Most overrated characters in terms of power?

[songohan619]

Turles and 100 % Power Freeza(in the anime).

[TheAmericanDream]

Isn't that fact that Kuririn is the strongest stated by Yamcha? How much stock can you put in that, it also brings into question that debate if Tenshinhan is an alien or not (not that Yamcha knows that). I always thought Ten vs Kuririn was an interesting debate anyway. I wanna say they're both overrated for different reasons, Kuririn because he just doesn't prove himself in the canon to be stronger really, and Tenshinhan because its never stated that he's the strongest (though he proves to be much more useful throughout the series and starts off much stronger)

I would also like to meet these circles of people who find Mr. Satan overrated? I do however seem to meet a lot of folks who think Videl is very powerful for a human, like on Muten Roshi or Yamcha's level. Which is preposterous.

[dbgtFO]

I would also like to meet these circles of people who find Mr. Satan overrated? I do however seem to meet a lot of folks who think Videl is very powerful for a human, like on Muten Roshi or Yamcha's level. Which is preposterous.

I think OP is referring to some debates over on Neoseeker, where some people argued Mr. Satan was stronger than Battle Power 10 Goku, because he won the Tenkaichi Budokai.

I too am of the opinion that there's no doubt Mr. Satan and Videl are pretty strong, but since they are from an era in Dragon Ball, where the "human level" is closer to the Real World compared to the "human level" of Early Dragon Ball, Goku ends up looking more impressive compared to Mr. Satan.
And using the Tenkaichi Budokai as proof of Satan being stronger than Goku really seems illogical to me. They wouldn't possibly know, if any of the guys participating were stronger than Goku anyways, so how would it prove anything other than Mr. Satan just being a strong Earthling?

[Cipher]

GT Goku, by far. The fact that some posts in this thread have already put him above Vegetto are totally indicative of how insane the whole discussion is. Nothing we see him do in the series implies any enormous leap, and the entire debate seems to pivot around one throwaway line about Rilldo.

[dbgtFO]

GT Goku, by far. The fact that some posts in this thread have already put him above Vegetto are totally indicative of how insane the whole discussion is. Nothing we see him do in the series implies any enormous leap, and the entire debate seems to pivot around one throwaway line about Rilldo.

I've never actually gotten to see the scene in context...
Wasn't he talking to someone, who hadn't sensed Pure Buu's ki?

[Cipher]

I've never actually gotten to see the scene in context...
Wasn't he talking to someone, who hadn't sensed Pure Buu's ki?

Goku senses Rilldo's ki and says it might be even stronger than Boo's. But he doesn't specify which Boo, and since nothing we ever see them do on screen indicates Goku somehow became hundreds of times more powerful between Z and GT, it's just ridiculous to read too much into it. Yet people cling to this one line (literally the only evidence of this) to make claims such as base GT Goku being stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku from the Boo arc, or being stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks. It's easily a thousand times more ridiculous than any other common power discussion in the fandom, Broly included.

[CatouttaHell]

Well he says Rild is even stronger than Boo and at the beginning of GT he's finished training Oob who should be as powerful as Chibi Boo and is equal to Base Goku. GT Base Goku = Chibi Boo is very possible. And since in the Anime Chibi Boo is stated to be >>> Boohan who is =< Base Vegetto, then Base Goku is > Base Vegetto at all as crazy as that might sound.

I would also like to meet these circles of people who find Mr. Satan overrated? I do however seem to meet a lot of folks who think Videl is very powerful for a human, like on Muten Roshi or Yamcha's level. Which is preposterous.

There's a bunch of people in other places, such as Neoseeker, who believe Mr. Satan is stronger than guys like Chibi Goku, Chapa-o, etc because he won a Tenkaichi Budokai and that Videl is above Tao Pai Pai and Roshi because she can fly. A smaller minority thinks Videl can fight guys like Raditz, Zarbon, and Base Goten (I've seen comparisons to all three from various people.)

[Cipher]

Oob who should be as powerful as Chibi Boo.

