DBZ: Ultimate Blast/Tenkaichi (Pre-Release Discussion)

[Eddie]

This needs to be said. People, for the love of whatever deity you choose to worship grow the hell up. This is not the Ultimate Tenkaichi circle jerk thread. This is a discussion thread. People have every right to have complaints. There is no such thing as a perfect game and there never will be. If you can't deal with somebody saying negative things about something you like, you are too insecure to be on the internet. Hell, you're too insecure to lead anything resembling a healthy life. Critiques about creative works are the norm. Blind devotion to something and refusing to hear harsh words about it? Those are signs that you need to be more mature (or seek a trained professional to give you helpful tips on living in society).
Criticism is not only acceptable, it's a vital part of all creative works. If nobody ever discussed the things they didn't like about something, we would never have progress. Things (like Dragon Ball games) would never get better. Look at Raging Blast 1. That game had a terrible camera. People complained about it. In Raging Blast 2, the camera was a little bit better. Progress! People that refuse to criticise things that they don't like are not "true fans" that lead the way in their fandom. They're blind fanboys that add absolutely nothing to the creative process.

[ShinMassa]

This needs to be said. People, for the love of whatever deity you choose to worship grow the hell up. This is not the Ultimate Tenkaichi circle jerk thread. This is a discussion thread. People have every right to have complaints. There is no such thing as a perfect game and there never will be. If you can't deal with somebody saying negative things about something you like, you are too insecure to be on the internet. Hell, you're too insecure to lead anything resembling a healthy life. Critiques about creative works are the norm. Blind devotion to something and refusing to hear harsh words about it? Those are signs that you need to be more mature (or seek a trained professional to give you helpful tips on living in society).
Criticism is not only acceptable, it's a vital part of all creative works. If nobody ever discussed the things they didn't like about something, we would never have progress. Things (like Dragon Ball games) would never get better. Look at Raging Blast 1. That game had a terrible camera. People complained about it. In Raging Blast 2, the camera was a little bit better. Progress! People that refuse to criticise things that they don't like are not "true fans" that lead the way in their fandom. They're blind fanboys that add absolutely nothing to the creative process.

But you have some people here criticizing pointless things and expecting things they shouldn't be. They're expecting more from a DragonBall game than a triple A title.

[Eddie]

But you have some people here criticizing pointless things and expecting things they shouldn't be. They're expecting more from a DragonBall game than a triple A title.

I'm not seeing much in the way of unreasonable complaints, to be honest. There are a select few people here that will gripe about everything DBZ simulator related, sure, but most of the recent complaints are reasonable. They're not priorities for some people, but they aren't that unfair. I really enjoy Raging Blast 2 (I'm actually probably one of the biggest "DBZ simulator" fans here), but I can acknowledge its flaws. There clearly is not much effort put into the character models. Certain character combinations cause a great deal of lag, even on local multiplayer. The dubtitles create a few inaccuracies that are absolutely terrible. That doesn't mean that the game doesn't make me feel something resembling joy. In fact, I played the game yesterday. I plan on playing tomorrow. I just want to see the games become something truly amazing.

[goku the krump dancer]

I hope that the Create a Character lets your character to not only be able to transform but also be allowed to choose the transformation animation. If so then I'd deffinantly make King Cold and give him atleast two transformations and if we're able to change the color of attacks then I'd give him a purpleish black version of Coola's Super Nova as an ultimate for his second/final transformation, aww man I think that'll look so awsome! Man hopfully this CaC (if its in this game) is done right, I have som many ideas I just hope Spike doesnt drop the ball with this. I'd also try my hand at creating Xicor(yeah I know), Ize(uh huh) and probably Super Android 18 just for shits and giggles. As for non-Dragon Ball characters i'd deffinantly try to make Link and maybe Akuma.

[MajinUchiha]

You know..since MOST of you are all just talking BS about stupid little stuff, why doesnt someone just talk about the game instead of talking about your opinion..
The world is made up of opinions. How do you want to talk about something without your opinion especially if you are a consumer of some sort?!

well YOUR PUNY DEMANDS for new models & what not, its impossible to please you guys, most of you act like Star Wars/Lord of the Rings super raging nerds, if someone doesnt like DBZ Ultimate Tenkaichi & doesnt plan on buying/renting it, then dont spend your life trashing this awesome looking game & stop fighting each other, stop the BS complaining about minimal non important stuff, you dont like the "re-used" models? then simple, just dont look at it, go play something else! I Dont see the same models, clearly the are updated & look more cool then ever before, they even have sweat for god's sake!
Whon are you to decide what the "non important stuff" for someone is? Everyone has different expectations and hopes for a game and seeing as Spike changes millions of things from game to game (good or bad) it's up to everyone's own imagination what is important or not. And besides, I don't know where anyone here has "trashed" the game. From what I'm used to here is people expressing their opinions and expectations about the games, be it maybe a little harsher than somewhere else.

