Chi-chi during "Z"?

[Vernichter]

Does anybody else absolutely fucking hate her until the Buu saga?

I mean she's hot and all but almost every time she's in a scene, especially during the Freeza or Cell arcs, she's just annoying and bitchy. It may have been funny watching it the first time through, but now that I'm re-watching the series (thanks to the Dragon Boxes! ), I'm more annoyed than amused and can't wait to get to the next point or plot. Come to think of it, I feel the same way about Bulma most of the time also, except during her bathtub scenes or scientist laboratory scenes with her Pop.

It seems during the Buu arc, they're both a bit more fun and relaxed however. Especially Chi-chi, with her attitude towards Goten, and even telling Gohan to take time from school to train.

[Michsi]

I think the anime is a bit to blame for this one. They took her "bitchy" side and blew it a bit out of proportion.

[Eire]

I don't like her hysterical attitude, but taking things calmly she is quite reasonable.

From our POV is he just irritating cos she interrupts our guys' training, but we must accept her arguments as a mother. Like every woman she wants just best for her children- good education, job, money that can provide comfortable life. Risking life, even for the sake of misty "world's fate " isn't anyone's definition of happiness. Should she deal with the smile of things like kidnapping her child and providing for adult parasite for whom daily life is mere play?
Her POV might be interesting counterpart of our heroes' lifestyle, but like every good idea in DB it was turned into it's own caricature.

[SylentEcho]

She's not even half as irritating in the manga.

In the Japanese version I can still stand her in the Anime, but in the dub version her constant whiny, high pitched, spoilt kid like voice makes me want to pull out my hair!

[Piccolo Daimao]

The anime was the one that made her seem overly bitchy. In the manga, it's totally understandable that a mother would be crazy when her five-year-old son is kidnapped by her husband's demonic rival to be trained to fight planet-conquering Saiyans who killed aforementioned husband, and then aforementioned son goes on a two-month round-trip to another planet to revive said demonic rival. No wonder she didn't want Goku to train Gohan - Goku's a naive moron who got his son into the kind of life-threatening battles that no mother would want her son to get into. Chi-Chi's only portrayed as an annoying bitch because she's seen as getting in the way of Gohan's training, since the focus of the story at those points are training to defeat villains. But I actually feel sympathetic for her.

Although I don't like it when people talk about Goku being a bad husband because it was Chi-Chi's fault anyway. I know she was young and all, but still, you basically force some naive hick kid who doesn't even know what marriage is to marry you, and then expect him to be your dream husband?

[Eire]

Forced? She threatens him with anything?
They both were a pair of annoying teenagers. Chi-Chi made a mistake of thousands young woman around the world in all ages- fallen blindly in love and later believed that it can change her moron spouse into responsible men. Later her husband can fly around rescuing universe while she tries to maintain the state when he still have something worth fighting for. Nobody wants Goku to be dream husband (whatever it means) but just to deal with things that are everyday life for every reasonable husband and father.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Forced? She threatens him with anything?
They both were a pair of annoying teenagers. Chi-Chi made a mistake of thousands young woman around the world in all ages- fallen blindly in love and later believed that it can change her moron spouse into responsible men. Later her husband can fly around rescuing universe while she tries to maintain the state when he still have something worth fighting for. Nobody wants Goku to be dream husband (whatever it means) but just to deal with things that are everyday life for every reasonable husband and father.

OK, "forced" is the wrong word. Basically, not to blame her or anything, since she was only an 18-year-old who'd grown an infatuation with a kid she'd been in love with since they were prepubescent 12-year-olds, but it was her fault. Goku didn't even know the meaning of marriage and thought it was food, so he made a promise that he didn't know what the consequences were. But we know what Goku's like. He's a naive hick Saiyan battle addict, so you can't really expect him to be that good a husband and father.

[Michsi]

To be fair, you can't really say she is a role model mother either.
I mean she complains about Gohan doing stuff that isn't suited for kids but she made Gohan, a 4 year old, learn stuff that should be way beyond his comprehension. It gave me the impression that she even barely allowed him to go out and play.
The fact that she was so angry that Goku had made Gohan miss one day of preschool shows that her prioroties were little twisted too.

As for her marriage.
She should have known what she was getting into when 1. Goku didn't recognize her at all, 2. Goku didn't remember the promise he made her meaning he wasn't really looking forward to it.

[Piccolo Daimao]

To be fair, you can't really say she is a role model mother either.
I mean she complains about Gohan doing stuff that isn't suited for kids but she made Gohan, a 4 year old, learn stuff that should be way beyond his comprehension. It gave me the impression that she even barely allowed him to go out and play.
The fact that she was so angry that Goku had made Gohan miss one day of preschool shows that her prioroties were little twisted too.

As for her marriage.
She should have known what she was getting into when 1. Goku didn't recognize her at all, 2. Goku didn't remember the promise he made her meaning he wasn't really looking forward to it.

Well, in the manga, I didn't see anything that suggested that she was making Gohan learn stuff way beyond his comprehension. Although she probably was strict about Gohan's education, since Gohan was scared of Chi-Chi being mad at him for not doing his homework.

And yeah, with the marriage thing, she probably should've realized what she was getting into marrying a guy who didn't even understand what his promise meant. But she was 18, and she'd been infatuated with the guy since she was 12. But you can't expect Gohan to be a good husband.