Why? What basis does this assumption have? When does regular human Oob ever do anything to demonstrate he's as powerful as pure Boo?

If you watched GT up through episode 18 without assuming (baselessly) that Oob is equal in power to pure Boo, skipped episode 18, and then watched the rest of the series, you would never even remotely think that base Goku was more powerful than he'd previously been as Super Saiyan 3. No one else ever says anything to indicate he is, and he preforms no displays of power to argue otherwise.

It just doesn't hold up, and it leads to the most absurd overpowering the series has ever seen. I'm not going to continue arguing against it, because it's been done to death in previous topics, but as a fairly regular viewer of GT, I'll always hold it as one of the most ridiculous interpretations of any part of the franchise.

[CatouttaHell]

Why? What basis does this assumption have? When does regular human Oob ever do anything to demonstrate he's as powerful as pure Boo?

I you watched GT up through episode 18 without assuming (baselessly) that Oob is equal in power to pure Boo, skipped episode 18, and then watched the rest of the series, you would never even remotely think that base Goku was more powerful than he'd previously been as Super Saiyan 3. No one else ever says anything to indicate he is, and he preforms no displays of power to argue otherwise.

It just doesn't hold up, and it leads to the most absurd overpowering the series has ever seen. I'm not going to continue arguing against it, because it's been done to death in previous topics, but as a fairly regular viewer of GT, I'll always hold it as one of the most ridiculous interpretations of any part of the franchise.

Oob is the reincarnation of Chibi Boo and Goku trained him to get him to be as powerful as Chibi Boo. Since Goku is done training him, then it's likely he reached Chibi Boo's level of power. And you have to take into account as well the fact that Base Gohan is implied to be >>> Mr. Boo in that scene where Mr. Boo flies off with Mr. Satan to get away from Baby and co and Base Gohan is about to blast him away before being stopped by Baby.

SSjin Gohan is 50x that power and Base Goku is >>> SSjin Gohan, which by my numbers puts Goku well over Vegetto's level.

[dbgtFO]

I've never actually gotten to see the scene in context...
Wasn't he talking to someone, who hadn't sensed Pure Buu's ki?

Goku senses Rilldo's ki and says it might be even stronger than Boo's. But he doesn't specify which Boo, and since nothing we ever see them do on screen indicates Goku somehow became hundreds of times more powerful between Z and GT, it's just ridiculous to read too much into it. Yet people cling to this one line (literally the only evidence of this) to make claims such as base GT Goku being stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Goku from the Boo arc, or being stronger than Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks. It's easily a thousand times more ridiculous than any other common power discussion in the fandom, Broly included.

I see. On the same note it seems to be fact to many people that Goku had to be referring to Pure Buu/Evil Buu(Gohan) Buu. This guy made a vid about Evil Buu(Gohan absorbed) vs. General Rildo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28u1yVrQ-Rs.
The music is way out of place and makes me take the whole idea far less serious, than what was probably intended.

[Rocketman]

GT uses video game logic, where base Gohan can defeat Fat Buu and Super Saiyan is a 10% increase.

[Fox666]

I would also like to meet these circles of people who find Mr. Satan overrated? I do however seem to meet a lot of folks who think Videl is very powerful for a human, like on Muten Roshi or Yamcha's level. Which is preposterous.

I think OP is referring to some debates over on Neoseeker, where some people argued Mr. Satan was stronger than Battle Power 10 Goku, because he won the Tenkaichi Budokai.

I too am of the opinion that there's no doubt Mr. Satan and Videl are pretty strong, but since they are from an era in Dragon Ball, where the "human level" is closer to the Real World compared to the "human level" of Early Dragon Ball, Goku ends up looking more impressive compared to Mr. Satan.
And using the Tenkaichi Budokai as proof of Satan being stronger than Goku really seems illogical to me. They wouldn't possibly know, if any of the guys participating were stronger than Goku anyways, so how would it prove anything other than Mr. Satan just being a strong Earthling?

I remember that some years ago the "list of power level" websites pointed Mr. Satan and Videl with very high values. Some used to give merely 4,000 but I have seen it going up to hundreds of millions.