You guys think its easy to make games?
That is irrelevant. I don't think you would not complain if your newly bought flat plasma TV had some scars on its display or any other defects. You would just "shut the hell up" and be okay with it and not express your frustration, right? Would you expect someone else to say to your face that you should manufacture it yourself then? I don't think so.

...if you dont like the game even though we havent seen nothing yet about the full pontential about the game then dont get it, dont talk about it & dont trash it,
Subjective impressions and the history of Spike in relation to their DB games can shape the bigger picture differently. Therefore more diverse apprehensions can form.

many like me like it, I'm ready for this game, i dont care if its "reused"
That's perfectly fine and I'm happy for you that you can look at it like that.

shut up & open your eyes, dont expect to get all the things you desire, cause you wont, it doenst work like that, go complain to mom, cry me a river or shut the hell up, go to a university, become a game developer, get a job at Namco & make the "perfect" DBZ game.
Are you the messiah that goes around telling people what to think about everything, everyone is talking about as of late?

NOW BASH ME, I'm WAITING, BAN ME IF YOU WANT, I DONT CARE, I HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DO BESIDES BEING HERE & SEEING LITTLE SPOILED ADULTS (ASSUMING ALL OF YOU ARE) CRYING & FIGHTING.
Right now I only see one person crying here because other's have a different opinion than him.

Ok enough offtopic for crying out loud.

Lol, i am civilized, you guys are not (MOST), you dont realise it & yes that was a sort of rant but I'm not mad, just tired of seeing ridiculous arguments that dont make sense.

I Watch these forums from afar, i step in when i see sometime that isnt right, i get you guys want things & have a right to complain but its getting out of control.

Just what i expected, I'm not even going to reply to that, its useless. i dont know why i even bother. hahahahaha ok men keep going at it! ill just be happy waiting for october 25th, get my game & play the hell out of it, you guys can keep "discussing" & keep fighting....which in the end doesnt help nobody, so long!

[Eddie]

I hope that the Create a Character lets your character to not only be able to transform but also be allowed to choose the transformation animation. If so then I'd deffinantly make King Cold and give him atleast two transformations and if we're able to change the color of attacks then I'd give him a purpleish black version of Coola's Super Nova as an ultimate for his second/final transformation, aww man I think that'll look so awsome! Man hopfully this CaC (if its in this game) is done right, I have som many ideas I just hope Spike doesnt drop the ball with this. I'd also try my hand at creating Xicor(yeah I know), Ize(uh huh) and probably Super Android 18 just for shits and giggles. As for non-Dragon Ball characters i'd deffinantly try to make Link and maybe Akuma.

Assuming that the Create a Character doesn't suck. Good Create a Character's are intriguing, but most of them... eh, have you played Mortal Kombat Armageddon? If a decent character creation option does come along, though, I'll use the heck out of it. If I could make a decent Gotan I'd like it.

[Saimaroimaru]

This needs to be said. People, for the love of whatever deity you choose to worship grow the hell up. This is not the Ultimate Tenkaichi circle jerk thread. This is a discussion thread. People have every right to have complaints. There is no such thing as a perfect game and there never will be. If you can't deal with somebody saying negative things about something you like, you are too insecure to be on the internet. Hell, you're too insecure to lead anything resembling a healthy life. Critiques about creative works are the norm. Blind devotion to something and refusing to hear harsh words about it? Those are signs that you need to be more mature (or seek a trained professional to give you helpful tips on living in society).
Criticism is not only acceptable, it's a vital part of all creative works. If nobody ever discussed the things they didn't like about something, we would never have progress. Things (like Dragon Ball games) would never get better. Look at Raging Blast 1. That game had a terrible camera. People complained about it. In Raging Blast 2, the camera was a little bit better. Progress! People that refuse to criticise things that they don't like are not "true fans" that lead the way in their fandom. They're blind fanboys that add absolutely nothing to the creative process.

Please lets not throw around the idea of "true fans". It just as bad as "elitist".

