Future Androids and Gohan

[Malek86]

I was wondering, aren't the original androids looking a bit too strong?

In the altered timeline (where Goku is alive), Gohan trains in the RoSaT for a year, and manages to even surprise Cell with his power. In the original timeline, Gohan has presumably been training for the last 17 years, and still couldn't catch up with the androids?

Ok, he was missing an arm, and I guess training on earth is not as effective as in the RoSaT, but still... 17 years. Was there ever any explanation for this?

[Fox666]

Gohan was weaker in this time. Even as a Super Saiyan he couldn't handle no.17 using half of his power, who is weaker than the present no.17...

And that's not so surprising. I mean, just think what would have happened if Goku and Vegeta never travelled to Namek.

[Godo]

Goku and Vegeta thought about new ways to use the SSJ, to go beyond. That's why they got stronger.
Gohan didn't, most likely, so he didn't get much stronger.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I'm sure he had both arms during the majority of his encounters with the Androids. He only lost it in the battle he had with them a yr before he decided to face them again, after knocking Trunks out.

I just think due to Gohan being pretty weak, and lacking in sparring partners, he had no way to overcome the Androids. Training in the rosat is a really big deal.

[goldsaint13]

Gohan in the other timeline had to cover the gap with Goku first, not only turning SSJ...
He was not much stronger than 1 million as a kid and he had to train on Earth and reach slowly 3 millions like Goku had against Freezer... Then he turned SSJ but his 150 millions or so weren't enough... He was still an early SSJ with less spiked hairs and couldn't reach the level of the Androids, neither the future ones that are weaker...
Gohan has huge potential but without a master (neither Goku, nor Piccolo) that would have had also the role of a sparring partner and without the increased gravity, he wasted many years just to improve by a relative small amount...
Goku himself is not much stronger than he was against Freezer during the Androids saga... The early SSJ is limited and without the RoSaT they didn't have means to reach levels far beyond their actuals...

[Kroni_Hunter]

Gohan has shown to be incapabale of doing things himself in the entire series. When he is trained by others with experience he improves very quickly but if no one is around he just stays stagnant. Frankly I'm surprised he even reached SSJ all by himself. I think that without help any stage beyond that would have just been too much for him because he lacked the fighting insight and ki aptitude that Goku/Vegeta had.

[dbgtFO]

When he is trained by others with experience he improves very quickly but if no one is around he just stays stagnant.

Android arc Gohan contradicts this, unless you think he's way above Goku, Vegeta & Trunks' normal forms.

[goldsaint13]

Android saga Kid Gohan from the modified timeline is still relatively weak because he still had to fill the gap with Goku and the other SSJs... But he was ready to train into the RoSaT though... He should had reached the likes of 5 or 6 millions...

Anyway, while Gohan has the supreme inner strength, he lacks the fighter's insight that Goku has...

So the best is Gohan that trains up followed by his father... Because Goku is capable of drawing out Gohan's hidden potential, while Gohan alone can uneffectively train or not training at all and getting weaker...


In case Goku wouldn't have died against Cell, he would have trained Gohan further on possibly making him a super powerful SSJ3 with more or less the same power as his Ultimate form and with the capacity to obliterate Fat Buu in a second...

[Gabool The Wild]

He was still an early SSJ with less spiked hairs and couldn't reach the level of the Androids, neither the future ones that are weaker...

Because bigger, spikier hair is what always makes a difference.

Although, yeah I've got to agree with the main point here: Gohan never thought of trying to go past just SSJ, and training under normal conditions just doesn't cut it after a while. He didn't have any clue how to beat the Androids besides just getting stronger, and he just wasn't able to get that strong that quickly with the limited conditions put under him.

Though, I must inquire about something now that I think of it: Since Piccolo is dead at that time, so is Kami. I can't recall if Mr. Popo is still alive then or not, but what would happen if somebody just randomly walked into the RoSaT after Kami's passing? Does it even still work without a Kami of some sort? Could someone just get trapped in there forever on accident, since if Popo were gone there would be no one there to let them out?

[Nineteen]

I'd also think that the presence of the Androids would severely limit the opportunities Gohan had to train. After all, training in Dragonball Z is violent, explosive business, and because he couldn't sense their energy Gohan would never know when they were around. Better, I think, to train only when and where you can be absolutely sure that the Androids wouldn't notice you were blowing things up.