[Zephyr]

I've never actually gotten to see the scene in context...
Wasn't he talking to someone, who hadn't sensed Pure Buu's ki?

Goku senses Rilldo's ki and says it might be even stronger than Boo's. But he doesn't specify which Boo

It could ultimately be taken as one of two ways:

One, Goku's referring to the Buu that he has spent more time with, the one who he has known for longer, and the only one he's seen for a decade since the Buu arc, the good Mr. Buu.

Or two, its Toei trying to say how strong a character is by having another character say he's stronger than the previous big bad, the evil Buu that Uub became.

If GT's to make any sense to me, I have to go with the first one.

[In Brightest Day]

First person to post any of main human fighters gets shot.

Well technically people already did lol.
But nitpicking aside...

Out of the Earthling Fighters, Tenshinhan is probably the most overrated. Krillin is the strongest Earthling, stated. This claim is never retracted or contradicted, so it doesn't matter how hard Tenshinhan trained, while Krillin sat on his ass, he still doesn't prove himself stronger in the Buu Arc.
(Puts on Bulletproof vest).

I was talking more comparatively with other races throughout the series. Like the (base) Saiyans and most of the random Space Aliens we see appear throughout the story.

Piccolo is horribly underrated at the Cell-Games too.

[CatouttaHell]

Piccolo is horribly underrated at the Cell-Games too.

I couldn't agree more. A lot of people nowadays think he's below the Base Saiya-jins and #16 at the Cell Games, which is just blatantly ignoring the manga if you ask me.

[DBZ Mick]

Broly, Gotenks.

[goldsaint13]

And since in the Anime Chibi Boo is stated to be >>> Boohan who is =< Base Vegetto

Boohan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chibi Boo...

Anime is screwed up sometimes, like when in the Hell Goku defeats Cell in base form while he had just died because he couldn't defeat Cell as a SSJ either...



Anyway, I wouldn't waste my time arguing on GT that is a total screw...


Goku reached his base form and SSJ limit pretty much during Cell's saga... He might have gotten a little better in Buu's saga, but his real power boost came only from SSJ2 and SSJ3...

Base Goku in GT is a total nonsense...

[Michsi]

Piccolo is horribly underrated at the Cell-Games too.

I couldn't agree more. A lot of people nowadays think he's below the Base Saiya-jins and #16 at the Cell Games, which is just blatantly ignoring the manga if you ask me.

Well tbh, I haven't actully seen that many ppl claiming this. I haven't been on many DB forums aside from this one lately, but it was only here that I encountered so many who believed Base Sayajin>Piccolo.

[CatouttaHell]

Well tbh, I haven't actully seen that many ppl claiming this. I haven't been on many DB forums aside from this one lately, but it was only here that I encountered so many who believed Base Sayajin>Piccolo.

There's way more Base Saiya-jins > Piccolo believers elsewhere, in places like Neoseeker. A large group of people over there even believe that Base Gotenks is > SSjin 3 Goku (which is the main reason I personally think Gotenks is maybe the most overrated character in the entire series.)

[Kirby456]

Well tbh, I haven't actully seen that many ppl claiming this. I haven't been on many DB forums aside from this one lately, but it was only here that I encountered so many who believed Base Sayajin>Piccolo.

There's way more Base Saiya-jins > Piccolo believers elsewhere, in places like Neoseeker. A large group of people over there even believe that Base Gotenks is > SSjin 3 Goku (which is the main reason I personally think Gotenks is maybe the most overrated character in the entire series.)

I agree man to a extent. On Neoseeker theres a ton and probably on other forums cant really verify that though. But i think overall most fans believe Piccolo>Base Saiyans. Like on this forum. And i just dont get Base Gotenks>SSJ3 Goku can someone explain the "logic" behind it?. Its also funny how much people underrate Piccolo during the Cell Games when its pretty clear hes close to Vegeta/Future Trunks based of my interpretation of the Manga/Anime. Also Tienshinhan is heavily underrated imo i dont see how hes under Krillin.