[ShinMassa]

This needs to be said. People, for the love of whatever deity you choose to worship grow the hell up. This is not the Ultimate Tenkaichi circle jerk thread. This is a discussion thread. People have every right to have complaints. There is no such thing as a perfect game and there never will be. If you can't deal with somebody saying negative things about something you like, you are too insecure to be on the internet. Hell, you're too insecure to lead anything resembling a healthy life. Critiques about creative works are the norm. Blind devotion to something and refusing to hear harsh words about it? Those are signs that you need to be more mature (or seek a trained professional to give you helpful tips on living in society).
Criticism is not only acceptable, it's a vital part of all creative works. If nobody ever discussed the things they didn't like about something, we would never have progress. Things (like Dragon Ball games) would never get better. Look at Raging Blast 1. That game had a terrible camera. People complained about it. In Raging Blast 2, the camera was a little bit better. Progress! People that refuse to criticise things that they don't like are not "true fans" that lead the way in their fandom. They're blind fanboys that add absolutely nothing to the creative process.

Please lets not throw around the idea of "true fans". It just as bad as "elitist".

By your logic, yes.

I think we should drop the subject now. Everyone is just getting mad at each other.

And Eddie, really liked your second post.

[Titan]

This needs to be said. People, for the love of whatever deity you choose to worship grow the hell up. This is not the Ultimate Tenkaichi circle jerk thread. This is a discussion thread. People have every right to have complaints. There is no such thing as a perfect game and there never will be. If you can't deal with somebody saying negative things about something you like, you are too insecure to be on the internet. Hell, you're too insecure to lead anything resembling a healthy life. Critiques about creative works are the norm. Blind devotion to something and refusing to hear harsh words about it? Those are signs that you need to be more mature (or seek a trained professional to give you helpful tips on living in society).
Criticism is not only acceptable, it's a vital part of all creative works. If nobody ever discussed the things they didn't like about something, we would never have progress. Things (like Dragon Ball games) would never get better. Look at Raging Blast 1. That game had a terrible camera. People complained about it. In Raging Blast 2, the camera was a little bit better. Progress! People that refuse to criticise things that they don't like are not "true fans" that lead the way in their fandom. They're blind fanboys that add absolutely nothing to the creative process.

Well said!
Exactly what i think or else we would be obedient brainless slaves.Critiques made mankind progress.
There is a reason why there are specialists in every area to judge new things.
If some of you hate discussing and criticizing on discussion boards so much... what about stop reading?I hate these "if you don't like it leave it" arguments.Typical from someone without any argument.

[Rostir]

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There have been around 10 different Dragon Ball Z fighting games released for game consoles at 6th generation, since 2002, by different companies and divisions. We have been fed trailer after trailer, every year, with the company announcing, "X" amount of brand new, never before seen characters just about every single time, "brand new" fighting mechanics, an "all-new" engaging story mode, etc. The fighting system for Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 3, and Budokai 3, have been scrapped, and then dumbed down in Raging Blast, and Burst Limit. Every single new series of fighting games, resets what the last game did, and then adds in a few new things that little to no one cares about.

I cannot ignore that there have been around 10 games to come out since 2002, and the series as a whole hasn't really made any progression. Dragon Ball Z: Ultimate Tenkaichi, deserves little slack, very little slack for what the series has been in the past. I've had enough of seeing a new Dragon Ball Z game be announced in the middle of the summer, see trailers, and then the game comes out, and it ends up being subpar. Some people in this thread are cutting too much slack here, it's almost as if you had hired a chef for a party, and you asked him to make you a cheeseburger, the first time he cooks one, the burger is fine, but the grease he used to cook it was terrible. So then, you tell the man to use better grease next time. At the next party, he chooses fresh grease, but by accident he puts rotten cheese on your burger. You then exclaim that the burger was prepared fine, but the cheese was rotten, and that you would prefer fresh cheese next time. At the next party, next year, he makes the same burger perfectly, but completely takes out the cheese, and cooks you a turkey burger as opposed to using beef like the last two times. You get angry that he keeps coming up short, and that each burger is good, but something is missing. Of course the burger analogy is not the best, but the idea is clear.

This is what is happening to this series, you cannot tell me, that the criticism for Ultimate Tenkaichi is unjustified. As consumers, we have put our faith in Spike, once again, to make an enjoyable Dragon Ball Z experience, and just not something subpar. Please try to see it from our side of the fence before putting everyone in a negative box.

[mckeg]

Someone made a comment about trying to make games in 2011? This is something off topic but also kinda relevant.

