Why didn't Pan go SSJ?

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Neither did Trunks and Goten.

The Daizenshuu says this:

The tailless second generation are super ultra child prodigies.
Saiyan genes have an extraordinarily good compatibility with Earthling blood. Because of this, when the two races are mixed together children with formidable power are born. Particularly, those Halflings born without tails hide an exceptional battle power. There are many things that they naturally master from a young age, such as the ordinarily arduous transformation into a Super Saiyan. In spite of having such an outstanding battle sense, they do not have a fondness for battle like a pure Saiyan. Instead, it seems that the violent temperament of the Saiyan has been relaxed through their Earthling blood.

http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz04.php?m=02&id=race#link
Also, Toriyama als said once that Trunks and Goten were born without tails.

[DanielGClapp]

Ah, I see. Although it seems like it was written after the manga and is a sort of cop out.

[Fox666]

I wonder, I don't think Toriyama would have in mind that Bulma or Chi-chi actually brutally cut out the tail of their children. Especially considering Chi-chi left Gohan's tail and neither know about the Oozaru transformation. In Trunks case, would Vegeta prefer that way since he managed to control his own form?

[Nazi Cola]

Can you provide the link where Toriyama says they were born without tails?

[Bussani]

Can you provide the link where Toriyama says they were born without tails?

F: Why don't Goten and Trunks have tails?
T: It seams that tails are a recessive genetic trait.

[Nazi Cola]

Thanks. That figures.

[Eire]

It seems that someone missed biology class
Or maybe Chi-Chi had Saiyan ancestor.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

It seems that someone missed biology class
Or maybe Chi-Chi had Saiyan ancestor.

Well, as I said before, the Daizenshuu expend this to a more logical way, and basicaly it claims that Half-Saiyans/Humans will either be born with a tail, or without a tail. If you will be born with a tail, like Gohan, you will be born with extraordinary battle power, and with a huge power potential. If you will be born without a tail, like Goten and Trunks (and maybe Bra?), you will have even more extraordinary power and you will have the ability to transform into a SSJ at a very young age.

[hleV]

• the father has brown eyes;
• the mother has blue eyes;
• the child gets either brown or blue eyes.

• the father has tail;
• the mother has no tail;
• the child either has tail or not.

I can see sense in this. At least that DB could follow.

[Eire]

Wrong.
Firstly-eye colours heredity is more complicated. Actually brown tends to be dominating, but not totally.
Secondly- The recessive trait is, for example reddish hair. To be revealed it needs two recessive alleles (hh).
So Goku (and Sayians) must have all just recessive alleles (tt).
Humans have no tails (even if so- they are a result of other genetic problem). So they have all dominative genetics (TT). If human population at all had mixed genotype (Tt), roughly about 25% would be born with long, furry tails.

[Bussani]

• the father has brown eyes;
• the mother has blue eyes;
• the child gets either brown or blue eyes.

• the father has tail;
• the mother has no tail;
• the child either has tail or not.

It doesn't work that way in real life. A father with brown eyes and a mother with blue eyes can produce a child with green eyes if they carry the right recessive genes. But genetics can work however they want in fiction, I guess.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Sorry, what I meant was GT doesn't make a whole lot of sense as it is.

But Pan not becoming a Super Saiyan isn't something that doesn't make sense. There's nothing that says "Pan must be able to transform into a Super Saiyan". An in-universe explanation could be simply be the fact that she's female.

Which sounds a bit sexist, implying that females are weaker, or incapable. (not calling you a sexist, just saying the idea sort of is)

So without taking the female factor into account, she should have been able to transform, if Goku and Vegeta Jr. could. And that's where it doesn't make sense.

I knew someone was going to bring up sexism here.

All I was saying is that all the Super Saiyans we're shown in the series are male, and that, since males and females are physically and biologically different, it could be that only male Saiyans could become Super Saiyans.

But obviously, that theory has been shot down, so it doesn't matter anymore.

[DBZGTKOSDH]

Wrong.
Firstly-eye colours heredity is more complicated. Actually brown tends to be dominating, but not totally.
Secondly- The recessive trait is, for example reddish hair. To be revealed it needs two recessive alleles (hh).
So Goku (and Sayians) must have all just recessive alleles (tt).
Humans have no tails (even if so- they are a result of other genetic problem). So they have all dominative genetics (TT). If human population at all had mixed genotype (Tt), roughly about 25% would be born with long, furry tails.

Eeeeh... Guys, this is Dragon Ball, it's fiction, the author could make Saiyan hybrids with no dicks if he wanted, and even ifyou think it that way, this goes for humans, we don't know the biological things about Saiyans. The fact that they look like humans doesn't mean that they have human standards (super smell, bulletproof skin, huge power, Oozaru, Super Saiyan, tail, larger appetite than a lion, etc)

[Fox666]

Humans have no tails (even if so- they are a result of other genetic problem). So they have all dominative genetics (TT). If human population at all had mixed genotype (Tt), roughly about 25% would be born with long, furry tails.

I suppose that earthlings have the gene, however don't display the traits? Or is it a conjuction of genes? No idea.

[Eire]

Eeeeh... Guys, this is Dragon Ball, it's fiction

written by guy who had no idea about how the genetic works, but decided to throw random word (thinking that nobody notice the difference)?
He could leave this with no comment, admit that he forget, make a quick research (for example quantitative genetics would fit it better). Writing fiction is no excuse foe making mistakes. Of course he could consider that Sayians have completely different biology and describe it before someone points nonsenses, but mangakas who had enough skills and knowledge to make that reliable are rare flowers.

[Fox666]

Aren't you taking it a little too serious? It's not like it matters in a universe which humans can hybridize with animals, and especially when we are talking about hybrids of humans with aliens.

[Eire]

Really? It was taught on 5th grade.
I hate plain "did-no-research" cases, especially when author has no clue that he is talking nonsenses and want me to believe. What annoys me even more is the people tends to believe what author says without second thought.

[The Time Traveller]

Pan isn't Goku so they probably didn't give a shit.

[Travis Touchdown]

I wonder, I don't think Toriyama would have in mind that Bulma or Chi-chi actually brutally cut out the tail of their children. Especially considering Chi-chi left Gohan's tail and neither know about the Oozaru transformation. In Trunks case, would Vegeta prefer that way since he managed to control his own form?

I don't think they would've cut off their tails either. It would've been redundant anyway since, in the case of Goku & Gohan, tails grow back a lot during childhood and stop sometime in your teens.

[Fox666]

Actually Vegeta mentioned in planet Freeza no.79 that his tail would grow back. I suppose they avoided seeing the moon since then. But I remember that Toriyama answered in an interview that they don't need the tail anymore since they are strong enough now.