[Eire]

There's a nice Polish proverb that says that just cows never changes. Goku actually does a bit- he financially secured his family and admit (OFC not verbally) that Gohan should study. In anniversary special he is seen even actually working. Did it really have to take so long time.

BTW I've always wondered if King Vegeta left any deposit for his son on Space Switzerland's account. Or Vegeta himself actually did some savings in Frieza's time. In the other case it means that pride of Saiyan's prince wasn't hurt by being a kept man.

[Piccolo Daimao]

There's a nice Polish proverb that says that just cows never changes. Goku actually does a bit- he financially secured his family and admit (OFC not verbally) that Gohan should study. In anniversary special he is seen even actually working. Did it really have to take so long time.

BTW I've always wondered if King Vegeta left any deposit for his son on Space Switzerland's account. Or Vegeta himself actually did some savings in Freeza's time. In the other case it means that pride of Saiyan's prince wasn't hurt by being a kept man.

I don't think Goku financially secured his family. He didn't take the 23rd TB prize money, since he set off on Kinto'un with Chi-Chi straight after the tournament. I think it was Gyu-mao that financially secured them, since, in the Boo arc, Chi-Chi mentions that her father's fortune was running out. It doesn't seem like Goku did anything but train. And we don't know whether or not the anniversary special is canon.

Raditz does say that Saiyans exterminate the natives of planets and sell them off to other races looking for living spaces, but who knows, the money could've gone straight to Freeza, rather than the Saiyans, who pretty much just get enjoyment out of killing people, so money may not be their priority. Maybe Vegeta kept some money from his time working under Freeza, but whether he did or not, it doesn't matter, since he just lives at Capsule Corporation out of convenience.

[CatouttaHell]

The only Arc I actually liked Chichi in was the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai Arc.

[Eire]

I'll check for extract phrase, but I remember "Money left by your father".
Edit: Right. Actually translator made Goku better father than he was. If you get his radishes away I'll lose the rest of sympathy I have for him.

You think that they allied with Frieza for "Thank you, man"? Is engineer, surgeon, teacher using his knowledge and abilities for pure satisfaction? I love the things I will do in my job, but without perspective of payment I'll receive I'd jack it in. Even if they enjoyed what they did they had to eat and wear something- enjoyment won't full your stomach. Maybe Frieza didn't made out invoices, but they had to set a kind of accounts.

[Michsi]

Well, in the manga, I didn't see anything that suggested that she was making Gohan learn stuff way beyond his comprehension. Although she probably was strict about Gohan's education, since Gohan was scared of Chi-Chi being mad at him for not doing his homework.

What I actually meant to say is that a kid shouldn't "study" at the age of 4. Viz text is something like "it's a competitive world and it's never too early to get an edge" and that made me believe that she was little more than just strict. Perhaps a bit obsessive?

As for Vegeta, he tinks so highly of himself and his royality he probably thinks it's his birthright to be provided for. Makes me wonder what he would've done had Bulma not been interested in him. Crashed at Roshi's and be Krillin's room mate ?

[Eire]

I think he could did what ha head done before- just self-employing himself.

I don't see anything strange in "studying" being 4. Don't kids learn how to read that age?

[Michsi]

I think he could did what ha head done before- just self-employing himself.

As what? I seriously can't imagine him working. Planet destroyer suited him, he is a saiyan after all but what on earth could he have done on earth.

I don't see anything strange in "studying" being 4. Don't kids learn how to read that age?

I think you learn to read at seven. And "studying" was in context with Chichi's statement which sorta implies Gohan was doing something more than just learning to read. Anyway, it's her attitude I was actually commenting.

[Eire]

As what? I seriously can't imagine him working. Planet destroyer suited him, he is a saiyan after all but what on earth could he have done on earth.

Steal spaceship and go away.

I think you learn to read at seven.

Seven? My Goddes, waiting so long to independent from parent's free time and will to read me Moomins? Yes, some kids do, giving the rest the opportunity to read whatever they want and seem to be prodigies. 4 year old kid is perfectly able to learn songs and poems by heart, try acting, swimming, sewing, observe world world and come to conclusions that will grant him better start at school.

[Michsi]

Steal spaceship and go away.

But he chose to stay on earth before he hooked up with Bulma.

Seven? My Goddes, waiting so long to independent from parent's free time and will to read me Moomins? Yes, some kids do, giving the rest the opportunity to read whatever they want and seem to be prodigies. 4 year old kid is perfectly able to learn songs and poems by heart, try acting, swimming, sewing, observe world world and come to conclusions that will grant him better start at school.

As I said I was commenting on Chichi's attitude and backing it up with that statement she made. At 4 years it still play learning and that doesn't seem to be the case with Gohan.

[Rocketman]

He's a naive hick Saiyan battle addict, so you can't really expect him to be that good a husband and father.

Vegeta grew up on the Saiyan homeworld, personally slaughtered billions and he's a better father than Goku.

I think you learn to read at seven.

Seven? Maybe if you're a stupid kid.

[Michsi]

Or maybe if you live in a country with a different eductional system. In my country the average age in which parents sent their kids to school is around six/seven and as far as I know you learn to read and write in the first grade not kindergarten.