For better or worse, a large portion of up comming games will have shorter dev cycles, the reason? The mobile game market.

Spike kinda seem to have a 1 year dev cycle routine, this is expected to become more the average. a lot of people are doing shorter and cheaper dev cycles for mobile games instead of trying to crack the expensive console market. A non physical (digital) distribution further entices them.

We will always (hopefully) have big console games & AAA class titles, but the mobile game market has bitten a big chunk outta the arse of the console market. Not so much just the amount of sales but our time and attention too. Now the traditional devs and publishers are a little scared about time and effort (money) VS reward.

[LeprikanGT]

By mobile, I'm assuming you mean like android/iphone games; and while those games can be fun and novel; I don't see them EVER being a serious threat to consoles. In the matter of anything DBZ wise, it would be almost impossible to have a DBZ game on a phone as you NEED buttons and the iphone just wouldnt cut it, and I'm sure developers aren't going to make qwerty keyboard specific games.


We REALLY need some more news on this game, the last 3 pages have been everyone rambling but not really saying much.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

You know..since MOST of you are all just talking BS about stupid little stuff, why doesnt someone just talk about the game instead of talking about your opinion..well YOUR PUNY DEMANDS for new models & what not, its impossible to please you guys, most of you act like Star Wars/Lord of the Rings super raging nerds, if someone doesnt like DBZ Ultimate Tenkaichi & doesnt plan on buying/renting it, then dont spend your life trashing this awesome looking game

For one, it's called an opinion. We, as well as you are allowed to have one. Second, with all do respect, you did decide to sign up to this forum and talk with us. If you don't like our opinions on the subject. If I, or anyone else is bugging you then you don't have to be here. Just like we don't have to talk about this game. And yet, here we are.

You guys think its easy to make games? if you think you can do better then why dont you make your own company & make your own Dragonball game

I'm currently working on it, Just give me two more years(maybe less if I do more then 4 classes). Since this is Spike's last game, I think I'll have an easier time getting the rights too.

its not easy to take 2 years for development, you guys want precious time put into this game, you think that its that easy to say "hey we are going to make a dragonball game, can we work on it for 5 years?" NO! do you guys know how things ACTUALLY work in the game industry, especially right now in 2011? where games are a demand, thats why COD has a yearly release

No that's not the reason CoD comes out every year. It's actually because Kotick and the rest of Activision want to milk that franchise for all it's worth...just like they do every other franchise they own(ed). As for the 2 year thing, no it's not easy but the time and money invested are well worth it. And even in this high demand era of 2011, countless studios have taken 2 years+ to make there games. here are some examples:

Halo 3 came out in 2007; followed by Reach in 2010(that's 3 years...2 if you are counting Wars)

Uncharted 2 came out in 2009; followed by Uncharted 3 this year(that's two years)

Zelda:Twilight Princess came out in 2006; Skyward Swords comes out this year(5 years later)

These are the big dogs of course, but it should be noted that Bungi(was) and Nauty Dog are independent of Microsoft and Sony respectfully; it should be also noted that these are really their only franchises for this generation.

Again, those are the big guys but I can list a whole load of games teams and developers who take more than a year off, but it would be off topic.

you guys dont know the contract duties that Spike has to put up with, so if you dont know (I'm not saying that i know but i know that it mustn't be as easy as you think) if you dont actually know then dont talk like you do, talk if you actually work at Spike/NamcoBandai, only then you'll be able to say something, again if you say "we have a right to demand things, we as a consumer!" cut the crap we are all people that get 60 bucks somehow

I have nothing against Spike, if I do have something against someone it would be Namco-Bandai. However that doesn't mean I(or anyone else) doesn't have rights as a consumer, or that we don't have the rights as humans to speak our minds. I understand that these are normal people working on this game. I understand that they have a family and life that depends on this game for them to eat, but at the end of the day so do I(well a job that I depend on that is). I'm not going to spend hard earned money on something I don't feel deserves it. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean I'm not willing to GIVE THEM MY MONEY. We are on a Dragonball forum for crying out loud. I'm sure everyone in here is more then willing to throw money at Namco-Bandi but only when the product meets their needs.

NOW BASH ME, I'm WAITING, BAN ME IF YOU WANT, I DONT CARE, I HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DO BESIDES BEING HERE & SEEING LITTLE SPOILED ADULTS (ASSUMING ALL OF YOU ARE) CRYING & FIGHTING.

