you are not allowed, or unable to criticize GogetaJr's work. I'm simply stating that it's unnecessary and unreasonable to expect the same level of quality from a single unpaid fan as a very rich corporation with tons of equally talented staff members, funds, and resources. As such, different values and variables need to be considered when criticizing an individual's fan work. Don't make claims like "no better than Toei's worse," then act like you were offering valuable criticism. Constructive criticism includes reason and is usually stated directly toward the artist in question. You wouldn't criticize somebody on this forum for not writing intelligent prose or putting as much time and effort into their posts as Kunziut_83; why would you it's absolutely unnecessary and uncalled for to ask that of anybody. Well that's essentially what you're doing here. You're not being critical, you're being snobby and mean-spirited.

pwnage off the charts!!

My God man, a 2 month old necro bump for that?

[Treklin]

holy neptune !

this looks simply amazing ... kai is nothing compared to this

[BobZ]

I'd be pretty orgasmic if Kai used the art style from the intro and the eyecatches throughout the whole series.
Of course, they would have to put a little more effort into it, because at times it does look horrible. For example, the final still shots from the opening and ending both have characters with humongous eye balls. That aside though, I've always wished DBZ to have only one art style throughout the series. Each one used in the original had its charm and some were worse or better than the rest, but they were too many in my opinion.

Unfortunately, I haven't read the manga (yet) and I thought that Akira only had one unique style he used, but seeing some snapshots here and there I realized otherwise. Which... I found strange for some reason. But I'll have to look more into it and probably post a new topic so it can be discussed more thoroughly.

[backthen]

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[jordanator]

NEW REFRESH IMAGE

Wow, if only Kai was done like that. Kai would look truly awesome with all of that detail. Except, it would probably cost a lot to do. Ah well, if only...

[Innagadadavida]

No cartoon has that level of detail in a single non-still frame. Not only would it cost millions more to make a drawing like that for every frame, but it would also look very awkward because it would be nearly impossible to maintain every scratch and line in place, in motion. No, not even hundred million dollar budget animated movies have that level of detail in a single frame. That's just a drawing.

[Makaioshin]

I too would rather them try to mimic the art style used in the comic than use the current style being used for games and such. Or it would be kinda cool if they got Toriyama to draw the characters now and use that as a reference instead. I'm not a fan of the current art style used for the franchise.

And no, I did not notice that conversation was from a year ago.

[samuraix123]

can someone give me the link to the site where those pics are at like gogeta jr site or summin

[Budogenkai]

No cartoon has that level of detail in a single non-still frame. Not only would it cost millions more to make a drawing like that for every frame, but it would also look very awkward because it would be nearly impossible to maintain every scratch and line in place, in motion. No, not even hundred million dollar budget animated movies have that level of detail in a single frame. That's just a drawing.

I don't think it would cost 's,
That may be a stretch.