I'll toss my rusty cent into this puty fight going on here, seeing the huge ki blast colliding in this game, i wish the gave the kamehame ha wave, its real roaring sound from the game, it made it feel powerful, i havent heard that sound in a game in a long time, maybe they wont put it in the game but that wont stop me from buying the game & make me cry & complain about it here nor elsewhere.

Again, no one is forcing you to be here on this forum. You have every right as an individual to get up and leave. Go do those more useful things of yours. This forum's opinion shouldn' t effect you in anyway shape or form. You want to play your game, go fucking play it.

[VegettoEX]

OK, that's just about enough of that.

I don't know where some of you newer faces come from, but way you seem to want to act and treat your fellow fans is everything the culture here on this forum is *not*. You agreed to a certain set of rules prior to your registration here. If you cannot or are unwilling to type properly and conduct yourself with humility and respect for everyone else, this is not the place for you.

Is someone (whether it's me or anyone else) saying something that's "wrong" about the gaming industry or how games are actually programmed? Did we miss something about the development of this game or prior games? Is there new information about this game to contribute that may spawn a new and interesting conversation? That's cool -- enlighten us. Share your knowledge. Make the world a better place by contributing a helpful and illuminating post.

If, however, you don't actually have anything to say -- then you have nothing to say.

From here on out, all free warnings are off the table. Users that continue to play the victim or lash out inappropriately with nonconstructive posts and haughty attitudes will have action taken against their accounts, up through and including termination. For some of you, that doesn't seem like it is even a "threat", so I wonder why you bothered to sign up and contribute in the first place.

Either you need us, or you don't. Figure out which it is, and decide how you want to represent yourself as a person in this community.

[goku the krump dancer]

I hope that the Create a Character lets your character to not only be able to transform but also be allowed to choose the transformation animation. If so then I'd deffinantly make King Cold and give him atleast two transformations and if we're able to change the color of attacks then I'd give him a purpleish black version of Coola's Super Nova as an ultimate for his second/final transformation, aww man I think that'll look so awsome! Man hopfully this CaC (if its in this game) is done right, I have som many ideas I just hope Spike doesnt drop the ball with this. I'd also try my hand at creating Xicor(yeah I know), Ize(uh huh) and probably Super Android 18 just for shits and giggles. As for non-Dragon Ball characters i'd deffinantly try to make Link and maybe Akuma.

Assuming that the Create a Character doesn't suck. Good Create a Character's are intriguing, but most of them... eh, have you played Mortal Kombat Armageddon? If a decent character creation option does come along, though, I'll use the heck out of it. If I could make a decent Gotan I'd like it.

(Huge MK fan btw but) Yeah I've played and still own Armageddon, and I know how asstastic the Kreate a Fighter and Kreate a Fatality was , it had potential though but then again I dont think Mortal Kombat is the type of fighting game franchise that really needs a create a fighter feature. I've also played Soul Calibur 3 and 4, I played most of the Smackdown Vs Raw games and I also played Saints Row 2. If we're lucky then Spike's CaC would atleast be half as good as SDvsRaw's.

I'm hoping for something better but heres what I'm expecting from Spike's CaC feature for this game: Trunks' hair, Vegeta's face, Yamcha's scar and a white and black version of Goku's Gi. As for fighting style this he plays like Freeza so even though he doesnt have a tail he's still doing animations that resemble a tail whip and its still taking health from the opponent.

[ShinMassa]

Does anybody have any estimates to when we get some new info? I know we won't get any scans until next month.

[Arique]

Does anybody have any estimates to when we get some new info? I know we won't get any scans until next month.

I would assume that we will get a crap-ton of new info next week, mainly due to Comic-Con taking place and all.

[ShinMassa]

Does anybody have any estimates to when we get some new info? I know we won't get any scans until next month.

I would assume that we will get a crap-ton of new info next week, mainly due to Comic-Con taking place and all.

Right. Forgot about that.
I'm expecting a long trailer. I missed those.

[goku the krump dancer]

If Namco Bandai is present at the Convention, I hope they show off some GT stuff and announce if CaC is actually in the game then give us details and what not of course.

[NECPS]

We should not go too far with the Create a Figther ..
If it comes true .. it will only be the first time ever in a DBZ ...

Boy it should be, already, pretty awsome to customize the size of the character,
the eyes, the hair (bald, goku hair, vegeta hair, trunks hair etc..)
and the vest... gi, saiyajin armor, tsufurujin armor, jacket, city clothes.....
aaaaaaand if it is an alien .. green namekuzeijin rlz!